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Re: Discussion point: Telco quality?
by Sean Donelan 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

ferguson(a)cisco.COM (Paul Ferguson) writes: >This latest fiber cut just kind of jarred my brain into the >realization of what "telco quality" services really boils down to. > >In the end, all services, both traditional telephony services and >data services, are more alike than people give them credit for. :-) I get a chuckle when I see the Lucent advertisments about making the data network as reliable as the voice network. I understand it is just marketing, but it does show a rather basic misunderstanding of the relationship between voice and data network reliability. I guess it is like most things, the more you learn about a subject the less you really wanted to know about it. Are there similarites between the voice and data networks? Yes. Are there differences between the voice and data networks? Yes. Will the entire telephone system fail? No. Will the entire Internet fail? No. Are there things that can happen to both which will really ruin your day? Yes. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by John R. Cox 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

Anyone like this better http://www.bizarroland.com/images/kill-the-beast.gif or http://www.bizarroland.com/images/kill-the-beast2.gif or this http://www.bizarroland.com/images/killthebeast.gif ? -----Original Message----- From: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> To: George Broadfoot <george(a)laserlink.net> Cc: 'Roeland M.J. Meyer' <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com>; 'Dan Foster' <dsf(a)frontiernet.net>; 'Jeff Weisberg' <jaw(a)Op.Net>; 'nanog(a)merit.edu' <nanog(a)merit.edu>; 'john(a)bestconnect.net' <john(a)bestconnect.net> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Internet 1, Backhoe 0 > > >It doesn't say nanog and the picture is super-geeky and on the front... >How about a sillouetted back-hoe? Point the cross-hairs at the machinery, >not the person. Maybe don't even put a person on the thing. > > >Also, please make sure they are thick, good quality t-shirts. > >scott > > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, George Broadfoot wrote: > >> Be sure to check out the fiber cutting Gopher backhoe shirt >> at www.bizarroland.com > >

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Re: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
by William Allen Simpson 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

> From: Rich Sena <ras(a)poppa.clubrich.tiac.net> > On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > > > Please... this is dead; let's let it stay that way, > > Fu ckrying out loud - I was behind a few hundred noises - hell everyone > else got to piss all over NANOG - damn I get a Mr. Bill for my troubles... > Never reply to a message -- particularly when you get behind -- until you have read _all_ the current messages. WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

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NSI Bulletin 098-013 | gtld server
by David H. Holtzman 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

In a continuing effort to enhance service to the community, Network Solutions has added another gTLD server, f.gtld-servers.net (207.159.77.18) at PAIX, Palo Alto, CA. The server will be operation in the next couple of days. This server will serve the .com, .net and .org domains only. _____________________________________ David H. Holtzman (dholtz(a)internic.net) Sr Vice President of Engineering Network Solutions, Inc.

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OOB Port Utils
by Joe Graham 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

Hello, I was looking for a nice recent OOB port attacker that can attack on any port preferably with some type of confirmation. Additionally if anyone had one with the C source that would be great. The more features the better as I am trying to learn about this type of exploit. Thanks in advance and as I am new to this list please disregard if this is off topic. Thanks again. Joe Graham Joe(a)chironconsulting.com

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Re: [YA] Fwd: Class B Purchase
by Brett_Watson＠enron.net 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

On 10/06/98 08:14:00 PM Michael Dillon wrote: > >Also, to be legitimately multihomed is to be a participant in the core of >the Internet. One could probably come up with a definition of what >technical standards must be met in order to participate in the Internet >core and then extrapolate legitimacy from that. Two 14.4kbps upstream >providers wouldn't fit the bill. where is the "core" of the internet? i'd like to connect to it. > >Note that I am not now and never have been a sheriff in the state of >Kansas. I am actually somebody else who does not work for Best. i *am* from kansas but what's that got to do with the discussion? do i get points for that? :) -brett

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Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Barry Shein 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

