April 2014 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

altdb
by Michael T. Voity 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

I hate to ask via this route... Could someone from altdb.net please contact me off list? Thanks, -Mike -- Michael T. Voity Network Engineer University of Vermont

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Phase 4.
by Bryan Socha 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

Whats the big deal???? If your just arin, dont panic. Akamai and digitalocean has been the only people aquire fair priced v4 putside arin. So arin is ending. It doesnt stop anything. be smart 3 usd per ip is fair if dirty. F the auct8ons they are fake and we get the ips lower than op3ning. Icann is the mast 8 class as real? Distribute them ,

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Bouygues Telecom
by James Baldwin 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

Does anyone have a network engineering contact at Bouygues Telecom? It appears they are unable to route to SunGard EU space. James Baldwin

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RE: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post
by Brandon Butterworth 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

> $ContentProvider pays for transit sufficient to handle the traffic > that their customers request. $EyeballNetwork's customers pay it for > internet access, i.e. to deliver the content that they request, e.g. > from $ContentProvider. That covers both directions here But isn't the whole picture, there are other factors such as $ContentProvider has to cover the cost of content, selling it vs their competitors (as unlike $EyeballNetwork the $Customer has a choice of who to use, and as everything on the net is free they may have a hard time living off their paywall) Even if a CDN cost $ContentProvider the exact same as $EyeballNetwork thinks it should cost to deliver, $EyeballNetwork would still want to be the one paid instead. Who decides if $EyeballNetwork price is reasonable? There is no incentive for them to be efficient, there is no competition - this is partly why provider CDNs have failed, once you put your 50% of internet traffic on their CDN they will not maintain their links to other CDNs at similar capacity so you can never go back, prices will stay high The point of having disruptive technolgy and business models is that they will disrupt and take us to a new, hopefully better, place. No opt out if you happen to be the disruptee. $EyeballNetwork should take care, if $ContentProvider is 50% of their traffic and are being charged lots then $ContentProvider may decide they can do the job better themselves and take over as $EyeballNetwork (such as google fibre). Monopolies who want to remain one should not incentivise new competitors. While this is all open to be gamed disputes over perceived inequality result leaving a mess so I can see why the FCC may decide there is no solution other than let the market decide. brandon

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Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post
by Larry Sheldon 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

On 4/26/2014 3:01 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon(a)cox.net> > wrote: >> Monopolies can not persist without regulation. > > This is absolutely false. Regulating monopolies CAN protect > monopolies, but that’s not always the outcome. > > Monopolies absolutely can persist without regulation. Except in the > most highly dense population areas, there is not a sufficient market > to support the deployment of more than one copy of a given media type > to that population. As a result, there is, in most places, a natural > monopoly in each media type, whether that’s electrical, water, cable, > twisted pair, fiber, etc. Sounds like the market at work, not monopoly power......I've never heard the term "monopoly" used where the market contains all the players that want to play. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track
by Mehmet Akcin 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

Hello everyone, As a Washington State resident, I look forward to seeing all of you in beautiful Bellevue, WA for NANOG 61. I am trying to organize the DNS Track and as usual we would like to make this very attractive. If you are interested in presenting in DNS Track please contact me directly (off-list ). Best regards Mehmet

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Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track
by Larry Sheldon 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

On 4/26/2014 8:56 PM, James R Cutler wrote: > To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. Amen. Also to engineer wannabees. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post
by Larry Sheldon 26 Apr '14

26 Apr '14

On 4/26/2014 3:11 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > In my neighborhood, Comcast has a monopoly on coax cable tv and HFC > internet services. There are no regulations that support that > monopoly. Another company could, theoretically, apply, receive > permits, Wait! What? Like if I want to build a pipeline to compete with your friends railroad? -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post
by Larry Sheldon 26 Apr '14

26 Apr '14

On 4/24/2014 10:23 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > The invisible hand of the market cannot fix problems when there is a monopoly. > > Put in economic terms, a player with Market Power is extracting Rents. (Capitalization is intentional.) > > Regulating monopolies allows a market to work, not the opposite. > Regulating monopolies protects monopolies from competition. Monopolies can not persist without regulation. A regulated monopoly is a monopoly, with all of the powers granted to monopolies by regulation. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Pluggable Coherent DWDM 10Gig
by Tim Durack 26 Apr '14

26 Apr '14

Anyone know if pluggable coherent DWDM 10Gig optics exist? (I'm finding no such thing.) How about narrow-band/filtered receive 10Gig optics? (Inline FBG filter receive side might be doable?) -- Tim:> p.s. Before you ask, DTAG Terastream has got me thinking...

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