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Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies.....
by alex＠yuriev.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

> > > > The intelligence agencies in the United States are the best in the world. > > > > > > Mossad would disagree with you. > > > Ever wondered why no one hijacks El Al flights? > > > > I always thought it was due to two factors: > > > > 1) Proper security design at the airports that make all the obvious single-person > > low-tech attacks fairly unlikely to work, forcing the use of high-tech or > > conspiracy solutions. > > > > 2) The reluctance of anybody to be the on-the-ground part of a conspiracy or > > the seller of a high-tech solution, when you *know* that your continued life > > expectancy is very short unless you plan to spend the rest of your life hiding > > under a bush in one of the more inhospitable jungles of New Guinea. > > Not to mention the fact that ElAl has multiple armed air marshalls on > *every* flight. Right, and they are not afraid to use deadly force immediately. Alex

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RE: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies.....
by Hire, Ejay 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I cannot begin to express how happy I am that the terrorists did not elect to carry-on a briefcase full of Anthrax or Botulinum Toxin. This would have easily magnified the effects of the disaster exponentially. Thought for the day: Botulinum Toxin is a bio-chemical weapon so powerful that 1 pound (properly distributed) would easily obliterate the eastern Seaboard. Manufacturing this "Mega-Weapon" is only slightly more complex than making liquor. -eh -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Biener [mailto:ariel@fireball.tau.ac.il] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:59 AM To: clarke Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies..... On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, clarke wrote: > The intelligence agencies in the United States are the best in the world. This is actually not true. In order for anyone to get world class explosives, they would need to be well connected and to have access to explosives, that is, someone will have to supply them. Among these network of terrorists, some of them deal with supplying explosives, some with aquiring them, some with planning, some with other financial aspects. Like any other military (or large organization), they have a few departments. Most of the people are rather sane, and work in a more or less normal manner to do their "job". The ones carrying out the missions are the vast minority of such an organization. Intelligence gathering should and must be at the preliminary stage, by infiltrating such organizations, in any possible way. An operation of the size the US witnessed involved many people, at all levels of the organization. If the organization was well covered by the CIA/???, then the information would have reached them long time before the actual hit. This is what intelligence is all about. --Ariel > > Get your shit straight! > > ~ Clarke ~ > -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ariel(a)post.tau.ac.il PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html

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OT: San Jose airport open for business
by woody＠zocalo.net 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Duane Wessels and I are at SJC. We counted five United planes at gates and about a dozen Continental, as well as another half-dozen staged out on the tarmac. Other airlines are at the other terminal. All the gate areas are still fenced off and locked. The check-in counter staff believe that all United flights are cancelled for today (Thursday) from all airports, and are currently re-booking for flights starting at 6am Friday, however they're not optimistic about anything departing before 9am Pacific time. -Bill Please excuse the brevity of this message; I typed it on my pager. I could be more loquacious, but then I'd crash my car.

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RE: Executive Order: power restoration
by Stanley, Jon 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I have received unconfirmed reports from vendors of walls collapsing at 60 Hudson, again, unknown if this is true or not. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:30 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Executive Order: power restoration According to CNBC, President Bush has signed an executive order ordering the restoration of power to Wall Street. I can't find it on the Whitehouse.gov website yet. FEMA's website indicates that Con Edision requested additional portable generators. FEMA is shipping them to Manhattan. Any recent word on the power status to the major telecommunication hubs?

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Ron Buchalski 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

