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geographical database of networks
by Matt Hempel 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

Hello Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair. --matt hempel

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by Klydle 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

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DACS vendor
by Peter Polasek 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

We are considering using Digital Access Cross Connect units (DACS) to split T1 local loops into fractional T channels. Given that our current knowledge of DACS does not extend significantly beyond the ability to spell the acronym, I am soliciting advice from the network group for recommended hardware vendors. Cost is not an object, we are primarily concerned with choosing the 'industry standard' manufacturer with the highest reliability and knowledgeable technical support. Please share your experiences (positive or negative) with DACS equipment. In an effort to minimize traffic on the NANOG list, I request that responses be sent to my e-mail address and I will submit a summary when all the votes are in. The vendors under consideration now are Adtran, Eastern Research, StarDAX, and Fisher Price (we have some reservations about the latter product). Thanks in advance, Peter Polasek pete(a)brass.com

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Vendors for central office alarm systems
by Jon Green 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Can anyone suggest a vendor for a standard CO alarm system? Something that provides an audible alarm as well as a television display would be desirable. Thanks -Jon Jon Green 4500 Great America Pkwy Product Marketing Engineer Santa Clara, CA 95054 Nortel Networks (408) 855-3991 (ESN 492) Shasta IP Services Business Unit (408) 855-3801 FAX

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Re: DACS vendor (additional details)
by Ron Buchalski 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Peter, A simpler solution which would require less space, power, money, wire pairs, and administration for your group: 1) Provision a few Channelized DS3s into your LEC network 2) Install Channelized DS3 into your router 3) Let the LEC be responsible for owning/managing the DACS, and provisioning the FT1s/T1s onto the T1s within the channelized DS3s. You'll save the space and power normally required for banks of T1 CSUs and the DACS, and you won't need to manage the crossconnects for the DACS. Circuit-wise, it should cost you less to provision your T1s into your facility via a few DS3s rather than fifty T1s, and you won't eat up your incoming telco wire facilities quickly. >From: Peter Polasek <pete(a)cobra.brass.com> >To: Richard Newcomb <rnewcomb(a)pathone.net> >CC: Peter Polasek <pete(a)cobra.brass.com>, nanog(a)merit.edu,Derrick Bishop ><derrick(a)cobra.brass.com> >Subject: Re: DACS vendor (additional details) >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:05:05 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Richard Newcomb wrote: > > > Peter, > > > > What is your configuration need, and capacity(payload) requirement > > regarding bandwidth. Also, one would need to understand how many > > DS0's (zeros) per DS1 you wish to split, and if any of them will > > need to be paired, as in dual channel ISDN. > > > > Richard Newcomb > >Richard, > >Thanks for your response. I should have provided more details in >my message. I am CC'ing this response to the group so that these >details are clear. I have already received several useful responses >and will issue a summary when the message frequency drops. > >We will be splitting T1's into 128's, 256's, ... (not 56Kb lines >because the lower bandwidth lines have 56Kb local loops). The T1 >lines would typically be split into a maximum of eight various >speed ports (128-512, occasionally 56, but not typically). I am >assuming that products exist to split directly into a 256Kb without >requiring that multiple 56's to be bundled, but this may not be the >case (I would appreciate clarification on this point). We may >subsequently use it for 56K lines, so a chassis that supports both >8-way and 24-way cards is helpful. Approximately 50 T1's are currently >candidates for splitting to lower bandwidth. Our preference is to use >multiple small capacity DACS rather than larger 'megaDACs' to minimize >the impact of a chassis failure. We will have at least one unpopulated >hot spare in each location. > >Thanks, >Pete > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > We are considering using Digital Access Cross Connect units (DACS) > > to split T1 local loops into fractional T channels. Given that > > our current knowledge of DACS does not extend significantly beyond > > the ability to spell the acronym, I am soliciting advice from the > > network group for recommended hardware vendors. Cost is not an > > object, we are primarily concerned with choosing the 'industry > > standard' manufacturer with the highest reliability and knowledgeable > > technical support. Please share your experiences (positive or > > negative) with DACS equipment. In an effort to minimize traffic on > > the NANOG list, I request that responses be sent to my e-mail address > > and I will submit a summary when all the votes are in. The vendors > > under consideration now are Adtran, Eastern Research, StarDAX, and > > Fisher Price (we have some reservations about the latter product). > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter Polasek > > pete(a)brass.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by Pascal Gosselin 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Nanog-17 attendees, As co-host for NANOG-17, we hope to make your stay in Montreal a memorable one. We are planning a few activites to take place during the pre-NANOG weekend. Hopefully many of you will be flying in a day or two early to get a chance to see our beautiful 357 year old city, with its french culture and unique attractions. Due to the large number of attendees, I would appreciate some quick feedback on interest on the following activities so that we may book enough spaces and transportation for each activity: Visit: Teleglobe International Network Operations Center, Sunday morning and after tutorials on Sunday. This is a futuristic NOC complete with giant sized video screens, etc.... FREE 10am, 11am, 6pm. Fun: Indoor all-weather Go-Karting (9 horsepower go-karts, the most powerful available indoors). Includes overalls, helmet, computerized timing, warm-up, qualifications and final race. Three sessions totalizing 30 minutes of driving time. Podium with trophies and/or medals, etc.... 9pm to midnight on Sunday night. Cost: $35 CDN ($24 USD) per person, free transportation courtesy of Nortel Networks. More fun: Informal pub crawl for Saturday night. Visits to pubs/clubs on Crescent street and Old Montreal. Pay-you-own-beer. Night life: If the weather is good and there is enough interest, visit to Montreal's rooftop nightclub, Altitude 737 (awesome view, and you get to walk on the roof of Montreal's tallest building, which also houses one of the world's most powerful rotating searchlights). Saturday night, modest cover charge (about $10 CDN). Pay-your-own-drinks. Outdoors: if enough people are interested and the weather cooperates, climbing (hiking, really) of Mont St-Hilaire, nice 1000 foot or so mountain about 30 minutes east of Montreal. Free transportation. SATURDAY. Email me directly so that I may evaluate demand for each activity. We'll be putting up an e-commerce web site early next week to book the Go-Karts. Pascal Gosselin President Mlink Internet +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Pascal Gosselin Montréal, Québec, Toronto, Ottawa, Hull, pascal(a)Mlink.NET Calgary, Vancouver tel.(514) 861-3737 Mlink Internet Inc. http://www.Mlink.NET/ fax.(800) MLINK-84 tel. (888) MLINK-56

