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by NANOG Mail List Committee 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

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Re: Can someone from SORBS contact me offlist?
by Robert Bonomi 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick(a)ianai.net> > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:58:35 -0400 > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:34:18 -0500 > > William Pitcock <nenolod(a)systeminplace.net> wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 11:11 -0600, Brielle Bruns wrote: > >>> On 7/11/09 11:05 AM, Ronald Cotoni wrote: > >>>> Yes, they are really bad. It is actually quite silly that a > >>>> blacklisting service is that slow on responding to problems. > >>> > >> <snip> > >> > >> Also, I believe SORBS are the ones that require a donation to get > >> out if > > > > A 'required donation' sounds like a ransom to me. > > You make the donation to a "registered charity", not to SORBS. > Michelle never sees a dime, nor does anyone else associated with SORBS. Note: the -only- thing the charitable donation 'buys' is "expedited processing" of the removal request. If the "problem" still exists, then the listing is not removed. It's not like you can 'buy your way off' the list. > You can still call it a ransom if you like, I won't even argue, but in > fairness I thought it was useful to make that distinction. 'Ransom' is _not_ an accurate description. Among other things it implies that the ransomer has possession of your property and you are paying for it's safe return. The 'best-fit' technical term would be 'extortion' -- SORBS operator _has_ consulted professional counsel on the matter, and has reason to believe that the exact form of what they do _is_ within the law. (I've had direct conversations with Michelle on that specific point -- it's 'closer to the line' than _I_ would care to operate. :) I mention that strictly from the standpoint that those who use descriptive terms which carry an implication of 0 action are _themselves_ likely crossing the line as regards libel/slander/defamation. Lastly, I'm going to suggest that this is drifting rather afar OT from the charter of the group, and suggest that the MLM may want to put the kibosh on this thread.

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New IPv6 Interview: David Freedman of Claranet
by Alex Band 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

We recently added another IPv6 interview to our ipv6actnow.org and youtube pages. This time David Freedman talks about their planning and deployment, including addressing plans and training, as well as the MPLS issues that they faced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQtbz1ahRxE We plan to have interviews with Google up soon, as well as XS4ALL; the dutch ADSL provider who started rolling out IPv6 capable CPEs. Enjoy, Alex

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AT&T and having two BGP peers
by Jay Nakamura 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

We are getting an Ethernet DIA circuit from AT&T but they insist that they can't BGP peer with 2 routers on our side. The WAN circuit can only have /30 they say. Has anyone been able to successfully talk them in to bending their rule? If so, how? I know this should have been negotiated before signing a contract but I was unfortunately not in the loop... :( It seems like a ridiculous bureaucratic restriction.

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Swedish bittorrent dropped 40Gbps with an EU law? (DCMA -like)
by Charlie Allom 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

Hello, I am interested in a claim made[1] that with the implementation of EU Directive 2004/48/EC [2] that Swedish traffic dropped 40Gb/s: http://stats.autonomica.se/mrtg/sums/All.html Could this really mean that everyone in Sweden just 'turned off their bittorrent clients' on the 1st of April? It seems to me that its more likely a large peer has pulled out or closed a service. Does anyone have some interesting ideas on where to get a more balanced view on where that traffic went on the 1st of April? If you look at AMS-IX and LINX, there is a dip - but its hard to see from so high up. https://stats.linx.net/cgi-pub/aggregate-year https://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/cgi-bin/16all?log=totalall;png=yearly Perhaps also there is a cultural difference with Swedes being more prone to follow the law? Like a speed camera effect. What do people think? 1. http://www.swedishwire.com/business/506-illegal-filesharing-dives-in-sweden 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_the_enforcement_of_intellectual_p… -- 020 7729 4797 http://blog.playlouder.com/

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"OT" Sprint Outsourced It's Entire Network Wireless and Wireline?
by Elijah Savage 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

I had been told about the wireless business but the bottom of this announcement says wireline also. How did I miss this announcement? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10283799-94.html

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Can someone from SORBS contact me offlist?
by Ronald Cotoni 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

I need to resolve some issues that we are having with you guys but there is a lack of timelyness with your contact forms, 28 days is simply unacceptable :(

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Metro Ethernet Provider in Atlanta
by Jared Mauch 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

Can you please provide responses off-list? If someone wants a summary, I'm happy to post it later. Thanks, - Jared possible bonus points for having S&D be on-net. More details available.

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Re: several messages
by Ronald Cotoni 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

And I still have yet to get someone from sorbs to contact me off list. I wonder if they actually read email (highly doubtful at this point)

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Public/testing 4to6 gateway?
by Rick Ernst 14 Jul '09

14 Jul '09

Either they don't exist, or my Google-fu is particularly bad this morning. I'm trying to get my toes wet with IPv6. I've established an internal 6to4/4to6 tunnel. I'd also like to have a testbed for access to public v6 sites. I'm also trying to find some clue at my upstreams, but figured I'd ask here as well. Are there any 4to6 gateway available? I have assigned v6 space. Thanks,

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