We've been having increasing problems with one or more porn sites in the .to domain promoting itself by massive spamming of AOL customers using one of our domains in their From: header thus causing both complaints to us and thousands of bounces from AOL due to bad AOL addresses in their spam lists. Looking at the .to domain I can't help but notice it's heavily laden with what appear to be porn sites (sexonline.to, come.to, xxxhardcore.to, etc.) 1. Performing traceroutes and other analyses seems to indicate that this domain is NOT being used for communication with entities legitimately located (legally, not only geographically) within the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Tonga, as intended. 2. Clearly criminal and malicious activites are arising from sites to which Tonga has provided comfort and sanctuary. 3. Therefore, I call for a process whereby it can be determined as to whether or not it is appropriate to decommission the Tongan domain due to negligence, mismanagement, and having allowed it to become an attractive resource for criminal activities. I do not believe the Tongan domain serves any legitimate purpose as an internet resource. In support of this assertion I want to show you an SMTP conversation with what claims to be the Consulate of the Government of Tonga in San Francisco (This San Francisco office is listed as an official Tongan contact point for visas etc by the US State Dept): world% telnet sfconsulate.gov.to 25 Trying 209.24.51.169... Connected to sfconsulate.gov.to. Escape character is '^]'. 220 colo.to SMTP ready, Who are you gonna pretend to be today? VRFY postmaster 500 Bloody Amateur! Proper forging of mail requires recognizable SMTP commands! -------------------- Viewing the web page for the Tongan Consulate in the US (http://sfconsulate.gov.to) reveals nothing but an ad for a software company, this page ends with: Need a domain name? Contact the Kingdom of Tonga Internet domain name registry. -------------------- Consequently, I assert there is no reason for this domain to exist and it should be removed from the root name servers. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*

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Re: Stratacom BPX 8600 and New Beetle?!?
by David Diaz 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

Ok Zachary you got me. This is the way we do mobile pops to cover various latas with less equipment. It's hell on the staff here but it beats hot potato routing. Sorry, I couldnt resist everyone, he got me... Dave Zack lunch is on me at next nanog and Ill show you the mobile pop (still cant get the router in there, ideas???) >X-Authentication-Warning: fifo.interlink.net: mzac owned process doing -bs >Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:58:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: Zachary McGibbon <mzac(a)uunet.ca> >X-Sender: mzac(a)fifo.interlink.net >Reply-To: mzac(a)uunet.ca >To: "David Diaz/I.P.O.F.-Netrail, Inc." <davediaz(a)netrail.net> >Subject: Re: Stratacom BPX 8600 and New Beetle?!? >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Status: U > >That depends... was the switch cigarette lighter able to give you enough >power to turn on the switch? Did you have a wireless or satelite link? :) > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, David Diaz/I.P.O.F.-Netrail, Inc. wrote: > >> I squized a Cascade 500 loaded into the hatch of my Stealth and drove 672 >> miles. Technically since that's a 9.6 gig backplane does that qualify my >> car as the fastest sports car? >> >> >> At 6:40 PM -0000 10/6/98, Zachary McGibbon wrote: >> >Well... We tried the ultimate test today. I drove about 140km with a >> >Stratacom BPX 8600 and power supply in the trunk of my 1998 New Beetle >> >(with the back seat folded down). It was a bit hard to get it, but once >> >in it fit quite nicely and didn't move around since it was so heavy. Now >> >all I have to do is try a 7513... >> > >> >Pictures are available at: >> > >> > http://www.northco.net/~mzac/stratacom/ >> > >> >They're a bit dark, but you can see it... >> > >> > >> >Zachary McGibbon >> >Network Management Specialist >> >UUNET WorldCom >> >mzac(a)uunet.ca >> >http://www.uunet.ca/ >> >Phone: (514)875-0010, Fax: (514)875-5735 >> >> >> Thank you, >> David Diaz >> Chief Technical Officer >> Netrail, Inc >> >> email: davediaz(a)netrail.net >> pager: 888-576-1018 >> office: 888-NETRAIL >> >> >> Colo facilities: Atlanta-NAP, Miami, Arlington, Chicago, San Francisco >> 888-NETRAIL for further information >> >> > > >Zachary McGibbon >Network Management Specialist >UUNET WorldCom >mzac(a)uunet.ca >http://www.uunet.ca/ >Phone: (514)875-0010, Fax: (514)875-5735 > Thank you, David Diaz Chief Technical Officer Netrail, Inc email: davediaz(a)netrail.net pager: 888-576-1018 office: 888-NETRAIL Colo facilities: Atlanta-NAP, Miami, Arlington, Chicago, San Francisco 888-NETRAIL for further information

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Re: MAE NY?
by Sean Donelan 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

amb(a)gxn.NET (Alex Bligh) writes: >> core1.nyc>sho env all >> >> Temperature readings: >> chassis inlet measured at 26C/78F >> >> 78F in my cabinet in the inlet seems reasonable to me. > >Well seeing as we're playing this game: > >newyork1>show env all >... > card inlet hotpoint exhaust >RSP(2) 15C/59F 19C/66F 18C/64F > >Brrrr... paix1>show env all card inlet hotpoint exhaust RSP(2) 14C/57F 19C/66F 17C/62F PAIX is the only place I worry about my equipment getting too cold, condensation and such. Anyone know what the dewpoint at PAIX is? Any other entrants in the cold co-locate arena? Of course, WCOM wins for having the hottest POPs. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by David Lesher 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

See: http://www.underspace.com/uf/photolib/index1.htm for ideas... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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