September 2001 - Test - lists.nanog.org

nanog-l listserv lag
by Mikael Abrahamsson 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I find this 1h35m lag on nanog-l to be quite in the way of quickly spreading news. Any chance of getting the list servers a bit more efficient? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike(a)swm.pp.se ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <owner-nanog(a)merit.edu> Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f8CMbw616482 for <swmike(a)swm.pp.se>; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:37:58 +0200 Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 2CD1891733; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 176219121F; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: nanog(a)trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F9D91628 for <nanog(a)trapdoor.merit.edu>; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 26F4A5DD93; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: nanog(a)merit.org Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [195.54.133.5]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C8F5DD91 for <nanog(a)merit.org>; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (swmike@localhost) by uplift.swm.pp.se (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f8CL1sX13237 for <nanog(a)merit.org>; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:01:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:01:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike(a)swm.pp.se> To: "'nanog(a)merit.org'" <nanog(a)merit.org> Subject: Re: 60 Hudson Evacuation ? In-Reply-To: <D5F0BE7E951B7645A01B9305761709DD941577(a)yyzxch07.gt.ca> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109122259300.3376-100000(a)uplift.swm.pp.se> Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog

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Internet assessment - Sept 12 2001
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

The day after. As always the priority is on the continuing rescue efforts, and for the families of the victims. Power problems are the concern for Internet services on the second day. Internet reach ability appears to returned near normal, with certain localized exceptions around New York City and circuits through New York City to Germany and other European locations. Rescue efforts may impact the network as debris must be moved or demolished. Reportly some carriers are operating on half-rings now, so additional damage could result in more service disruptions. Verizon lost 10 cell sites, Cingular Wireless lost 6 cell sites. Some cell sites were down to to power outages, some because the land lines connected though equipment in the World Trade Center towers. Verizon and Cingular are deploying additional mobile cell sites where possible, and permitted by authorities. Verizon has re-programmed Verizon owned payphones in Manhattan, providing free local telephone calls. Sprint and ATT Local Services had equipment in/near the World Trade Center. Sprint reports several circuits are down, ATT Local Service reports their equipment survived the inital collapse until the battery plant was exhausted. 25 Broadway is still on generator. 32 Old Slip is back up on generators, after being down overnight. Fuel deliveries may or may not be allowed by emergency authorities. Much of it depends on the conditions of the streets and safety of rescue works. I don't have any first-hand reports from 60 Hudson, but everything appears to be working. The New York City web site www.nyc.gov seems to be down, congested or has routing problems. I can't reach it from any network I have access. Access below 14th street is still restricted. ISP engineers may or may not be allowed access to facilities in lower Manhattan. You should contact the building owner for any special access requirements. The dust in the air creates problems keeping the generators going. If prolonged run-times are required, its likely they will need to be shutdown for maintenance (filter changes, oil changes, etc). This could result in periodic outages of a few hours. The suspension of flights has also meant the suspension of spare parts. Equipment failures (i.e card failures, chassis failures, etc) requiring replacement parts will require swapping parts with other ISPs locally or waiting until deliveries resume. Most circuit repair activity in Manhattan has been suspended, except for emergency circuits to hospitals and similar emergency response locations. ISPs rarely have restoration priority on their circuits, so any circuit failures should be expected to continue for a long-time. Facility based carriers are not subject to restoration priority for their own circuits. However, restoration priority rules apply to any customer circuits of those carriers, including other carriers or ISPs. Several ISPs, Internet colocation facilities and other service providers have offered assistance where possible in New York City, and other locations. I expect most companies are willing to make special arrangements where possible.

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Re: power issues for manhattan/telco-hotels
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

On Tue, 11 September 2001, Jim Mercer wrote: > anyone have any idea if power is being restored, or if the facilites running > through 60 hudson, 25 broadway, etc al are at the mercy of existing diesel > supplies? 25 Broadway is on generator. Supposedly they have 48 hours of fuel. I haven't heard about 60 Hudson or 111 8th Ave. > like they are gonna let a diesel tanker just pull into town to top everyone up. >From my experience during Hurricane Andrew, it doesn't matter if you have "priority" service contracts for diesel delivery. Hospitals get first call on any diesel. ISPs aren't even on the list.

