September 2001 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Not all Men In Black work for the Government (was Re: Carnivore)
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

On Wed, 12 September 2001, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46747,00.html > > How many have installed it? >From what little I know about Carnivore, there are a few odd elements in that story. However, I would point out people have impersonated law enforcement officers in the past in order to gain access to facilities. "Real" law enforcement should never have a problem with you calling a lawyer or contacting the FBI/DOJ to verify their credentials. Use the phone number in the telephone book, not the one on their business card. The Carnivore box is rather limited, and comes with a lot of paperwork. And in all cases, the government must pay for any service they use (circuits, time and materials). If nothing else, there were be paperwork for were to send the bill. There is no "emergency" where law enforcement can't get a judge or other proper authority in time. FBI agents are fairly well trained, and most have a high degree of respect for the law. I've talked to several members of the technical branch, and they've all told me they are willing wait while the lawyers decide what they can and can't do. "Real" law enforcement won't object to you calling your lawyer, and often will assist you contacting your lawyer to speed up the process. If the Men In Black won't let you talk to a lawyer, somethings wrong. The last thing I think the FBI wants to do is trash someone's network, *again*.

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Dave O'Shea 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Federal penitentiaries have among the best security in the world, and use highly invasive searches combined with a very limited access policy and severe limitations about what may be brought into a prison. Weapons, edged and blunt, are still quite common. Any security policy that doesn't put into place measures to deal with threats as they arise is ineffective by definition. Talking sternly to the offender is of questionable value when the offender is a crabby stockbroker annoyed about the inflight meal. Personally, I have a ticket to fly somewhere next week that I purchased for the dirt-cheap price of $140 round-trip. I'm beginning to think I'd be much happier spending twice that to fly on a half-empty plane with a couple of really short-tempered marines sitting towards the back of the plane. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Day [mailto:toasty@temphost.dragondata.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:43 PM > To: John Fraizer > Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog > Subject: Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Howe wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are mechanisms in place that would detect this type of > > > > behavior. (Prebooking multiple flights for the same > individual.) > > > Does a domestic flight require a passport or other form > of positive ID? > > > if not, they could book as many tickets as needed with a > different name per > > > ticket. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Photo identification to get your tickets, period, the end. > > Not necessarily. I've boarded planes several times without > showing a piece > of ID. With the new automated check-in kiosks in several > airports, if you > have no luggage to check-in, you don't see a person at all.. > (You still do > need a credit card in your name though) Both times I left Houston-Bush > International, I had my tickets printed and checked in by > only telling the > attendant my name. (I thought it was very strange, but didn't > question it) > > Many really small regional airports allow you to board > without going through > metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the > destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone, > and can also > board another flight without going through one. > > I'm not saying that these kinds of things are what caused yesterday's > events, or that whoever did this didn't use fake ID's, so I'm > not sure that > strictly enforcing this sort of thing would have mattered anyway. > > > -- Kevin > > >

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Borchers, Mark 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

The best airport security is considered the Israeli airport security organization. A recent article in a travel magazine followed a security expert through the airport as he intentionally did things to "trip" the multiple layers of security. It relies more on trained humans than technology. Of course, the US aviation community is certainly well aware of this, so it is probably not necessary to present solutions to the problems of airport security on NANOG. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave O'Shea [mailto:doshea@telentente.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:44 PM > To: Kevin Day; John Fraizer > Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog > Subject: RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof > > > > Federal penitentiaries have among the best security in the world, and > use highly invasive searches combined with a very limited > access policy > and severe limitations about what may be brought into a > prison. Weapons, > edged and blunt, are still quite common. > > Any security policy that doesn't put into place measures to deal with > threats as they arise is ineffective by definition. Talking sternly to > the offender is of questionable value when the offender is a crabby > stockbroker annoyed about the inflight meal. > > Personally, I have a ticket to fly somewhere next week that I > purchased > for the dirt-cheap price of $140 round-trip. I'm beginning to > think I'd > be much happier spending twice that to fly on a half-empty > plane with a > couple of really short-tempered marines sitting towards the > back of the > plane. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Day [mailto:toasty@temphost.dragondata.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:43 PM > > To: John Fraizer > > Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog > > Subject: Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Howe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are mechanisms in place that would detect this type of > > > > > behavior. (Prebooking multiple flights for the same > > individual.) > > > > Does a domestic flight require a passport or other form > > of positive ID? > > > > if not, they could book as many tickets as needed with a > > different name per > > > > ticket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Photo identification to get your tickets, period, the end. > > > > Not necessarily. I've boarded planes several times without > > showing a piece > > of ID. With the new automated check-in kiosks in several > > airports, if you > > have no luggage to check-in, you don't see a person at all.. > > (You still do > > need a credit card in your name though) Both times I left > Houston-Bush > > International, I had my tickets printed and checked in by > > only telling the > > attendant my name. (I thought it was very strange, but didn't > > question it) > > > > Many really small regional airports allow you to board > > without going through > > metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the > > destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone, > > and can also > > board another flight without going through one. > > > > I'm not saying that these kinds of things are what caused > yesterday's > > events, or that whoever did this didn't use fake ID's, so I'm > > not sure that > > strictly enforcing this sort of thing would have mattered anyway. > > > > > > -- Kevin > > > > > > >

