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RE: MGE UPS Systems
by ryan.slater＠tac.com 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Take this with the grain of salt that I do not work for APC, but for a sister company. The word that I have heard is that they are in no rush to discontinue any of the product line. In fact rumor is that APC was very happy to have the MGE products available to them for sale to customers. As a side note I have several MGE UPS in service and have had zero problem getting support and maintenance from APC for them. RS

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Please do not CC NANOG when e-mailing Dean Anderson [was: Can someone from SORBS contact me offlist?]
by Patrick W. Gilmore 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

[SNIP] Everyone, Please do not CC nanog(a)nanog.org when replying to one of Dean Anderson's ... uh ... missives[*]. We do not see the original, so by replying and CC'ing the list, you are helping him get his ... er ... message[*] to a wider audience. And if you have actually read any of his ... umm ... posts[*], then you should realize that is to the list's detriment. I'd suggest the same for other lists too, but definitely for NANOG related stuff. -- TTFN, patrick [*] I have been very careful to not call them what they really are for fear of the MLC. :)

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MGE UPS Systems
by Seth Mattinen 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

I'm curious if anyone might know what the future of the MGE line of UPS systems are. My concern is that they're dead-end since being merged into APC, and APC wanting to sell me APC stuff. The problem I face is that my facility was designed with separate equipment spaces, which is great for normal electrical gear that can be backed against a wall, but not so great for a product which is designed for the "everything goes in with your racks" mindset. Any insight would be appreciated. ~Seth

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Re: MGE UPS Systems
by Adam LaFountain 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

> > I'm curious if anyone might know what the future of the MGE line of UPS > systems are. My concern is that they're dead-end since being merged into > APC, and APC wanting to sell me APC stuff. The problem I face is that my > facility was designed with separate equipment spaces, which is great for > normal electrical gear that can be backed against a wall, but not so > great for a product which is designed for the "everything goes in with > your racks" mindset. Any insight would be appreciated. I heard the MGE product set was designed to replace the "typical/old" UPS product sets, like the Silcon Series, and that APC branded units would be concentrated on the "Symmetra" product line. Keep in mind the Symmetras above around 30kva are self contained units that are really racked in the same rack as other equipment.

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H3C Switches/Routers
by Justin Krejci 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Nanog, I was just looking at the H3C 12500 enterprise product for which I received a slideshow presentation on its features and comparisons to Nexus 7018, Foundry/Brocade RX32, Juniper EX8218 and Force10 E1200. It does not look like they have a significant market share but make a lot of bold claims on side-by-side comparisons to comparable products from their competition. Is anyone using H3C products (enterprise or otherwise) here at all? If so, what are your thoughts on them? Are there any noticeable drawbacks? Performance issues? Support? Just an overall summary would be nice. Thanks, Justin Krejci

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3rd Party Router Comparisons and Testing
by Brad Fleming 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone has a good, trusted, non-partial source for 3rd party testing and/or comparisons of the major routing hardware vendors. I'm willing to pay for a subscription / membership to an organization if the information is well assembled recent. Specifically, I'd like (love) to see a comparison between Juniper MX series, Cisco 6500/7600 series, Brocade XMR/MLX series, and any others that I don't even know about. If your company has recently (say the past 18 months?) completed an analysis and you can provide the results, I can keep them private (this is only for my use, not official decision making). Does anyone happen to have a source they would be willing to pass along? Thanks in advance for any suggestions! -- Brad Fleming Kansas Research and Education Network

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NANOG 47 announcements
by David Meyer 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Folks, A few announcements: (i). Thank everyone again for attending NANOG 46. The NANOG 46 survey is open for one more week. If you haven't taken the survey yet, please see http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=MHjaY6hu6bwNs_2bpmca_2fc_2fQ_3d_3d (ii). Exciting news about NANOG 47 in Dearborn. The NANOG PC has been working with ARIN and the results are an exciting CFP. Please see http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/callforpresent.php (iii). Registration is open for NANOG 47. Please see https://nanog.merit.edu/registration. (iv). The NANOG 47 hotel link is up. Please see http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/hotel.php (v). NANOG 47 Meeting sponsorships are now being accepted (as always, sponsorship is critical to NANOG's success). Please see http://nanog.org/sponsors. We're looking forward to seeing you all in in Dearborn. Dave (for the NANOG PC)

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OEMs for X2 10G LAN PHY optics
by Duane Waddle 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Hi, I am searching for opinions on OEMs of X2 form factor 10G LAN PHY optics. We've found that most router/switch vendors mark these particular items up significantly just to provide their own sticker/EEPROM ID. As such, we'd prefer if we can to procure from the OEM (or their reseller). Is this a situation where any company who's a signatory to the MSA produces suitable modules, or are there particular OEMs to prefer (or avoid)? If it matters, the prime platform we're looking to plug optics into is the WS-X6708-10G module for a 6500/7600. Thanks in advance --Duane

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BGP Growth projections
by Mark Radabaugh 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (<1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3 become legacy?). Lot's of choices for routers that can handle the existing BGP tables - but not so much in small platforms (1-10Gb traffic) if you assume that IPv6 is going to explode the routing table in the next 5 years. The manufacturers still seem to think low traffic routers don't need much memory or CPU. What projections are you using regarding the default free zone over the next 5 years when picking new hardware? -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex 419.837.5015 x21 mark(a)amplex.net

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DDOS Followup
by Charles Wyble 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

I had a pleasant chat with tier 2 support and they changed my IP range. All is now well. Thanks to all who replied.

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