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Draft Agenda for Montreal
by Susan R. Harris 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Bonjour - here's the draft agenda for NANOG17. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Draft Agenda: NANOG 17 October 3-5, Montreal ** MC for NANOG17 - Return Performance by Bill Norton! ** Sunday, October 3 Tutorials ----------------- 1:00 - 4:00 p.m. Routing Policy Specification Language/IRR Tutorial Cengiz Alaettinoglu, ISI 1:00 - 3:00 p.m. Introduction to MPLS Peter Ashwood-Smith, Nortel 3:30 - 5:30 p.m. Deploying Distributed Content Caching in Large IP Networks Andrew Khoo and Adrian Chadd, Versatel Telecom 3:30 - 5:30 p.m. OSPF Goodies for ISPs Howard Berkowitz, Gett Communications Monday, October 4 ----------------- 9:00 a.m. Welcome, Introductions, Future Meetings Susan R. Harris, Merit Gregory Soo, Nortel Pascal Gosselin, Mlink Internet 9:15 a.m. Traffic Engineering Panel: Perspectives From Network Operators Ed Kern, Digex, moderator Alan Hannan, GlobalCenter Andrew Partan, Verio Hank Kilmer, Intermedia Communications Curtis Villamizar, Avici 10:45 a.m. BREAK 11:00 a.m. Building Network Monitoring Systems with RRDtool Tobias Oetiker, CAIDA 11:45 a.m. Using Remstats for Network and Server Monitoring Thomas Erskine, Communications Research Centre 12:00 p.m. LUNCH 1:30 p.m. Managing Multicast Services - A User's View John Robinson & John Stewart, Communications Research Centre 2:00 p.m. Optical Networks for the Rest of Us: Recent Developments in Canada's Research Networks Bill St. Arnaud, CANARIE 2:45 p.m. The HOW-TO Guide to Building Your Own Fiber Network: An ISP Perspective Yves Le Borgne, RISQ Robert Proulx, IMS Expert Conseils 3:30 p.m. BREAK 3:45 p.m. News from the Exchange Points PAIX.Net - Paul Vixie, Internet Software Consortium 6TAP - Florent Parent, Viaginie Ameritech NAP - Andrew Schmidt, Ameritech The MAEs - Steve Feldman, MCI WorldCom Ames Exchange - Lance Tatman, NASA Ames Research Center 4:45-5:00 p.m. Update on the RADB Internet Routing Registry Service Craig Labovitz, Microsoft 5:30-7:30 p.m. Beer n' Gear! Monday Evening BOFs ------------------- 7:30 - 9:00 p.m. Peering BOF Bill Norton, Equinix 7:30 - 9:00 p.m. How to Be a Local NANOG Host Lucy Lynch, University of Oregon 9:00 - 9:45 p.m. Inter-Provider Cooperation for MEDs and Best-Exit Routing Patrick Gilmore, PGExpress Avi Freedman, AboveNet 9:00 - 10:30 p.m. Conveying Clue: Educating New Staff and Customers Howard Berkowitz, Gett Communications Tuesday, October 5 ------------------ 9:00 a.m. Content-Friendly Caching: A Content Hoster's Guide to the HTTP/1.x Specifications Solom Heddaya, InfoLibria 9:30 a.m. Panel: Current and Next-Generation Content Distribution Techniques Bill Norton, Equinix, moderator Evan Baer, SkyCache Jonathon Seelig, Akamai Holly Pease, Digital Island 10:45 a.m. BREAK 11:00 a.m. Spam Update Paul Vixie, Internet Software Consortium 11:15 a.m. BIND and DNS: The Moving Targets Paul Vixie, Internet Software Consortium 11:30 a.m. TBA 12:00 p.m. LUNCH 1:30 p.m. Filling the Gap: Provisioning Bandwidth Between T1 and T3 Joshua Sakov, Tiara Networks 2:00 p.m. CenterTrack - An IP Overlay Network to Facilitate Packet Tracing Robert Stone, UUNET 2:30 p.m. Closing Remarks Susan R. Harris, Merit

