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September Effect
by Sean Donelan 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

Mother's day is the busiest day for the U.S. voice telephone network. The Friday after Thanksgiving is the busiest day for U.S. public libraries. U.S. electrical demand forecast increased 3% this summer compared to last year. The movie Titanic reach $600 million dollars domestic box office last weekend. The Internet has the September effect, maybe. Generally the previous numbers come from self-reported numbers from companies in the various industries. The NSFNET used to report total traffic growth. After the NSFNET was shutdown, the NAPs reported aggregate traffic at those points. Although there are obvious problems with any single point measurements of the Internet, they did give everyone a gross starting point. Much of our collective notion about the hyper-growth of the Internet came from these numbers. But if you look at the public numbers for Internet traffic, its still growing but at a slower rate. So what is going on? Internet growth has slowed. Internet growth is being constrained by some factor. If you add up the numbers at the NAPs, there is currently no single backbone in existence able to carry the entire Internet load. Even the new OC-48 networks announced by AGIS and Sprint are too small. Internet growth continues at its previous rate, but the public measurements no longer capture it. Do overall measurements of the Internet serve any useful purpose either for network engineering or investor information. Most other industries report various quantitative metrics on a regular basis. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US) (http://www.saic.com/career/jobs/c5
by Tim Salo 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:17:20 -0700 > From: owen(a)DeLong.SJ.CA.US (Owen DeLong) > To: nanog(a)merit.edu, salo(a)networkcs.com > Subject: Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US) (http://www.saic.com/career/jobs/c5 > [...] > Under both common law and various federal regulations, NSI has posession > of that data because of a federal contract supported and (previously) > paid for by taxpayers. As such, at least that much of the data is, by > law, in the public domain. ... > [...] Thank you for summarizing one of the great myths about Federal contracting. Your statement is, in general, false. Intellectual property developed under federal contracts is, in general, _not_ public domain. In general, the intellectual property developed under federal contracts is owned by the contractor, although the government has broad rights to the data. See for example: o NSF General Grant Conditions (GC-1) http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1998/nsf98gc1a/nsf98gc1a.txt Including sections: 17. Information Collection 18. Copyrightable Material 21. Patent Rights o NSF Grant Policy Manual (95-26) Including sections: 730 Intellectual Property 731 Patent and Inventions 731.1 Background 731.2 National Science Foundation Patent Policy 731.3 Standard Patent Rights Clause 732 Copyright 732.1 Rights to Copyrightable Material 732.2 Standard Copyrightable Material Clause 733 Special Patent and Copyright Situations 733.1 Special Grant Provisions 733.2 Grants Not Primarily for Research 733.3 Grants Affected by International Agreements 734 Dissemination and Sharing of Research Results 735 Tangible Property 735.1 Background 735.2 Legal Rights to Tangible Property o Federal Acquisition Regulations http://farsite.hill.af.mil/ Particularly: Part 27 - Patents, Data, and Copyrights The first sentence of the following quote from the FARs may help explain the motivation for this approach. 27.404 Basic Rights in Data Clause. (f) Copyrighted Data.--(1) Data First Produced in the Performance of a Contract. (i) In order to enhance the transfer or dissemination of information produced at Government expense, contractors are normally authorized, without prior approval of the contracting officer, to establish claim to copyright subsisting in technical or scientific articles based on or containing data first produced in the performance of work under a contract containing the clause at 52.227-14, Rights in Data--General and published in academic, technical or professional journals, symposia proceedings and similar works. ... -tjs

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Re: Domain fees to rise...
by Jim Fleming 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Gordon Cook <cook(a)cookreport.com> <snip> > >>It is unclear why Neal Lane was moved, but letters >>from him about Linda Sundro's activities show that >>he was not cooperative with her attempts to figure >>out what was going on. > >What his lack of cooperation shows is that Lane understood the legislative >manadate of NSF was not to become a tax collection agency. > For the record...Gordon confirms that Linda Sundro did not know what she was doing. Gordon does not mention where she obtained her information that she used to develop her misguided plan. Gordon also does not address the fact that Neal Lane was not helpful to Linda Sundro to get it right. Gordon seems to imply that left to his own decision-making Neal Lane would get it right. Gordon fails to point out that Neal Lane WAS the one making the decisions, not Linda Sundro. I suppose this means that Gordon is happy with the decisions that were made and is now more happy that Neal Lane, the decision-maker had moved to the White House to continue making decisions. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+@---<IPv8>---C+@---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm

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Re: Domain fees to rise...
by Jim Fleming 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Gordon Cook <cook(a)cookreport.com> <snip> > >>Recently, the Director of the NSF has been replaced. >>The former Director, Neal Lane has supposedly >>been moved to the White House to an office that >>sounds similar to the role that Ira Magaziner has. > >uh....Jimmy, the job is called Science Adviser to the President. Lane >directs OSTP...the job that jack Gibbons used to have. > Does that mean that Ira Magaziner reports to Neal Lane ? Some people have claimed that the NSF is what is being replaced by the so-called IANA Inc. or NewCo. It appears to me that the NSF was pushed aside long ago by the White House and the Department of Commerce. It is interesting that Neal Lane would move to the White House who now has taken control of the InterNIC. The White House does not seem to want the job. It appears that the White Paper will result in several groups bidding for the InterNIC job. Maybe the Congress will have to help them sort out who should get the contracts. One thing for sure, it does not look like the NSF will be making any more of those decisions. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+@---<IPv8>---C+@---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm

