September 2006 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

RE: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
by Lasher, Donn 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Jack Wrote: >I'm curious why you converted to RWHOIS. I SWIP'd my entire network to get my assignments. Many large ISPs still SWIP. > I didn't have time to mess with RWHOIS. Control. Auditing. We got tired of spending countless resources trying to keep track of what we had, what ARIN thought we had, how to make the two match, how to modify it, etc. I don't know what ARIN's stats are, but I would imagine they have some VERY low number (I'd guess 5%) of IP XXX forms that are approved on the first try. I personally have a 0% success rate, and I spent a year or two in college.... With RWHOIS your IP usage data is internal, easily searchable, modifyable without going through email ping-pong with ARIN. We (at a previous employer)used a 3rd party integration program which stored the data in a database, then wrote out the rwhois file structure, which helped eliminate some of the pain of using the rwhois daemon by itself. It made any new IP address requests far easier, since we could do a complete self-audit before we ever asked ARIN for more space. I have to believe they far prefer that method of customer IP interaction as well. They don't have to chase virtual-paper forms around...

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Re: Q on what IGP routing protocol to use for supplying only gateway a ddress
by Fergie 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

..and from an operational perspective, GLBP works relatively well. $.02, - ferg -- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)cisco.com> wrote: On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:35 AM, william(at)elan.net wrote: > Any suggestion as to what IGP protocol is best for this scenario? This is more of a cisco-nsp question, but probably OSPF, as it's supported by the routing daemons on most *NIXes out of the box. I don't know about Windows. Are you doing anycasting or something? If simple redundancy in the default gateway is the goal, another (and probably simpler) method is to implement HSRP or GLBP between your routers which are serving the hosts in question. [snip] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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[Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]
by Chris Jester 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

I am looking for anyone who has input on possibly the largest case regarding internet numbering ever. This lawsuit may change the way IP's are governed and adminstered. Comments on or off list please. Anyone have experiences like are said in the lawsuit? I would love to know if this is true or not. Anyone with negative ARIN experiences that relate to the lawsuit, please let me know, thanks! For thos interested, you may read this lawsuit here: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:44uxmnEmJVkJ:www.internetgovernance.org… Or google for Kremen VS Arin Chris Jester Suavemente, INC. SplitInfinity Networks 619-227-8845 AIM: NJesterIII ICQ: 64791506 Chris Jester Suavemente, INC. SplitInfinity Networks 619-227-8845 AIM: NJesterIII ICQ: 64791506 NOTICE - This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are only for the use of the person to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail in error. Any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying or dealing in any way whatsoever with this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please reply immediately by way of advice to us. It is the addressee/recipient duty to virus scan and otherwise test the information provided before loading onto any computer system. Suavemente, INC. does not warrant that the information is free of a virus or any other defect or error. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Suavemente, INC.

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Kremen's Buddy?
by Not Localhost 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

"Chris Jester, the owner of hosting service provider Split Infinity, has been working with Kremen in trying to locate Cohen, whom Jester says is currently in Tijuana." http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Web_Exclusive_News&Ac… ---in case anyone has not googled mr. chris jester, please realize he is a buddy of gary kremen and is just looking to stir up dirt. IANAL, and neither are 99.9% of the rest of us here, so let's leave this to the lawyers and get back to discussing something like network operations. Michele _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! Its easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

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required fields
by bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

so... for registration for NANOG, i am REQUIRED to specify a tee-shirt size before being allowed to proceed. i've seen silly stuff in my day, but this might take the cake. as a suggestion, if you (and you know who you are) insist on requiring folks to specify clothing preferences/styles before allowing them to register for a network operational conference you -might- allow them to opt-out by specifing NONE. as usual, YMMV --bill

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RE: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
by Lasher, Donn 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

>Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >>Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're >>new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is >>absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring >>intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe. >>Hank Said, >>I recently had to do the ARIN process for a customer from beginning to end. Never had experience with ARIN, >>nor its methods or templates (only RIPE experience). >>Took 5 weeks to get a /19 and then an additional 4 weeks to get the ASN. YMMV. YMMV, but my mileage has been just as bad yours, in some cases worse. Converting from swip's to RWHOIS took 6 months. ARIN is painful. Overly painful for someone who you pay for the right to USE IP addresses on a yearly basis.... Of course, that's just my personal viewpoint.....

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RE: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)
by Andrew Kirch 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of > Frank Coluccio > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:48 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu; Michael.Dillon(a)btradianz.com > Subject: Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....) > > > Perhaps the list should be turned into a wiki; and no, while I'd like to, > I'm not > at this time volunteering to admin ;) > I might just to watch the hilarity. Is there any real interest in this? MediaWiki with restricted editing for people on the NANOG list. Andrew

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kW Per Rack.
by Robert Sherrard 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

How many of you are currently cooling 7kW+ per cabinet.. are any of you cooling more than 15kW per rack, if so how large is your footprint? Are any of you using water cool racks, by tapping into house water? Rob

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Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]
by Johnny Eriksson 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

"D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy(a)druid.net> wrote: > If we were still calling central and asking "Hi Mabel, can you put me > through to Doc," no one would give a rat's ass about phone number > portability. Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit > number portability. ... or street number portability. Thanks $deity. --Johnny

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Re: [routing-wg]BGP Update Report
by Vince Fuller 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 12:32:57PM +0200, Oliver Bartels wrote: > Hi Gert, > On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:06:00 +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > >Ummm, well, this is a damn fast plane if it will reach another continent > >1843 times per day (or even "per week")... - which should be the only > >time the BGP announcement moves. > > > >Sounds more like "the BGP-follows-plane system has some stability problems". > > Nack. > > Probably they are using low or medium earth orbit satellites, which > _are_ damn fast in orbit. Otherwise the round trip time would be > unacceptably high. > > As the whole thing is 3D, some of them might have contact to > ground stations on this or the other side of the great lake, > depending on their 3D position, even thru the plane travels > on a well defined track (probably a 3D circle, too) in just one > direction only. > > Ceterum censeo: Nevertheless this moving-clients application shows > some demand for a true-location-independend IP-addresses > announcement feature (provider independend "roaming") in IPv6, > as in v4 (even thru this isn't the "standard" way, but Connexion is > anything but standard). Shim etc. is not sufficient ... One might also imagine that more globally-friendly way to implement this would have been to build a network (VPN would be adequate) between the ground stations and assign each plane a prefix out of a block whose subnets are only dynamically advertsed within that network/VPN. Doing that would prevent the rest of the global Internet from having to track 1000+ routing changes per prefix per day as satellite handoffs are performed. --Vince

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