During an interview this evening on NBC, Tom Brokaw asked Donald Rumsfeld (Sec. of Defense) whether the US Military would be willing to provide security personnel on commercial jets. He responded that US Military personnel are trained for war, not to be security or police, and would not be deployed as security for commercial airlines. -rb >From: "Deepak Jain" <deepak(a)ai.net> >Subject: RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:53:14 -0400 > > > >I'm inclined to agree. Especially if the Marine is specifically trained for >air-terrorism scenarios, but I can't imagine that is the solution we as a >country will adopt. > >Deepak _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: More CNN reports...
by Jeb R. Linton 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I can confirm the other report... A friend of the family made it out of the second building by leaving after the impact on the first. After the initial impact he started walking down from about 80; the building PA system came on and told them that a plane had struck the other building and that they were safe to return to their offices. For most of his way down he was fighting the tide of people walking back up. :( - Jeb -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of David Charlap Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:06 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: More CNN reports... Roeland Meyer wrote: > > I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that > they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 > minutes. According to: http://www.foxnews.com/images/36149/1_22_wtc_layout.jpg There was 18 minutes between the first crash and the second. People in the second tower who began evacuation as soon as they saw the first crash had enough time to get out (or at least below the level of the fire from the second crash), if they moved quickly. Each tower remained standing for more than an hour after their respective crash (tower 1 remained for 1:45, tower 2 remained for 1:02). More than enough time for people below the fires to evacuate. Of course, those at or above the level of the fire in building one had little chance of escape, and people in wheelchairs may have been trapped, but it is entirely believable if most of everybody else was able to clear out in time. But we won't know for certain for quite some time. -- David

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HOAX: Re: Military asking to ISPs to shut down equipment?
by Sean Donelan 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I haven't heard from the NCS, but this is certainly a hoax. For your information, the procedures telephone carriers follow are documented on the web site http://tsp.ncs.gov/ This is not how such a request would be made. In addition, ISPs are *NOT* currently part of the civil defense, or any of the other federal emergency plans. For the most part, the federal plans are silent about the Internet. So the military doesn't really have a way of making this request to ISPs even if it wanted to do it. Once again, ISPs should attempt to do things out of the ordinary. Jokers have impersonated law enforcement in the past, trying to get information out of ISPs. On Thu, 13 September 2001, "Seth M. Kusiak" wrote: > Has anyone received a request like the one that was I forwarded below? > [Stuff Deleted] > We just received a call from our ISP that they were contacted by Quest > Communications who is a major National ISP who in tern was contacted by the > Military and were asked to shut down a lot of their equipment connecting > clients to the Internet so that there would be more bandwidth. Other ISP > supposedly received the same call. > Get ready for a big outage.... > [More Stuff Deleted]

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Seeking NPA-NXX info for 140 West
by Larry Snyder 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Is there a resource listing the NPA-NXX's served out of that location? thanx, -ls-

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hoaxes, off-topic posts, and common sense
by RJ Atkinson 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hi, It would be very helpful if folks would try to apply common sense to what they hear or see in the media or in anonymous phone calls. It is clear that a number of hoaxes are being perpetrated (or attempted) around the US these days. It would also be helpful if folks would try to keep some operational content in each posting. I know that NANOG traditionally never has any operational content, but -- despite that -- the charter for the list does say it is for operational matters. There are lots of other lists for the other topics to be discussed. Perhaps someone can create a nanog-offtopic@somewhere list that these can be moved to if no other place can be found (if so, please drop ME from the -offtopic version of the list :-). If one MUST post off-topic non-operational stuff so that one won't die, it would help if one put a token (perhaps "[offtopic]" into the Subject: line so that folks can filter appropriately. Now, for my own operational content, I'll note that the US DoD has several separate very large private global IP networks. They also have several other networks built on other technologies, including a private telephone system, ATM desk-to-desk networks, and significant RF/SATCOM communications systems. Some of these are secure networks with cryptography. Others are insecure. The US DoD is NOT normally using the commercial IP networks for its internal or critical traffic (though obviously there are mail bridges so that DoD folks can exchange email with the rest of the Internet and they do browse the web (often via a proxy server or through a firewall) just like other folks at any other business/organisation). So unauthenticated claims via phone/fax/email (all of which are easily forged, absent PGP or other authentication) that one needs to disconnect one's customers "to conserve bandwidth" obviously fail the common-sense test. Thanks, Ran

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Executive Order: power restoration
by Sean Donelan 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

According to CNBC, President Bush has signed an executive order ordering the restoration of power to Wall Street. I can't find it on the Whitehouse.gov website yet. FEMA's website indicates that Con Edision requested additional portable generators. FEMA is shipping them to Manhattan. Any recent word on the power status to the major telecommunication hubs?

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