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by Gerry McDonald 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

I have a question... I am currently expanding our network to accommodate a T1 to the Internet and a 512K frame connection to our WAN.. I need to purchase a router and spoke to several vendors. I have heard conflicting stories regarding the model of Cisco router I should get. One vendor <vendor a> tells me that I should get a 2620 with 2 Wan Ports and the other vendor <vendor b> is telling me that I might compromise my security by using one router for WAN and Internet connections. Their suggesting that I get 2 routers one for my Wan and another for the Internet connection... Vendor B is telling me that it would be possible to enter our wan without touching our firewall should someone be able to hack into our IOS on the router... I decided to go the experts... I would appreciate any helpful suggestions. Thanks... -Gerry

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NANOG 17
by Pam Ciesla 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Thank you everyone for your interest in the NANOG Meetings. NANOG 17 registration is closed. We had a maximum of 500 for seating and have already pass that. There will absolutely be NO walkins for this meeting. Maybe it's the location! Pam Ciesla Pam Ciesla Merit Network,Inc. 734-936-0172 - phone 4251 Plymouth Road 734-647-3185 Bldg.I, Suite C pam(a)merit.edu Ann Arbor, MI 48107

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Re: DACS vendor (additional details)
by Peter Polasek 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Richard Newcomb wrote: > Peter, > > What is your configuration need, and capacity(payload) requirement > regarding bandwidth. Also, one would need to understand how many > DS0's (zeros) per DS1 you wish to split, and if any of them will > need to be paired, as in dual channel ISDN. > > Richard Newcomb Richard, Thanks for your response. I should have provided more details in my message. I am CC'ing this response to the group so that these details are clear. I have already received several useful responses and will issue a summary when the message frequency drops. We will be splitting T1's into 128's, 256's, ... (not 56Kb lines because the lower bandwidth lines have 56Kb local loops). The T1 lines would typically be split into a maximum of eight various speed ports (128-512, occasionally 56, but not typically). I am assuming that products exist to split directly into a 256Kb without requiring that multiple 56's to be bundled, but this may not be the case (I would appreciate clarification on this point). We may subsequently use it for 56K lines, so a chassis that supports both 8-way and 24-way cards is helpful. Approximately 50 T1's are currently candidates for splitting to lower bandwidth. Our preference is to use multiple small capacity DACS rather than larger 'megaDACs' to minimize the impact of a chassis failure. We will have at least one unpopulated hot spare in each location. Thanks, Pete > Original Message: > ----------------- > We are considering using Digital Access Cross Connect units (DACS) > to split T1 local loops into fractional T channels. Given that > our current knowledge of DACS does not extend significantly beyond > the ability to spell the acronym, I am soliciting advice from the > network group for recommended hardware vendors. Cost is not an > object, we are primarily concerned with choosing the 'industry > standard' manufacturer with the highest reliability and knowledgeable > technical support. Please share your experiences (positive or > negative) with DACS equipment. In an effort to minimize traffic on > the NANOG list, I request that responses be sent to my e-mail address > and I will submit a summary when all the votes are in. The vendors > under consideration now are Adtran, Eastern Research, StarDAX, and > Fisher Price (we have some reservations about the latter product). > > Thanks in advance, > Peter Polasek > pete(a)brass.com

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