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Re: Re: Rumor Control, Indeed (was: Re: Rumor Control: Re: 60 hudson may collapse..
by Frank Coluccio 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

On the construction of 60 Hudson, Perry Piermont wrote: >>It is not a windowless telecom building -- it was originally a western union office building that slowly evolved into its current role.<< Good point, 60 Hudson is not windowless <except, in parts, where the windows have been plugged up ;> But from my recall of its details it was built to the same 'fortress-like' standards as 32 Sixth Avenue and other classical telco-grade buildings of the era. But true, its design precedes windowless COs by about thirty years ;) > > Frank Coluccio <fcoluccio(a)dticonsulting.com> writes: > > Like 140 West Street (adjacent to where 7 WTC once stood), 60H is a > > brick shit house. > > 60 Hudson is not properly built for its role, actually. It is not a > windowless telecom building -- it was originally a western union > office building that slowly evolved into its current role. Most of > the nearby telecom buildings are indeed windowless and designed to > take punishment, but 60 is not. I recall on many occasions pointing > it out to friends and noting you could see racked equipment through > its numerous windows. > > It may (or may not) be perfectly true that it is safe, but its design > has nothing to do with that safety -- only its position during this > incident. > > Perry >

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Verizon damage and service disruptions
by Sean Donelan 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

First, 1 Verizon employee and 3 Genuity employees are still missing, my prayers, and I'm sure everyone else's prayers go out to their families. No one wants to distract or impair the continuing rescue efforts in the area. As Verizon continues its assessment of the damage, it is starting to look worse than original reports. Verizon hasn't filed an outage report with the FCC, or the FCC has delayed its release. So this is based on Verizon's news conference and news reports. The reports aren't very clear in all the details. The walls of the 140 West ST CO adjacent to the WTO Building 7 were breached when Building 7 collapsed, and the building has flooded and the equipment is covered with debris. 140 West St has no power. Verizon needs to pump out the building because it is 5 stories below ground. Also mentioned is the Broad Street CO, which is experiencing intermittent power problems. The Broad Street CO supplies 80% of the New York Stock Exchange lines, and the West Steet CO serves as the alternate CO supplying 20% of the NYSE lines. The CO's supply 200,000 voice lines and 3 million separate private lines. Although the NYSE had backup facilities, it looks like the disaster in NYC is disrupting service from both CO's. The telecommunication directors of the exchanges have been meeting during the day. According to news reports, Verizon left it unclear why a backup facility somewhere else wouldn't be an adequate substitute for Wall Street's financial community and stock trading. According to one news report, NYSE Chairman Grasso acknowledged that work is needed to come up with a better telecommunications plan in the future.

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Rumor Control, Indeed (was: Re: Rumor Control: Re: 60 hudson may collapse..
by Frank Coluccio 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Sean, All, agreed, we have to hold down the rumors. If someone posts a "I heard so and so," the least you should do is cite the source. re: The 60 Hudson location, Like 140 West Street (adjacent to where 7 WTC once stood), 60H is a brick shit house. It's blocks away from Ground Zero, it has not been hit by significant debris (read as: everything within a half-mile radius has had some form of ash or other office artifacts dropped on it), but 60 H it isn't going anywhere from a structural standpoint. Power and spare parts? That's another story. A number of carrier and other SP tenants at 60 Hudson, btw, have their own generation and vent systems installed in this building, and their individual preparedness for this sort of contingency is on a case by case basis. Smaller SPs who have rented racks or shelves are at the mercy of those who they have rented space and power from. As relates to the Empire State Building: NY Police sniffers, as well as ESB bomb dogs, have already disproved the Empire State affair as a hoax, and folks are now able to roam freely there, once again. We are going to see a lot more of this. My niece, who works in the Brooklyn District Attorney's office, was sent home today due to a bomb scare outside the State Supreme Court building. It, too, was a hoax. What I am still not clear on is the state of 140 West Street, which was once the HQ building for NY Telephone (now Veirzon), which remains standing and operational, from all indications. The Centrex that was once on the 12 floor in the South Tower was supported by the West Street CO. 140 West withstood the same impact that befell 7 WTC, one would think. It's on the corner of West Street and Veesey, separated from what was 7 WTC by a narrow alley. If anyone knows the operational status of 140 West, please post. --FAC > > On Wed, 12 September 2001, Rich Fulton wrote: > > we are hearing that 60 hudson has been evacuated and may collapse. > > > > can anyone give confirmation/details? > > No one is answering the phones at 60 Hudson, but there is a bomb > threat at the Empire State Building and police are evacuating the > surrounding area. > > >

