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Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US)
by Dean Anderson 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

At 12:50 PM 9/3/98 -0700, you wrote: Hmm. Here's something interesting from the NSI prospectus regarding the PG Media whoha: -- In addition, the Company recently received written direction from the NSF not to take any action to create additional TLDs or to add any new TLDs to the Internet root servers until further guidance is provided by the NSF -- Presumably, by such a direction, the NSF is exercising control over its own records... Seemingly, one would not exercise control over private records... Another point, perhaps, that these are government records and not private property? --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US)
by Jim Fleming 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> <snip> > >The WHOIS data is what I don't want being sold. > Why would people buy it ? You can download the contact data base that not only has whois info but also the billing contacts which I think were separated from the basic whois information. Of course, part of the problem in doing this is that 30 minutes after you do this the database is out of date. NSI has a relationship with their customers which you do not. One may have to look at this and decide if the relationship is what has the value or the actual data base. One could argue that the relationship is where the value is because we just discussed above that you can get the data but it is of little use without the customers consenting to developing a relationship with you. Eventually, this all ends up in the age old discussion about what is data and what is information. NSI has the information and the data. You can obtain the data but not the information. The information is where the value is. People WILL pay for information. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+@---<IPv8>---C+@---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm

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Re: mfst.com www
by Kyle_Bacon/Fnsi/US＠fnsi.net 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

Has anyone seen an ATM participant list for MAE-E and MAE-W? Is it worth (peer wise) starting the migration process from Legacy FDDI to ATM? K Steve Feldman <feldman(a)mfst.com> on 09/08/98 04:29:27 PM To: jamie(a)ais.net, nanog(a)merit.edu cc: (bcc: Kyle Bacon/Fnsi/US) Subject: Re: mfst.com www > Where did www.mfst.com go? It was assimilated... > Where to get info, peer lists, etc., for mae-* ? The same information is (unofficially) available at: http://www.mae.net Steve

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mfst.com www
by jamie＠dilbert.ais.net 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

<noop> Where did www.mfst.com go? Where to get info, peer lists, etc., for mae-* ? -- jamie rishaw (efnet:gavroche) American Information Systems, Inc. Tel:312.425.7140, FAX:312.425.7240 Help stop spam! router(config)#no ip routing thirty thousand feet above the earth..youre a beautiful thing..

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CWIX
by william＠pacific.net.ph 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

Hi all! Just RFC about the Cable & Wireless Internet Exchange (NETBLK-CWIX) CWIX. Anyone heard of how fast, reliable, efficient they are? William

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Help send a spammer behind bars
by Fletcher E Kittredge 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

Hello; We have been tracking a relay spammer who is using our service to relay spam through many sites. We have, logs, packet traces, addresses, etc. and law enforcement officers ready to swoop down. We are missing a key bit of evidence, the actual spam. Therefore, if anyone has received spam via the following relays: 146.115.206.2.25 163.125.37.13.25 168.75.225.2.25 192.41.78.2.25 199.217.147.30.25 206.149.103.3.25 207.90.244.4.25 208.129.78.172.25 208.166.218.20.25 209.44.59.9.25 especially originating from 208.3.82.13, please forward it to me *with* *full* *e-mail* *headers*. regards, fletcher

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Domain fees to rise...
by Rodney Joffe 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

It appears that the government has received permission to raise the domain fees back to $50. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,26004,00.html Interestingly, the article continues to indicate that the additional fee is, in fact, a tax, and the NSF's *agent*, Network Solutions, will collect it on the Government's behalf. Must be irritating for a foreign entity to be forced to pay a US tax for an international resource. Wasn't there something like this that created an uproar in Boston Harbor? /rlj

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September Effect
by Sean Donelan 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

