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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by John R. Cox 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

http://www.bizarroland.com/images/shotfromspace4.jpg -----Original Message----- From: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> To: George Broadfoot <george(a)laserlink.net> Cc: 'Roeland M.J. Meyer' <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com>; 'Dan Foster' <dsf(a)frontiernet.net>; 'Jeff Weisberg' <jaw(a)Op.Net>; 'nanog(a)merit.edu' <nanog(a)merit.edu>; 'john(a)bestconnect.net' <john(a)bestconnect.net> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Internet 1, Backhoe 0 > > >It doesn't say nanog and the picture is super-geeky and on the front... >How about a sillouetted back-hoe? Point the cross-hairs at the machinery, >not the person. Maybe don't even put a person on the thing. > > >Also, please make sure they are thick, good quality t-shirts. > >scott > > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, George Broadfoot wrote: > >> Be sure to check out the fiber cutting Gopher backhoe shirt >> at www.bizarroland.com > >

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Sprint's filtering
by Sean M. Doran 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

Michael Dillon wrote: | The policies that once were technical policies instituted | by Sean Doran are no longer technical policies but a crass manipulation of | the marketplace to Sprint's advantage as the archives of this list prove | quite amply. Hello, my name is Sean Doran. The reality you seem to forget is that Sprint's holding the line on filtering has been holding the number of prefixes being seen globally to a conveniently small number. Just as the several networks who refuse to listen to announcements of address space not delegated by the IP registries -- or recorded in routing registries as associated with the origin AS -- Sprint's filtering has done some public good as a side-effect of intelligent self-defensive design. A denial of that is merely petty politicking, rather than anything actually rooted in technical issues. Finally, unlike a number of people reading this message, Sprint was largely unaffected by the unfortunate leak of several thousand prefixes by another large provider in the not-too-distant past. On that note, should someone go mad and decide to deaggregate a /8 to the /32 level just for fun, how many of you honestly wouldn't notice because you have *some* sort of prefix-length filtering in place? I'm curious to know in your particular case, Michael, whether you have a concern about the actual act of self-defensive filtering, or whether you are merely arguing that the potential number of prefixes Sprint may see is too low. Oh, wait, you wave the spectre of "clear violation of antitrust" around, so therefore any claim that you are making a _technical_ argument is clearly false. So, I am sure you are unimpressed that I actually hope Sprint undertakes to do *more* filtering, namely to ensure that prefixes can only be originated by ASes to whom the registries have delegated the address space, using a scheme proposed by Tony Li, Yakov Rekhter and Randy Bush, as presented at NANOG and RIPE and in other venues. That they protect themselves and their customers from unintentional routing-table explosions and redistributions into and out of IGPs does some public good is a useful side-effect, but the primary goal is and ought to be self-protection. | But I want to know | why ARIN cannot simply issue an appropriately sized portable block of | addresses to anyone who is legitimately multihomed? Appropriately sized: one /32, please. Legitimately multihomed: I have accounts at two ISPs in Toronto, one ISP in Copenhagen, and two ISPs in Stockholm. I also travel to IETFs and other places with terminal rooms, and would dearly like my laptop never to have to renumber when it changes its location in the topology. My laptop's *users* moreover would really hate to have to adapt to changing IP addresses every time a new provider gets selected. Please campaign for *MY* rights, too, you guys! I feel left out by you big boy regional ISPs who are trying to strangle my enterprise out of existence with your antitrust policies favouring the large and medium-sized over the very small! Sean.

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Backhoes: Solution?
by Adam Rothschild 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

http://www.millburn.net/backhoe2.jpg Sounds like a plan to me. Hopefully, many telco's will catch on, and fast...

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Re: Discussion point: Telco quality?
by Sean Donelan 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

ferguson(a)cisco.COM (Paul Ferguson) writes: >This latest fiber cut just kind of jarred my brain into the >realization of what "telco quality" services really boils down to. > >In the end, all services, both traditional telephony services and >data services, are more alike than people give them credit for. :-) I get a chuckle when I see the Lucent advertisments about making the data network as reliable as the voice network. I understand it is just marketing, but it does show a rather basic misunderstanding of the relationship between voice and data network reliability. I guess it is like most things, the more you learn about a subject the less you really wanted to know about it. Are there similarites between the voice and data networks? Yes. Are there differences between the voice and data networks? Yes. Will the entire telephone system fail? No. Will the entire Internet fail? No. Are there things that can happen to both which will really ruin your day? Yes. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by John R. Cox 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