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140 West Street info
by Scott Drassinower 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Verizon gave a press conference on Wednesday afternoon (1pm) with an update on the status of their network in Lower Manhattan, including details about 140 West Street. http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=61409 should work to pull up the entire release, or call 877 519-4471, PIN 2831692. "The West Street facility contains four call-processing computers serving 200,000 access lines and the equivalent of 3 million data circuits in lower Manhattan. Babbio said that while some circuits that serve the Wall Street area go through the building, the company was attempting to by-pass the West Street facility for these circuits. Babbio said the company does not have an estimate on how long it will take to bring the center fully back online. "The building has three or four major holes -- that means water and dirt have gotten in to sensitive computer gear. Babbio said the company also is pumping water from the basement so that it can restore power to the building using generators. Additional switching equipment is on standby." The replay of the conference goes into more detail about the conditions in the building and what they are worried about in terms of cables and hardware being damaged or destroyed. They take care to point out that once the building comes back online, customers still may not get service until additional repair work underground or at customer premises gets completed. A few Verizon employees (installers or repair techs) working on higher floors had not been accounted for at the time of the conference, and there was a somewhat confusing mention of a couple of Genuity employees who may have been with them. The sales and other office folk (about 500) were on lower floors (9-12 or so) of the tower and nearly all have been accounted for. -- Scott M. Drassinower scottd(a)cloud9.net Cloud 9 Internet White Plains, NY +1 914 696-4000 / 800 356-5683 http://www.cloud9.net

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RE: Lack of Security
by Roeland Meyer 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

|> From: Dave Stewart [mailto:dbs@ntrnet.net] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:08 PM |> This is just my feeling, but I honestly believe these |> measures are only |> giving the *appearance* of security, apparently to make the |> general public |> feel better. |> |> I do agree, though, with the comments on network security - |> so many, many |> are much more lax about the security of their networks than |> airports have |> been. As an anecdote, when I came to my current job last |> year, the network |> was wide open. Since, I've placed servers behind firewalls, |> and blocked |> things like NetBIOS (you wouldn't believe the cry that went up from |> customers when I did that - they *want* to use NetBIOS |> shares between |> business offices in various cities) This is exactly the sort of thing you are crying against. There is nothing wrong with PDC shares on the Internet, provided that you know what you are doing and are willing to do the work. Albeit, it works better behind a VPN and it will be much more accessible if you set up a PPTP session. Just to let you know that I am willing to back up my words nslookup 59204364-5b49-41ac-8ada-6dd78ab2ee86._msdcs.mhsc.com. Realize also that more thna half of those boxen are SuSE Linux, running Samba.

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Re: Rumor Control, Indeed (was: Re: Rumor Control: Re: 60 hudson may collapse..
by Sean Donelan 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

