- Test - lists.nanog.org

Re: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG?
by Sean M. Doran 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

Uhm, how do you give a European routing tutorial without already knowing about RIPE (http://www.ripe.net/) ??? Sean.

3 3

Re: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG?
by Sean M. Doran 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

| From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb(a)clark.net> | | At 2:47 PM -0700 9/5/98, Sean M. Doran wrote: | >Uhm, how do you give a European routing tutorial | >without already knowing about RIPE (http://www.ripe.net/) ??? | > | > Sean. | | You don't. But I was asking about operational mailing lists, not | registries. If RIPE has a mailing list separate from the general European | registry function, great. That's what I am asking about. S You mean like the part of the home page at http://www.ripe.net/ where it says "Mailing Lists"? If you missed it, it's at the bottom of the "Services" column at the start of the page... Sean. P.S.: I dont suppose you wanna float your tutorial syllabus on NANOG? --:)

2 1

RE: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces
by Kyle_Bacon/Fnsi/US＠fnsi.net 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

Along this thread... Is anyone else having MFS/WorldCom capacity problems getting into the 8100 Boone Blvd MAE-EAST Colocation facility? You'd think that if MFS/WorldCom is interested in a successful ATM MAE, they would have checked capacity into their colo facilties, eh? Does anyone know of other Colo space in the vicinity that does have facilities capacity and cabinet colo space? Thanks! K Deepak Jain <deepak(a)ai.net> on 09/04/98 03:36:45 PM To: Kyle Bacon/Fnsi/US cc: "Bono, Vinny J (CORP, ITDG)" <VBono(a)comstor.com>, Brian Horvitz <horvitz(a)shore.net>, nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces Now the real question is, will MFS be offering ATM NAP service-level agreements covering conditions like outages, downtime, or those ever-popular "unannounced scheduled maintenance windows" at 11pm on Friday nights. -Deepak. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 Kyle_Bacon/Fnsi/US(a)fnsi.net wrote: > > Confirmed with the ATM MAE's Product Manager, Caleb Williford. > > There will be no connectivity between the "legacy" FDDI MAE > and the new ATM based MAE. > > Current FDDI users will most likely pay for FDDI MAE connections > for quite some time in addition to their new ATM MAE connection during > transition. WorldCom/MFS is supposed to be "looking into incentives to > migrate FDDI customers to the ATM side, (see below from Caleb Williford) > > K > > > -- > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:58:15 -0500 > From: "J. Caleb Williford" <jcwillif(a)gwsmtp.wcom.com> > To: jmparks(a)gwsmtp.wcom.com > Subject: Fwd: Re: Scaling of interconnections at MAE-EAST and MAE-WEST > -Reply > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > Although we are looking into some incentives to migrate customers from the > Legacy platform to ATM, our current pricing is pretty much inline with what > the other ATM-based NAPs are offering (I've pasted the URLs with their > pricing below for your reference). > However, I'd like to point out that there are a number of aspects that are > unique to the new platform (higher actual throughput, scalability to OC-12, > PVCs, etc.). Please call me at your earliest convenience and we can have a > chat about the specifics. > -Caleb > > PacBell NAP: > http://www.pacbell.com/products/business/fastrak/networking/nap/pricing.htm > l > Ameritecy NAP: > http://www.aads.net/napPricing.htm > > > > > > > > > > "Bono, Vinny J (CORP, ITDG)" <VBono(a)comstor.com> on 09/04/98 01:02:27 PM > > To: Brian Horvitz <horvitz(a)shore.net> > cc: nanog(a)merit.edu (bcc: Kyle Bacon/Fnsi/US) > Subject: RE: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Richard Almeida wrote: > > > > > Just be careful here, MFS are launching new ATM MAE's certainlty > > > at Mae-east - but you can only see other ATM connected people > > > > You sure this is true? > > > > Brian > > This is absolutely true. > -vb > > > > >

1 0

Re: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG?
by David R. Conrad 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