Anyone like this better http://www.bizarroland.com/images/kill-the-beast.gif or http://www.bizarroland.com/images/kill-the-beast2.gif or this http://www.bizarroland.com/images/killthebeast.gif ? -----Original Message----- From: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> To: George Broadfoot <george(a)laserlink.net> Cc: 'Roeland M.J. Meyer' <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com>; 'Dan Foster' <dsf(a)frontiernet.net>; 'Jeff Weisberg' <jaw(a)Op.Net>; 'nanog(a)merit.edu' <nanog(a)merit.edu>; 'john(a)bestconnect.net' <john(a)bestconnect.net> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Internet 1, Backhoe 0 > > >It doesn't say nanog and the picture is super-geeky and on the front... >How about a sillouetted back-hoe? Point the cross-hairs at the machinery, >not the person. Maybe don't even put a person on the thing. > > >Also, please make sure they are thick, good quality t-shirts. > >scott > > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, George Broadfoot wrote: > >> Be sure to check out the fiber cutting Gopher backhoe shirt >> at www.bizarroland.com > >

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Re: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
by William Allen Simpson 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

> From: Rich Sena <ras(a)poppa.clubrich.tiac.net> > On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > > > Please... this is dead; let's let it stay that way, > > Fu ckrying out loud - I was behind a few hundred noises - hell everyone > else got to piss all over NANOG - damn I get a Mr. Bill for my troubles... > Never reply to a message -- particularly when you get behind -- until you have read _all_ the current messages. WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

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NSI Bulletin 098-013 | gtld server
by David H. Holtzman 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

In a continuing effort to enhance service to the community, Network Solutions has added another gTLD server, f.gtld-servers.net (207.159.77.18) at PAIX, Palo Alto, CA. The server will be operation in the next couple of days. This server will serve the .com, .net and .org domains only. _____________________________________ David H. Holtzman (dholtz(a)internic.net) Sr Vice President of Engineering Network Solutions, Inc.

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OOB Port Utils
by Joe Graham 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

Hello, I was looking for a nice recent OOB port attacker that can attack on any port preferably with some type of confirmation. Additionally if anyone had one with the C source that would be great. The more features the better as I am trying to learn about this type of exploit. Thanks in advance and as I am new to this list please disregard if this is off topic. Thanks again. Joe Graham Joe(a)chironconsulting.com

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Re: [YA] Fwd: Class B Purchase
by Brett_Watson＠enron.net 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

On 10/06/98 08:14:00 PM Michael Dillon wrote: > >Also, to be legitimately multihomed is to be a participant in the core of >the Internet. One could probably come up with a definition of what >technical standards must be met in order to participate in the Internet >core and then extrapolate legitimacy from that. Two 14.4kbps upstream >providers wouldn't fit the bill. where is the "core" of the internet? i'd like to connect to it. > >Note that I am not now and never have been a sheriff in the state of >Kansas. I am actually somebody else who does not work for Best. i *am* from kansas but what's that got to do with the discussion? do i get points for that? :) -brett

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Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Barry Shein 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

We've been having increasing problems with one or more porn sites in the .to domain promoting itself by massive spamming of AOL customers using one of our domains in their From: header thus causing both complaints to us and thousands of bounces from AOL due to bad AOL addresses in their spam lists. Looking at the .to domain I can't help but notice it's heavily laden with what appear to be porn sites (sexonline.to, come.to, xxxhardcore.to, etc.) 1. Performing traceroutes and other analyses seems to indicate that this domain is NOT being used for communication with entities legitimately located (legally, not only geographically) within the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Tonga, as intended. 2. Clearly criminal and malicious activites are arising from sites to which Tonga has provided comfort and sanctuary. 3. Therefore, I call for a process whereby it can be determined as to whether or not it is appropriate to decommission the Tongan domain due to negligence, mismanagement, and having allowed it to become an attractive resource for criminal activities. I do not believe the Tongan domain serves any legitimate purpose as an internet resource. In support of this assertion I want to show you an SMTP conversation with what claims to be the Consulate of the Government of Tonga in San Francisco (This San Francisco office is listed as an official Tongan contact point for visas etc by the US State Dept): world% telnet sfconsulate.gov.to 25 Trying 209.24.51.169... Connected to sfconsulate.gov.to. Escape character is '^]'. 220 colo.to SMTP ready, Who are you gonna pretend to be today? VRFY postmaster 500 Bloody Amateur! Proper forging of mail requires recognizable SMTP commands! -------------------- Viewing the web page for the Tongan Consulate in the US (http://sfconsulate.gov.to) reveals nothing but an ad for a software company, this page ends with: Need a domain name? Contact the Kingdom of Tonga Internet domain name registry. -------------------- Consequently, I assert there is no reason for this domain to exist and it should be removed from the root name servers. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*

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