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Re: Domain fees to rise...
by Jim Fleming 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Dean Anderson <dean(a)av8.com> To: Rodney Joffe <rjoffe(a)mailorder.com>; NANOG <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Domain fees to rise... >>Interestingly, the article continues to indicate that the additional fee >>is, in fact, a tax, and the NSF's *agent*, Network Solutions, will >>collect it on the Government's behalf. > >Hmm. Well, if NSI is only an agent for NSF, then perhaps they are an agent >for the DB as well. What exactly is NSI doing as an agent for the NSF? >Administering its records?? Perhaps a point for Karl to bring out in the >next letter... :-) > The NSF has been very lax in its management of the InterNIC. At one point in time, the Inspector General of the NSF, Linda Sundro was trying to figure out what was going on. If you read some of her reports to congress, you will see that she was not able to figure out what was really going on. She has now resigned and a temporary IG is in place. Recently, the Director of the NSF has been replaced. The former Director, Neal Lane has supposedly been moved to the White House to an office that sounds similar to the role that Ira Magaziner has. It is unclear why Neal Lane was moved, but letters from him about Linda Sundro's activities show that he was not cooperative with her attempts to figure out what was going on. The NSF has a $3.8 billion dollar per year (and growing) annual budget. Some of that goes to MERIT and helps to fund mailing lists like this. It is too bad that the people at the NSF are lost in a sea of information that they help to fund. Their solution seems to be to stir the waters and make sure that the people and story keep changing. The Congress apparently has little or no ability to figure out what is going on because they are kept in the dark in a boat floating on the murky waters. If they stick their hand in the water a shark might take it away. The Congress has not figured out that the solution might be to drain the swamp. With the NSF up to their ears in sharks, their solution is to keep throwing the sharks more food. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+@---<IPv8>---C+@---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm

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Public Domain NAT for Solaris? (off topic)
by Marcos Della 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

I've been trying to break out some of the CIDR block to customers using NAT translations. I have been successful for Cisco routers using IOS 11.2 on up and with some of the Ascend gear (still trying to figure out 6.0 for the P130) My question is, are there any public domain sources for a NAT translator on a Solaris box that has two or more interfaces? I need something quick and dirty to put at some customer sites and I don't have immediate access to anything else... Sorry to not be on the "topic" of NANOG, but I'm running out of resources/ideas on this one... Marcos ''' (o o) -oOO--(_)--OOo--------------------------------mdella @@ cstone.com---- Marcos R. Della http://www.cstone.com/~mdella

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Re: Domain fees to rise...
by Dean Anderson 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

>Interestingly, the article continues to indicate that the additional fee >is, in fact, a tax, and the NSF's *agent*, Network Solutions, will >collect it on the Government's behalf. Hmm. Well, if NSI is only an agent for NSF, then perhaps they are an agent for the DB as well. What exactly is NSI doing as an agent for the NSF? Administering its records?? Perhaps a point for Karl to bring out in the next letter... :-) --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Yet another way to look
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

(sorry about duplicates) For your viewing pleasure I've taken the 7-Sep-98 ASN delegation file from the ARIN ftp site and stuffed it into the RDI.INT zone. Won't give you the prefixes associated with the ASN, but it does get you another way to look up the contact for a given ASN. (there are some formating problems will will be fixed later) If the contact for any given ASN would like to re-map that entry to their own servers so they can indicate which prefixes they are willing to announce (sort of like the 4555.rdi.int example) they can. And NO, you don;t have to do all that RPSL stuff if you don't want to. The only way to check authoritative announcements is if the prefix delegates add an entry into the in-addr.arpa zones that they maintain to indicate which ASN is expected to be the authoritative announcer for said prefix. If there is interest, I'll keep the zone current with regular updates from ARIN. I don't know if the other RIRs (RIPE, APNIC) update ARIN on a regular basis. If not I can add the information from those registries as well. Comments are appreciated. If you think this is pointless, (and have not already told me so :) I'd appreciate those comments as well. like so: 7% dig 4.rdi.int txt ; <<>> DiG 8.1 <<>> 4.rdi.int txt ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; 4.rdi.int, type = TXT, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: 4.rdi.int. 1d12h IN TXT "ISI-AS;[JKR1-ARIN]" --bill

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Re: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG?
by Jim Fleming 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Barry Raveendran Greene <bgreene(a)cisco.com> To: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 2:07 AM Subject: RE: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG? >Well .... > >Lets fill in the E-mail addresses: > > zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) > nanog - North America nanog(a)merit.edu > eof - European eof-list(a)ripe.net > apops - Asia/Pacific apops(a)apnic.net > enredo - Latin America enredo(a)reacciun.ve > >I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States. > There is also http://www.iops.org but I am not sure if they have done much since the initial web site. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+@---<IPv8>---C+@---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm

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Re: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG?
by Paul G. Donner 06 Sep '98

06 Sep '98

Actually, to be more precise, that would be: enredo(a)reacciun.ve >From what I generally see, though, there is a lot of politicking going on on this list. But you should be able to hit some folks that might be interested in what you are doing. English will generally work although you might not get everyone's attention. -Donner p.s. The educated latin americans generally speak two languages also. >>>> <excerpt>At 07:37 PM 9/5/98 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: >> Leaving out South America (onlybecauseIdon'tknow) > >enredo is the closest of which i am aware. A lot of this is conducted in Spanish, the "other" language on this side of the hemisphere. > >randy > > </excerpt><<<<<<<<

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