>Are there equivalent and active lists for European and Asian ISPs? Well, there's apops(a)apnic.net, but I wouldn't exactly call it "active". >If so, how does one sign up? majordomo, apops-request(a)apnic.net Regards, -drc

1 0

Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US)
by Sean Donelan 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

>> how a "competitive procurement" or "peer reviewed" panels could have >> possibly chosen a group with no Internet experience and only a single >> 56Kbps line over the other bids from well-known, well-connected >> (bandwidth-wise) organizations? > >lowball bid Completely unconfirmed rumor, but if I recall correctly didn't Rick Adams offer to do it for free at one point in time? Disclosure: A number of years ago DRA sent a letter to Ann Cooper offering to provide registration and name servers for all the *.lib.*.us domains at no charge. Where are the historians when you need them? Today's router configuration tip: ip classless -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

7 6

RE: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces
by Scott, Dan 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

NO OC-3 (minimum) connection to the existing FDDI system?? value of location just dropped considerably. Daniel T. Scott Chief Engineer NASA Integrated Services Network (http://www.nisn.nasa.gov) MSFC Information Systems Services Office ******NOTE NEW AREA CODE FOR MSFC ****** 256.544.0131 voice 256.544.2554 fax dan.scott(a)msfc.nasa.gov > ---------- > From: rpa@insnet.net[SMTP:rpa@insnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 4:44 PM > To: leigh(a)wisper.net > Cc: czmok(a)ipf.de; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces > > Just be careful here, MFS are launching new ATM MAE's certainlty > at Mae-east - but you can only see other ATM connected people > > R > > In a previous message Leigh Porter wrote: > > > > Jan Czmok wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Does anybody know if the statement > > > > > > "mfs can offer atm ds3 connection to the mae-west and mae-east > ehternet > > > from colo space" > > > issued by a german salesperson is true. > > > > > > According to the www.mfst.com webpage i only see > > > possiblities for 10 Mbit Ethernet, HSSI or FDDI. > > > > Aparrently true since I know somebody who actually got sold > > a similar service. It is actually delivered as bridged FDDI. > > > > -- > > Leigh > > > > > > > > > -- > Richard Almeida email: rpa(a)insnet.net > Technical Director phone: +44 181 239 5000 > Internet Network Services Ltd fax: +44 181 239 5001 > The Education Exchange Ltd (EDEX) mobile: /dev/null >

2 1

Re: Director Database Marketing (Herndon VA US)
by William Allen Simpson 04 Sep '98

04 Sep '98

> From: Stephen Wolff <swolff(a)cisco.com> > SRI lost to NSI in a competitive procurement run by DISA, and SRI turned > over the database to NSI as a consequence. >... > When the dust settled on the peer-reviewed and competitive NSF > solicitation, NSI had won the registration piece; this avoided yet another > transfer of the non-USG-related part of the database to the winner. > Hey, now that you are at Cisco, rather than NSF, maybe you can tell us how a "competitive procurement" or "peer reviewed" panels could have possibly chosen a group with no Internet experience and only a single 56Kbps line over the other bids from well-known, well-connected (bandwidth-wise) organizations? Well-connected politically? I distinctly remember the teething pains of _that_ baby! WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

3 2

Re: NSI Bulletin 098-010 | Update on Whois
by Derek Balling 04 Sep '98

04 Sep '98

At 11:59 AM 9/2/98 -0500, Andy Walden wrote: > >> Was this company "an abuser" because they wanted to do lookups of a useful >> nature? (And yes, they put in caching and such so they wouldn't be querying > >Yes. Thats not the intent of the whois database in my opinion. Marketing >and general greed causes the most problems on the Internet and generates >the most instances of someone trying to exploit something for the almighty >dollar. I guess I would tend to disagree. The whois database is there so that the Internet users - be they marketing types or technical types - can obtain information about a domain name. I might not be interested in that aspect of it MYSELF (for me, it is generally the technical contact I am looking for, or rarely the admin contact), but for others it is the company name. What makes their use "WRONG" and mine "RIGHT"? D

