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Re: Any from PSI on this list?
by Kyle C. Bacon 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

Alex, We executed peering agreements with PSI in May (1997) for peering at MAE-EAST and MAE-WEST (signed, mailed, etc...) One of our engineers contacted them last week to turn up these peering sessions and was told by PSI that even though we have an executed peering agreement with you, "our routers at the MAE's are overloaded and we are not currently turning up any new peers." K -- | Kyle C. Bacon | VP Operations | kbacon(a)fibernet.net | http://www.fibernet.net connecting your world... On Jun 16, 10:11am, Alex Rubenstein wrote: > Subject: Any from PSI on this list? > > I can't seem to reach anyone at PSI who knows what I am talking about, so > I thought I would try here. > > Lately, our connectivity to PSI has gotten worse; to the point where > customers complaing about getting to sites from PSI. > > The thing is, PSI has a 'MEGA-PoP' about 14 feet away from me at 33 > Whitehall Street, in NYC. > > I know PSI peers there with a few folks; are they adding? How do you > become considered for peering with PSI? > > Thanks for your time. > >-- End of excerpt from Alex Rubenstein -- | Kyle C. Bacon | VP Operations | kbacon(a)fibernet.net | http://www.fibernet.net connecting your world...

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Any from PSI on this list?
by Alex Rubenstein 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

I can't seem to reach anyone at PSI who knows what I am talking about, so I thought I would try here. Lately, our connectivity to PSI has gotten worse; to the point where customers complaing about getting to sites from PSI. The thing is, PSI has a 'MEGA-PoP' about 14 feet away from me at 33 Whitehall Street, in NYC. I know PSI peers there with a few folks; are they adding? How do you become considered for peering with PSI? Thanks for your time.

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Re: Any from PSI on this list?
by Matthew Pearson 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

At 11:10 AM 6/16/97 -0400, Kyle C. Bacon wrote: > One of our engineers contacted them last week to turn up these peering >sessions and was told by PSI that even though we have an executed peering >agreement with you, "our routers at the MAE's are overloaded and we are not >currently turning up any new peers." We have heard this as well. We are still awaiting execution of our Peering Agreement with PSI. They are having some slowness in building out new facilities on their network in general it seems. M ---------------------------------------------------------- Matthew E. Pearson mpearson(a)websecure.net Network Administrator (617)867-2300 Tel WebSecure Inc. (617)867-2775 Fax

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Re: cache parms
by Barry Raveendran Greene 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

Hello Randy, I'll forward this note to ircache(a)nlanr.net. This has the vast majority of the serious caching community - mainly outside of the US. Barry Randy Bush wrote: >Is anyone aware of *specific* cache sites which forcefully ignore page >expiration in a way which would throw off content providers' hit counting? >If so, I would like to talk with the cache admin to understand a few things. > >randy > > -- -- -- Barry Raveendran Greene | || || | Senior Consultant | || || | Corporate Consulting Engineering | |||| |||| | tel: +65 738-5535 ext 235 | ..:||||||:..:||||||:.. | e-mail: bgreene(a)cisco.com | c i s c o S y s t e m s |

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NIC IP group - new phone #
by Einar Bohlin 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

Hello, The Domain Registration group moved to a new building this weekend and took the phone number with them. The IP Group at the InterNIC has a new phone number: (703) 742-4700. FYI we do IP and AS number registration, network inverse mapping (IN-ADDR), and SWIP. Regards, Einar Bohlin IP Numbers Group InterNIC Registration Services /edb =================================================================== email einarb(a)internic.net phone (703) 742-4700 ===================================================================

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Woes PSI & AT&T
by Golan Ben-Oni 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

FYI, I just had to setup a filter on path 174 2713 5727 : Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 9.2.0.0/16 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 701 1673 1675 1747 i * i 192.41.177.245 230 100 0 174 2713 5727 701 1673 1675 1747 i *> 12.64.0.0/12 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 5074 i * 206.34.91.137 0 1 174 2713 5727 5074 i * i 192.41.177.245 230 100 0 174 2713 5727 5074 i ..etc *> 132.72.0.0/14 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 701 2685 2686 3339 378 i *> 132.76.0.0/15 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 701 2685 2686 3339 378 i *> 132.81.0.0 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 1 568 724 ? h 132.82.0.0/15 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 1 568 i h 132.84.0.0/14 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 1 568 i

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Re: Internet outages
by Sean Donelan 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

>Come on folk. The useful, as opposed to ISP-bashing, answers are: > > o All ISPs have an outage mailing list. Ask your ISP to get on theirs. I agree. Tell your ISP you want an outage mailing list, and you would like it if the ISP actually posted outage information to that list. I got back on the Sprint list, my subscription having vanished, and Sprint list has improved a lot. CNN and http://www.news.com/ still seem to "scoop" most providers though. > o For overall info, Stan Barber is running an outage mailing list. I just checked my subscription, and I think I'm still subscribed to it. But I haven't seen anything posted on outage-discuss(a)academ.com since last year. The last thing I remember was a brief announcement of Craig's Inter-Provider Notification web pages. The outage list hosted by dal.net seems to have more traffic, although a lot of it obviously involves dal.net IRC servers.

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cache parms
by randy＠psg.com 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

Is anyone aware of *specific* cache sites which forcefully ignore page expiration in a way which would throw off content providers' hit counting? If so, I would like to talk with the cache admin to understand a few things. randy

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Notes completed
by sob＠academ.com 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

All Notes are now on line. I may still get some slides from speakers, but that's all I am missing now. http://www.academ.com/nanog/june1997 -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob(a)academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.

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Re: Internet outages
by Joseph C. Pistritto 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

This really depends on how important you are to your provider as well. We're a fairly large customer for at least one of our ISPs, so they tend to tell us about things as they happen (we also have a "bottom line" requirement here to be up, so we active reroute traffic from one ISP to another as things happen). In reality, it's T3 customers and up that get this kind of service, and then only be special arrangement. Best, -jcp- At 02:53 PM 6/15/97 -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: >>Here's a question about the content of nanog (the list)... I was >>originally pointed to nanog as a place to hear about Internet >>outage/problems. Well, so far (over about a month), I think I've seen two > >In theory, you should be able to get this information from your >direct provider. While every written peering agreement I've seen >includes a paragraph about notifying other providers about scheduled >and unscheduled outages; it is rare in customer agreements. Unlike >the telephone, electrical, or nuclear industries; there is no government >reporting requirements. In the 'new' privatized Internet, it is up to >you to negotiate with your provider and for providers to negotiate >with each other. > >I've talked to a number of managers at large and small providers. They >say they don't see any "real" customer demand for this. "Real" being >defined in management terms "affecting the bottom line." > >The response for the engineers at those providers is also fairly >predicatable. The engineers say "Would you rather we spend the time >fixing the problem, or telling you there is a problem?" > >Fortunately there is a wide range of providers. If you look around, >I suspect you will find some providers are a bit more proactive about >informing their customers than others. >-- >Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO > Affiliation given for identification not representation >

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