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Taleban Site hacked
by Chris Grout 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I've been watching the list and didn't see this mentioned yet (I could very easily of missed it though). Sorry if its old news... http://www.interactiveweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D1825%2526a%253D14392,00. asp

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RE: assistance available
by Robert Boyle 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

We also have lots of colo space and bandwidth available in NJ (Newton, Jersey City (1 Evertrust and 34 Exchange Place). We also have assurances from Verizon that we can get T1 and ADSL circuits installed in record time for those who had connectivity to anywhere in NJ. Connections terminating in NY are obviously not a priority for anyone right now. We can also provide single user or LAN dialup/ISDN for those affected so they can get the word out that they are ok. -Robert ---- Original Message ---- From: vixie(a)vix.com To: nanog(a)merit.edu, Subject: RE: assistance available Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:35:44 -0700 > >PAIX and Abovenet (both subsidiaries of MFN) have space, power and >various >forms of connectivity available at 111 8th. Anyone who was impacted >by the >WTC disaster and who needs a place to set up an emergency network >node should >get in touch w/ me (I'll intro you to MFN or to Abovenet if PAIX >can't help.) >

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RE: Circuits down, Free Verizon payphones
by Stanley, Jon 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Does anyone have definitive status on 60 Hudson and 111 8th Ave, or 1 State Street (I don't know NY geography that well, State Street may be nowhere near the WTC). -----Original Message----- From: Mike Forrester [mailto:mikef@pocketlint.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:38 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Circuits down, Free Verizon payphones > Verizon, the local New York City telephone company, has re-programmed > all Verizon owned payphones in lower Manhatten to provide free local > telephone calls. Now that's a real service provider. I'm looking for a new cell provider and they just might get my business cause of that. Mike

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Number to call to volunteer
by Scotty Allen 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

According to www.nysemo.state.ny.us which is the NY state emergency management center, the number to volunteer your time for the cause is 800-801-8092. They'll put you in a database with your name and phone number and expertise, which is available to the command posts. They particularlly want firemen and medical people, but they seem receptive to everything. I have called and declared my time available for as long as needed, wherever it is needed. I was planning a travel abroad, and thus have no obligations locally, and sufficient funds to sustain my self. Thus, I also volunteer myself to the nanog community, being skilled in systems (NT & linux & x86) and LAN/WAN. About all I need is a place to sleep, wherever you need me. (I'm in Boulder, CO, currently) Being a recent resident of NYC, my heart goes out to everyone there. I long to do something constructive, to help heal our community and society. Scotty Allen 303-530-4462 scotty(a)scottyallen.com

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Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by David Lesher 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Unnamed Administration sources reported that Bill Larson said: > > > Actually there should be an external entrance for the cockpit crew. The > cockpit crew should be escorted to the cockpit by armed security officers. > The door between the cockpit and the passenger cabin should be totally > removed. This would prevent the luring of the flight crew to the passenger > cabin and prevent passenger access to the cockpit all together. By doing > this, you would have no more suicide bombings by hijackers. This does not > prevent a crazy flight crewmember wanting to suicide killing the other > crewmembers. However, nothing will protect against that. A) The cabin crew has to come into the cabin from time to time; for example to examine the wings for ice, & access hatches to landing gear. B) You better get crew members with big bladders. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Cisco PIX 515-->520?
by Todd Suiter 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I'm hearing rumors of problems with the 515 series PIX: '...that in some cases Cisco has opted to replace customers' 515 Pixes with 520's at no charge because the 515 in some cases accepts packets with spoofed source addresses that it should be able to reject.' has anyone heard of this? Far as I know the sw is the same, but hw is different.

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Re: More assistance available, take 2
by Justin Streiner 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

> Folks, As you begin rebuilding in NY and DC, I'd also like to offer up my > assistance to anyone who can use it. I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, but > would be happy to do anything I can to help you remotely. I'm quite familiar > with Cisco, Sun and x86. Reply off list if there's anything I can do. Likewise. I'm willing to volunteer time and assistance to those who need it. Please let me know off-list if I can help. I can provide network engineering/configuration assistance, along with some *nix. I can handle remote work, or come onsite / near-site if needed. jms

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