6 6

The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 04 Sep '98

04 Sep '98

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Sep 4 12:00:00 PDT 1998 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 04Sep98 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 280898 53151 290898 53143 300898 53149 310898 53251 010998 53157 020998 53162 030998 53176 040998 52828 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 3962 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 1903 (997 cidr, 906 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 350 announced by AS701 Largest number of classful routes: 1174 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 04Sep98 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS701 1174 950 224 19.1% Alternet AS271 349 152 197 56.4% BCnet Backbone AS4293 445 260 185 41.6% IMCI AS3749 224 67 157 70.1% TECNET AS2493 374 219 155 41.4% iSTAR Internet, Inc. AS174 696 569 127 18.2% Performance Systems International AS4200 192 98 94 49.0% AGIS (Apex Global Information Ser AS5668 133 42 91 68.4% Century Telephone Inc. AS2685 234 154 80 34.2% IBM Global Network - US AS4755 124 47 77 62.1% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. India AS4740 419 344 75 17.9% Ozemail Pty Ltd (ASN-OZEMAIL) AS3221 116 45 71 61.2% EENet Autonomous System AS7046 236 171 65 27.5% UUNET-CUSTOMER AS3493 220 156 64 29.1% INTERLINK AS3804 215 157 58 27.0% Bell Solutions AS3403 182 127 55 30.2% TIAC AS549 203 150 53 26.1% ONet Backbone AS8517 123 71 52 42.3% ULAKNET-ASN AS10928 100 48 52 52.0% UNKNOWN AS719 469 418 51 10.9% LANLINK autonomous system AS6335 69 20 49 71.0% NTRNET AS72 87 39 48 55.2% Schlumberger Information Network AS1239 552 504 48 8.7% SprintLink Backbone AS803 78 34 44 56.4% SaskNet Backbone AS6181 66 26 40 60.6% FUSE-NET AS4539 67 27 40 59.7% NETROPOLIS AS852 158 119 39 24.7% AGT Advance Communication AS7122 119 80 39 32.8% MTS ADVANCED Network Policy AS10459 45 10 35 77.8% WANSASN AS4763 100 66 34 34.0% Telstra New Zealand For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

1 0

RE: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces
by Kyle_Bacon/Fnsi/US＠fnsi.net 04 Sep '98

04 Sep '98

Confirmed with the ATM MAE's Product Manager, Caleb Williford. There will be no connectivity between the "legacy" FDDI MAE and the new ATM based MAE. Current FDDI users will most likely pay for FDDI MAE connections for quite some time in addition to their new ATM MAE connection during transition. WorldCom/MFS is supposed to be "looking into incentives to migrate FDDI customers to the ATM side, (see below from Caleb Williford) K -- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:58:15 -0500 From: "J. Caleb Williford" <jcwillif(a)gwsmtp.wcom.com> To: jmparks(a)gwsmtp.wcom.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Scaling of interconnections at MAE-EAST and MAE-WEST -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Although we are looking into some incentives to migrate customers from the Legacy platform to ATM, our current pricing is pretty much inline with what the other ATM-based NAPs are offering (I've pasted the URLs with their pricing below for your reference). However, I'd like to point out that there are a number of aspects that are unique to the new platform (higher actual throughput, scalability to OC-12, PVCs, etc.). Please call me at your earliest convenience and we can have a chat about the specifics. -Caleb PacBell NAP: http://www.pacbell.com/products/business/fastrak/networking/nap/pricing.htm l Ameritecy NAP: http://www.aads.net/napPricing.htm "Bono, Vinny J (CORP, ITDG)" <VBono(a)comstor.com> on 09/04/98 01:02:27 PM To: Brian Horvitz <horvitz(a)shore.net> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu (bcc: Kyle Bacon/Fnsi/US) Subject: RE: MAE-EAST / MAE-WEST Interfaces > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Richard Almeida wrote: > > > Just be careful here, MFS are launching new ATM MAE's certainlty > > at Mae-east - but you can only see other ATM connected people > > You sure this is true? > > Brian This is absolutely true. -vb

1 0