Mother's day is the busiest day for the U.S. voice telephone network. The Friday after Thanksgiving is the busiest day for U.S. public libraries. U.S. electrical demand forecast increased 3% this summer compared to last year. The movie Titanic reach $600 million dollars domestic box office last weekend. The Internet has the September effect, maybe. Generally the previous numbers come from self-reported numbers from companies in the various industries. The NSFNET used to report total traffic growth. After the NSFNET was shutdown, the NAPs reported aggregate traffic at those points. Although there are obvious problems with any single point measurements of the Internet, they did give everyone a gross starting point. Much of our collective notion about the hyper-growth of the Internet came from these numbers. But if you look at the public numbers for Internet traffic, its still growing but at a slower rate. So what is going on? Internet growth has slowed. Internet growth is being constrained by some factor. If you add up the numbers at the NAPs, there is currently no single backbone in existence able to carry the entire Internet load. Even the new OC-48 networks announced by AGIS and Sprint are too small. Internet growth continues at its previous rate, but the public measurements no longer capture it. Do overall measurements of the Internet serve any useful purpose either for network engineering or investor information. Most other industries report various quantitative metrics on a regular basis. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US) (http://www.saic.com/career/jobs/c5
by Tim Salo 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:17:20 -0700 > From: owen(a)DeLong.SJ.CA.US (Owen DeLong) > To: nanog(a)merit.edu, salo(a)networkcs.com > Subject: Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US) (http://www.saic.com/career/jobs/c5 > [...] > Under both common law and various federal regulations, NSI has posession > of that data because of a federal contract supported and (previously) > paid for by taxpayers. As such, at least that much of the data is, by > law, in the public domain. ... > [...] Thank you for summarizing one of the great myths about Federal contracting. Your statement is, in general, false. Intellectual property developed under federal contracts is, in general, _not_ public domain. In general, the intellectual property developed under federal contracts is owned by the contractor, although the government has broad rights to the data. See for example: o NSF General Grant Conditions (GC-1) http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1998/nsf98gc1a/nsf98gc1a.txt Including sections: 17. Information Collection 18. Copyrightable Material 21. Patent Rights o NSF Grant Policy Manual (95-26) Including sections: 730 Intellectual Property 731 Patent and Inventions 731.1 Background 731.2 National Science Foundation Patent Policy 731.3 Standard Patent Rights Clause 732 Copyright 732.1 Rights to Copyrightable Material 732.2 Standard Copyrightable Material Clause 733 Special Patent and Copyright Situations 733.1 Special Grant Provisions 733.2 Grants Not Primarily for Research 733.3 Grants Affected by International Agreements 734 Dissemination and Sharing of Research Results 735 Tangible Property 735.1 Background 735.2 Legal Rights to Tangible Property o Federal Acquisition Regulations http://farsite.hill.af.mil/ Particularly: Part 27 - Patents, Data, and Copyrights The first sentence of the following quote from the FARs may help explain the motivation for this approach. 27.404 Basic Rights in Data Clause. (f) Copyrighted Data.--(1) Data First Produced in the Performance of a Contract. (i) In order to enhance the transfer or dissemination of information produced at Government expense, contractors are normally authorized, without prior approval of the contracting officer, to establish claim to copyright subsisting in technical or scientific articles based on or containing data first produced in the performance of work under a contract containing the clause at 52.227-14, Rights in Data--General and published in academic, technical or professional journals, symposia proceedings and similar works. ... -tjs

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Re: Domain fees to rise...
by Jim Fleming 07 Sep '98

07 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Gordon Cook <cook(a)cookreport.com> <snip> > >>It is unclear why Neal Lane was moved, but letters >>from him about Linda Sundro's activities show that >>he was not cooperative with her attempts to figure >>out what was going on. > >What his lack of cooperation shows is that Lane understood the legislative >manadate of NSF was not to become a tax collection agency. > For the record...Gordon confirms that Linda Sundro did not know what she was doing. Gordon does not mention where she obtained her information that she used to develop her misguided plan. Gordon also does not address the fact that Neal Lane was not helpful to Linda Sundro to get it right. Gordon seems to imply that left to his own decision-making Neal Lane would get it right. Gordon fails to point out that Neal Lane WAS the one making the decisions, not Linda Sundro. I suppose this means that Gordon is happy with the decisions that were made and is now more happy that Neal Lane, the decision-maker had moved to the White House to continue making decisions. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+@---<IPv8>---C+@---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm

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