June 1997 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Re: Digital SNMP Pollable Thermometers
by Wolfgang Henke 19 Jun '97

19 Jun '97

At 07:52 PM 6/13/97 +0100, Neil J. McRae wrote: > > The GRF has this feature also. > Mercedes-Benz automobiles also will have this feature through wireless access via the CAN-Bus. Outside air temperature, engine temperature and several passenger compartment comfort settings are accessible. Wolfgang Wolfgang Henke wolfgang(a)whnet.com . www.whnet.com WH Networks ... ftp.whnet.com 2672 Bayshore Parkway, Suite 503 .......... (415) 390-9316 Mountain View, CA 94043 .................. fax (415) 390-9317

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Re: usdns.org
by William Allen Simpson 18 Jun '97

18 Jun '97

It took a long time, but here's the reply to my earlier message: > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 09:42:22 PDT > From: US Domain Registration <usdomreg(a)ISI.EDU> > > Bill: > > To be clear, no you can't assume that you can register anywhere for > free in the US domain. You don't have to deal with 3rd party services > if you don't want to, but if you don't then you do have to deal with > the manager for the delegated domain. That manager may charge a fee > for his service. > > The current policies of the US domain are on the web page at > > http://www.isi.edu/us-domain > > Check the "Overview" information. > > US Domain Registry > > - ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 18:27:07 GMT > From: "William Allen Simpson" <wsimpson(a)greendragon.com> > To: iana(a)isi.edu > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: usdns.org > > > From: Eric Kozowski <kozowski(a)structured.net> > > I received the following from Jon Postel. Posted with his permission. > > > > >The USDNS organization is esentially a broker for domain names in the > > >US (and maybe other) domains. > > >... > > >In the world there are many such services, we all make tradeoffs every > > >day between doing something ourselves vs using a service to do it for > > >us. We all trade money vs time and/or knowledge and/or skill. > > >... > > >The US Domain Administration does not make any recommendations positive > > >or negative about such services. > > > > > > Great. Just wanted to be clear on this official policy. We can still > register ourselves without paying any service, anywhere in the US domain. > > And any "service", fee or no fee, can update the _same_ subdomains. > There is no subdomain "ownership". > > Also, there was another posting saying that IANA had made a limitation > last year for each "service" only serving 50 US sub-domains. > > I didn't see any such announcement. Could you update the US domain RFC > accordingly? > > WSimpson(a)UMich.edu > Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32 > BSimpson(a)MorningStar.com > Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2 > > > - ----- End Included Message ----- WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32 BSimpson(a)MorningStar.com Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2

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Re: Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Vadim Antonov 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

Scott Landman <Scott_Landman(a)zd.com> wrote: >I always thought that this forum should be politically agnostic. "Do not fear your friends. The worst they can do is to betray you. Do not fear your enemies. The worst they can do is to kill you. Fear the indifferent, for they let these evils happen." >I would >hope that "religious" arguments be kept to ATM versus Gigabit Ethernet, and >not whether the US government should allow certain technologies (that, by >the way, encourage open and uncensored dialogue) to be exported to >different countries. You missed the point of the original thread, didn't you? It was about Bay entering partnership with _state_censorship_organization_. Too much for "open and uncensored dialogue". And nowhere i mentioned U.S. government in relation to this issue. >If Vadim wants to complain about the capitalistic system, let him go to >alt.politics.complain. I do not complain about capitalist system. I simply think there should be more in our lives than corporate greed. And, yes, i'm sick and tired of ignoramuses who can't comprehend plain English and keep putting words in my mouth. Please keep flames off NANOG list. I'm not going to write anything on that issue anyway. Dixi. --vadim

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Re: Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Scott Landman 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