On Wed, 12 September 2001, Frank Coluccio wrote: > Sean, All, agreed, we have to hold down the rumors. If someone posts a "I heard > so and so," the least you should do is cite the source. [....] > Veesey, separated from what was 7 WTC by a narrow alley. If anyone knows the > operational status of 140 West, please post. > Source: Verizon News Release Verizon Begins Work to Restore Service at Network Center Damaged in Southern Manhattan Network in New York City and D.C. Continues to Handle Heavy Volumes Sept. 12, 2001 Media contact: Peter Thonis, 212-395-0500 Eric Rabe, 212-395-0500 NEW YORK - Verizon today began work to restore phone service to a major switching center that was damaged as a result of yesterday's attacks on the World Trade Center. Public safety officials this morning allowed the company to re-enter the office which sustained structural and water damage. The center, located at 140 West Street, is adjacent to the devastated area. "We are still assessing the damage and will work around the clock to restore full service to affected customers as quickly as possible," said Larry Babbio, Verizon vice chairman and president. Babbio provided an update on the health of Verizon's networks at a 1 p.m. news conference today. Babbio stressed that while some services to southern Manhattan are impacted by yesterday's attacks, the rest of Verizon's networks on the East Coast and nationwide continue to operate normally. In the New York City and Washington, D.C. areas, calls today continued to run at about 340 million calls, nearly double the normal, he said. "Our network is designed to provide back-up systems, and that redundant capability kept service up for many customers who might otherwise have been out of service," said Babbio. "A good example is New York City's 9-1-1, which is completely redundant and has been working throughout this tragedy." The West Street facility contains four call-processing computers serving 200,000 access lines and the equivalent of 3 million data circuits in lower Manhattan. Babbio said that while some circuits that serve the Wall Street area go through the building, the company was attempting to by-pass the West Street facility for these circuits. Babbio said the company does not have an estimate on how long it will take to bring the center fully back online. "The building has three or four major holes -- that means water and dirt have gotten in to sensitive computer gear. Babbio said the company also is pumping water from the basement so that it can restore power to the building using generators. Additional switching equipment is on standby. Babbio said Verizon has provided hundreds of additional lines for Bellevue and St. Vincent's Hospitals, the New York Police Department and other emergency centers. Babbio said the company has accounted for the vast majority of its 488 employees assigned to the World Trade Center and 40 employees at the Pentagon. Verizon maintains certain communications systems for the U.S. Department of Defense. The Pentagon continues to have communications, however, since the military owns this equipment, Babbio referred questions about damage there to the Pentagon. Verizon is providing additional wireline and cellular circuits to emergency workers and investigators at the site of the Pennsylvania plane crash. The Verizon's wireless network is operating well nationwide. In southern Manhattan, 10 Verizon Wireless cell sites remain out of service, but demand is currently being handled by neighboring cells. During the peak of yesterday's emergency, Verizon Wireless experienced 50 percent to 100 percent more traffic than normal, nationwide, on its wireless network. Currently, volume levels have returned to normal as have blocked and lost calls, even in southern Manhattan. Verizon Wireless has made 5,000 phones available to emergency response authorities. Currently, 800 of them are in use by various authorities. Verizon bolstered its usual force of more than 700 operators serving the Northeast by 50 percent. Over 1,000 operators handled more than four times the normal number of Directory Assistance calls early Wednesday, and 11/2 times the normal calls to "0" services like collect and credit card services. Calls to regular operators were being answered in 2 seconds or less, to assure that trapped victims dialing "0" could reach help quickly. Verizon took a number of steps to assist customers affected by yesterday's attacks. The company yesterday began offering free local calling from all of its 4,000 curbside payphones in Manhattan. The company's GTE Airfone unit also will remove charges for all calls made from aircraft on its phones from 9 a.m. to noon yesterday. Verizon Communications Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) is one of the world's leading providers of communications services. Verizon companies are the largest providers of wireline and wireless communications in the United States, with 125 million access line equivalents and approximately 28 million wireless customers. Verizon is also the largest directory publisher in the world. A Fortune 10 company with about 260,000 employees and more than $65 billion in annual revenues, Verizon's global presence extends to 40 countries in the Americas, Europe, Asia and the Pacific. For more information on Verizon, visit www.verizon.com.

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Rumor Control: Re: 60 hudson may collapse..
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

On Wed, 12 September 2001, Rich Fulton wrote: > we are hearing that 60 hudson has been evacuated and may collapse. > > can anyone give confirmation/details? No one is answering the phones at 60 Hudson, but there is a bomb threat at the Empire State Building and police are evacuating the surrounding area.

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60 hudson may collapse..
by Rich Fulton 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

we are hearing that 60 hudson has been evacuated and may collapse. can anyone give confirmation/details? /rf

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Re: World Trade Center attack
by John Fraizer 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Fixed. Wrong slash. On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Keith Woodworth wrote: > > Oops? > > > The requested URL /\index1.html was not found on this server. > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote: > > |+ > |+ > |+A simple site with pictures detailing the events of September 11, 2001. > |+ > |+http://God-Bless-America.EnterZone.Net/ > |+ > |+--- > |+John Fraizer > |+EnterZone, Inc > |+ > |+ > --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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Red Cross needs assistance....
by Andy Brezinsky 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Red Cross just said they need assistance with tech equipment and services. Many of you expressed intrest in helping eachother, also consider helping the rescue effort. They specifically need: 40 IBM computers and laptops (with NICs) Monitors (with desktops) Any storage solutions 25 10/100 hubs (8+ Ports) 100 Cat5 cables (All lengths) 50 power strips Any IBM-compatible memory Any 3Com wireless NIC cards and LAN products 30 desktop-size UPSs 15 LaserJet printers (HP 1100 or faster) and printer supplies 20 external Zip drives and disks Any diskettes and R/W CDs 5 external CD burners 5 duplex document scanners 25 extension cords any colored tie wraps any Velcro cable wraps 50 Citrix client licenses 12 PCMCIA LAN cards for IBM P20 ThinkPads, preferably 3Com (in addition to those in the new PCs) 50 Microsoft Exchange CALs 35 Microsoft SQL CALs 50 Microsoft Office Professional licenses 15 PC Anywhere licenses DSL lines PDAs with wireless capacity and service Nextel cellphones and service in addition to certified Citrix engineers and Microsoft consultants. Head on over here for more info: http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,23008,3347294,00.html ~Andy Brezinsky

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