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Re: Exodus (last post)
by owen＠DeLong.SJ.CA.US 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

> At 09:07 PM 10/7/98 -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 08:31:28PM -0400, chrism(a)postino.raremedium.com > wrote: > >> corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal > >> counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and > harassing". > > > >Heh. Point him to the Bill of Rights. :P > > IANAL, but if they can prove anything he asserted as factual is not true - > and he knew that when he posted - can't they sue him in civil court? Or > something like that? > > Of course, that's pretty hard to prove, but hey, OJ got off. :) > > TTFN, > patrick > > I Am Not An Isp > www.ianai.net > "Think of it as evolution in action." - Niven & Pournelle > I believe you are talking about Libel, and if I recall, that requires the following tests be met: 1. Malice of intent 2. Knowledgeable untruth If either is missing, I believe libel cannot be prosecuted. IANAL either. Owen

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Re: MAE NY?
by Chris Mauritz 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

I must not have found the right guy. Who would that be? 8-) C Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism(a)raremedium.com -----Original Message----- From: <alex(a)nac.net> To: Chris Mauritz <chrism(a)raremedium.com> Cc: TTSG <ttsg(a)ttsg.com>; Geoff Lisk <glisk(a)digisle.net>; <rpa(a)insnet.net>; <amb(a)gxn.net>; <randy(a)psg.com>; <redhead(a)cloudy.lightning.net>; <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 12:56 PM Subject: Re: MAE NY? > >On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Chris Mauritz wrote: > >> The real problem here is that Telehouse either doesn't want or doesn't have >> the ability to give you floor tiles that have holes cut to your spec. They > >Thats not true; you have to ask the right person. > >> basically rummage round and get you a tile with a random-sized hole in it. >> If you're lucky, you get a big hole in the middle. If you're not, you get >> one just big enough to fit your hand through (and risk the jaggies on the >> bottom) at some random spot on the tile. I've thought about keeping a >> sawzall in cabinets there just for the purpose of "customizing floor tiles" >> in the wee hours of the night. 8-) > >I'm sure telehouse would actually not have a problem with that. > >They are generally very accomodating. > >> Chris Mauritz >> Technical Manager, Systems Administration >> Rare Medium, Inc. > >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs. October 26-28, 1998, Atlanta, GA. > Three days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and > brightest. http://www.ispf.com/ for information and registration. > > Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. > Alex Rubenstein, alex(a)nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member > Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer > Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 > Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >

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Re: How o build a backhoe
by Mathias Körber 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

Did you by any chance tape that? One should get permission to put that segment onto the NANOG archives :-) -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Vandry <vandry(a)Mlink.NET> To: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 09:04 Subject: How o build a backhoe >If anyone's watching, on the Red Green show that is currently airing >on CBC (started at 8:30pm EDT), they just showed us how to build a >backhoe from a Cadillac, duct tape, and a Thighmaster. > >Hilarious! > >-Phil >

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How o build a backhoe
by Phillip Vandry 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

If anyone's watching, on the Red Green show that is currently airing on CBC (started at 8:30pm EDT), they just showed us how to build a backhoe from a Cadillac, duct tape, and a Thighmaster. Hilarious! -Phil

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

I just took a peek at the Gomes Gopher shirt. IMHO, it would be a LOT better not to depict *any* person at all. Simply a picture of the back-hoe, bright yellow, in the gun-sights. Make is a hi-tech gun-sight with ranging ranging, azimuth, and elevation markings. The back-hoe should be one of those enclosed driver compartment types so the operator can't be seen. No matter which operator is depicted, someone could construe it as being racially/ personally defamitory. This would prevent many of us from wearing it in the work-place. At 08:00 AM 10/9/98 -1000, scott w wrote: > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Harold Willison wrote: > >> I have a pretty good source for custom tshirts.. >> Picture on the front or back? > > >On the back. Pictures on the front are too geeky. >"Let Fiber Live" under the picture? > > >> Any wording on them? If so.. what? > > >Small font size and small caps "nanog" on the front right top, no pocket. > > > > >You know, wearing this in public is gonna cause "conversation" with the >heavy equipment operators we may meet along the way... :) > ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>rmeyer(a)mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ ___________________________________________ I bet the human brain is a kludge. -- Marvin Minsky