I always thought that this forum should be politically agnostic. I would hope that "religious" arguments be kept to ATM versus Gigabit Ethernet, and not whether the US government should allow certain technologies (that, by the way, encourage open and uncensored dialogue) to be exported to different countries. If Vadim wants to complain about the capitalistic system, let him go to alt.politics.complain. Vadim, I disagreed with you prior on your stance regarding this topic. Your moralistic stance was commendable, except that it came about as a direct attack upon a company, and it came through not as something that should be measured for its merits, but as a personal attack upon that company, and your firm belief that other companies would never do such a thing(specifically Cisco). Ed On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Vadim Antonov wrote: :> From: Jon Green <jcgreen(a)netins.net> : :I understand that this is supposed to be a joke on me, :but i'd venture to offer the opinion that it is not funny. : :It's way too easy to laugh at something you don't understand. : :It's even easier to show how really ignorant you are in the :ways of the world beyond your backyard. : :I find it rather sad that at least some professionals in this :forum do not take time or inclination to learn what the :social consequences of their actions are, or what that thing :means for the humanity at large. Sure, it requires some :interest in patently non-techy things like history and :political science. : :Did you ever wonder why most people think Internet is a :playground for sexually starved asocial nerds? : :--vadim :

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Re: Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Scott Landman 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

What are you talking about? > From: Jon Green <jcgreen(a)netins.net> I understand that this is supposed to be a joke on me, but i'd venture to offer the opinion that it is not funny. It's way too easy to laugh at something you don't understand. It's even easier to show how really ignorant you are in the ways of the world beyond your backyard. I find it rather sad that at least some professionals in this forum do not take time or inclination to learn what the social consequences of their actions are, or what that thing means for the humanity at large. Sure, it requires some interest in patently non-techy things like history and political science. Did you ever wonder why most people think Internet is a playground for sexually starved asocial nerds? --vadim

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Re: Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Vadim Antonov 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

> From: Jon Green <jcgreen(a)netins.net> I understand that this is supposed to be a joke on me, but i'd venture to offer the opinion that it is not funny. It's way too easy to laugh at something you don't understand. It's even easier to show how really ignorant you are in the ways of the world beyond your backyard. I find it rather sad that at least some professionals in this forum do not take time or inclination to learn what the social consequences of their actions are, or what that thing means for the humanity at large. Sure, it requires some interest in patently non-techy things like history and political science. Did you ever wonder why most people think Internet is a playground for sexually starved asocial nerds? --vadim

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Re: Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Mark Kaepplein 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

At 03:31 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Mark Kaepplein wrote: >... Those products should >still meet China's software and CD manufacturing requirements, however. Sorry, as suspected, I did not read the earlier talk.nanog thread in January.... I was off-campus last semester (joke).

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Re: Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Mark Kaepplein 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

Don't worry. The US government is obviously not exporting the country's best technology and undermining national security. Those products should still meet China's software and CD manufacturing requirements, however. At 01:35 PM 6/17/97 -0500, Jon Green wrote: >NOTE: This is not intended to be serious. :) > >I think we should all boycott Cisco over this (not that I'd buy their >products in the first place..) Their partnership with censors of a >communist regime is repugnant. Using the modern technology to build a >giant brainwashing machine is very scary. >SAN JOSE, Calif. - June 17, 1997 - The Beijing Telecommunications >Administration (BTA) has selected Cisco Systems' StrataCom(R) Asynchronous >Transfer Mode (ATM) switches for the city's first metropolitan-area >network (MAN)....

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Cisco in bed with the commies!
by Jon Green 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

NOTE: This is not intended to be serious. :) I think we should all boycott Cisco over this (not that I'd buy their products in the first place..) Their partnership with censors of a communist regime is repugnant. Using the modern technology to build a giant brainwashing machine is very scary. SAN JOSE, Calif. - June 17, 1997 - The Beijing Telecommunications Administration (BTA) has selected Cisco Systems' StrataCom(R) Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) switches for the city's first metropolitan-area network (MAN). The new multimillion-dollar ATM network will carry much of Beijing's Internet, corporate and intragovernmental data traffic. In addition to consolidating the capital's existing X.25 and low-speed data traffic, the network will provide Frame Relay services and citywide, high-speed data connectivity. -snip-

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subscibe
by Tracy Gatton 17 Jun '97

17 Jun '97

Could someone help me understand how to subscribe to nanog? I am not usre of the address to subscribe. Thanks in advance for your help. Tracy

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