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RE: unblock communications
by Joe Blanchard 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Steven J. Sobol Wrote: >This is my second and final post. Susan, could you please consider >removing Mr. Halmu from the list? I'd like to second that motion. Please consider removing Mr. Halmu from this list. I believe it is in VERY poor taste professionally, or otherwise, to try and capitalize or promote ones personal gains during such events. Simply uncalled for. God bless those victims of this unthinkable tragedy, my prayers are with them and there families. -Joe Blanchard On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, E.B. Dreger wrote: > > Mitch, you're disgusting. I wasn't going to dignify your post > with a response, but I will "me too". To use this to push your > private agenda is unthinkable. I should copy the ultimate > flame, but not even that is sufficient. > > I do, however, refuse to dignify your post with an argument. > Consider Godwin invoked -- and then some. > > My only post on the matter. >

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EAS stations to remain on standby
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

FEMA has requested the primary EAS stations around the country to continue at their current state of heightened readiness. GREETINGS: I HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT POSTURE AT THE PRIMARY ENTRY POINT STATIONS. ALL TESTING OF PEP STATIONS, EQUIPMENT AND PROCEDURES IS SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SUSPENSION OF ALL REGIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL TESTING AS WELL. THREE REASONS FOR THIS ACTION: 1) THE PUBLIC MAY MISINTERPRET THE EAS TEST FOR A REAL EVENT, 2) EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING VERY HIGH AT THIS TIME, WE NEED TO PROVIDE A CALMING INFLUENCE, 3) SHOULD THE EAS NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, AT ANY LEVEL, THE CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION NEED TO BE AVAILABLE TO CARRY EMERGENCY TRAFFIC NOT TEST MESSAGES. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO ALL WHO ARE MANNING THE STATIONS. I KNOW IT IS A SACRIFICE, AND YOU WOULD RATHER BE WITH YOUR FAMILIES AND DEAR ONES, BUT YOUR SERVICE TO THE NATION IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. THANKS AGAIN FOR A JOB YOU ARE DOING VERY WELL. PUTPRUSH SENDS TIMOTHY L. PUTPRUSH, FEMA PEP PROJECT MANAGER

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More CNN reports...
by Terence 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Sun Microsystems occupied 2 whole floors of one tower of the WTC. tcgs

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helping out
by E.B. Dreger 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Greetings all, We're a small outfit at the edge (defaultless, at least :-), but * DNS * Hosting * Router config (including BGP) * MX (primary and backup) * Server config (BSD and Slackware Linux). all come to mind as things that we can contribute. I wish that we could do more (both services and volume), but we'll do what we can. We're in Kansas, FWIW. Seeing all the offers from people willing to help, and being certain that there are those in need, I have an idea: Shall I put together a quick site with database? One that can help play "matchmaker" with volunteer and needy? Eddy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita/(Inter)national Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist(a)brics.com> To: blacklist(a)brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist(a)brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.

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Assistance Offered
by Karyn Ulriksen 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

If my knowledge of networking (WAN/LAN) or systems can be of any help, count me in. I'm in LA, but have the ability to travel for a few days at a time. =========================================== "Decisions should be made in the space of seven breaths." Karyn Ulriksen Valkaryn Internet Group URL: http://www.valkaryn.net email: valkaryn(a)valkaryn.net phone: (714) 330-5719

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Roeland Meyer 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

|> From: Kevin Day [mailto:toasty@temphost.dragondata.com] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:43 AM |> Many really small regional airports allow you to board |> without going through |> metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the |> destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone, |> and can also |> board another flight without going through one. A salient point here is that many reports indicate that firearms were not used. Note also that many "bullet-proof" garments are not always knife-proof (although it takes something on the order of a tanto, stiletto, or a rapier). Stiletto's can be concealed in the tubing of carry-on luggage carriers. Boker now makes ceramic knife blades, as do others. Martial arts training is widely available. I'm going to start looking into fencing classes.

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hands at old slip/focal?
by Charles Sprickman 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Hi, Does anyone have some free hands over there? I've got my dialups back, but it appears our router is dead. I don't have numbers for the switchroom, and i'd like to at least have someone try power-cycling the router. if that doesn't work, can anyone provide temp transit if focal can drag an ethernet drop between our cabinets. going in and replacing the router doesn't seem to be an option. Thanks, Charles | Charles Sprickman | Internet Channel | INCH System Administration Team | (212)243-5200 | spork(a)inch.com | access(a)inch.com

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