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Re: MAE NY?
by Brett_Watson＠enron.net 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

you're implying that the other 99% of text on this list is somehow nanog's concern? it's amusing to see what topic will spark someone to stand up and yell "this should *not* be discussed on nanog" and then the next post they send out has no more relevance than the one they complain about. ya, ya, and my post is of no relevance either. why buck the trend. -brett alex(a)nac.net on 10/08/98 08:24:10 PM To: Adam Rothschild <asr(a)millburn.net> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu (bcc: Brett Watson/Enron Communications) Subject: Re: MAE NY? How is that any of NANOG's concern? Please read http://www.nanog.org/NANOG.charter.html ... On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Adam Rothschild wrote: > Hmmmm... anyone know if/when www.telehouse.com will be updated to reflect > the presence of 25 Broadway? :) > > Thanks, > -asr > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs. October 26-28, 1998, Atlanta, GA. Three days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. http://www.ispf.com/ for information and registration. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex(a)nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Oct 9 12:00:00 PDT 1998 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 09Oct98 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 021098 52291 031098 52114 041098 52386 051098 52453 061098 52385 071098 52472 081098 52755 091098 52585 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- *** Bogus 100.100.100.0/24 from AS8013 AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 4085 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 1976 (1038 cidr, 938 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 344 announced by AS3561 Largest number of classful routes: 941 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 09Oct98 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS271 346 149 197 56.9% BCnet Backbone AS4293 418 246 172 41.1% IMCI AS2493 356 203 153 43.0% iSTAR Internet, Inc. AS3749 224 75 149 66.5% TECNET AS174 699 567 132 18.9% PSINET AS701 941 814 127 13.5% ALTERNET-AS AS4200 191 98 93 48.7% AGIS-NET AS5668 128 41 87 68.0% CENTURY AS3352 254 174 80 31.5% Ibernet, Internet Access Network AS7046 261 186 75 28.7% UUNET-CUSTOMER AS3221 118 44 74 62.7% EENet Autonomous System AS3804 227 154 73 32.2% Bell Solutions AS4755 116 54 62 53.4% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. India AS4740 390 330 60 15.4% OzEmail ISP AS6335 70 21 49 70.0% NTRNET AS549 187 138 49 26.2% ONet Backbone AS7545 110 62 48 43.6% TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS72 87 39 48 55.2% Schlumberger Information Network AS1239 538 491 47 8.7% SprintLink AS803 77 33 44 57.1% SaskNet Backbone AS852 166 125 41 24.7% AGT Advance Communication AS4539 68 28 40 58.8% NETROPOLIS AS1221 325 285 40 12.3% AARNET-AS AS10928 86 49 37 43.0% UNKNOWN AS10459 47 10 37 78.7% WANSASN AS7122 119 83 36 30.3% MTS ADVANCED Network Policy AS6181 64 30 34 53.1% FUSE-NET AS2707 64 31 33 51.6% WEC AS1273 61 28 33 54.1% ECRC Network AS7496 66 35 31 47.0% Power Up For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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Re: Did the west coast slide into the sea?
by Tony Li 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

SEAN(a)SDG.DRA.COM (Sean Donelan) writes: > Two weeks to go before CCIE lab, and I still am pulling my hair out. > How do you configure PUP? You don't. PUP support was removed in 10.1. ;-) Tony

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

At 08:00 AM 10/9/98 -1000, scott w wrote: > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Harold Willison wrote: > >> I have a pretty good source for custom tshirts.. >> Picture on the front or back? > > >On the back. Pictures on the front are too geeky. >"Let Fiber Live" under the picture? > > >> Any wording on them? If so.. what? > > >Small font size and small caps "nanog" on the front right top, no pocket. I prefer the pocket. I'm not ready to quit smoking yet. ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>rmeyer(a)mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ ___________________________________________ I bet the human brain is a kludge. -- Marvin Minsky

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NANOG 14 MORE HOTEL INFO
by Pam Ciesla 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

The Courtyard by Marriott Downtown is about 1 mile from the Marriott Marquis 404-659-2727. It does have limited rooms available at a lower room rate, however, Saturday, 11/7 is not available. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pam Ciesla 734-936-0172 - phone Merit Network, Inc. 734-647-3185 - fax University of Michigan 4251 Plymouth Road Bldg. I, Suite C Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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