September 2005 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Cross Posting and List Development
by Malayter, Christopher 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Good Afternoon, I would like to request caution when cross posting between nanog@ and nanog-futures@. Please keep discussions related to "future ideas" for the list on nanog-futures. If we decide to solicit opinions on ideas that come out of the futures list, we will introduce a new thread on nanog@. To Reiterate, please take all "developmental ideas" to the nanog-futures list. This list is reserved for operationally related content. Please see the list AUP. 1 Discussion focuses on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter <http://www.nanog.org/NANOG.charter.html> of NANOG. The nanog-futures list is an open list, please feel free to subscribe. Chris Malayter TDS Telecom - Network Services Data Network Engineering chris.malayter(a)tdstelecom.com Phone: (608) 664-4878 FAX: (608) 664-4644

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Bell Canada contact
by J. Oquendo 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Anyone at Bell Canada willing to email me offlist Bell Canada BELLNEXXIA-11 (NET-67-68-0-0-1) 67.68.0.0 - 67.71.255.255 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x97B43D89 "Just one more time for the sake of sanity tell me why explain the gravity that drove you to this..." Assemblage

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Re: 209.68.1.140 (209.68.1.0 /24) blocked by bellsouth.net for SMTP
by jc dill 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Hannigan, Martin wrote: >>p.s. Speaking of "unreasonable requests" - I feel it is unreasonable >>for a member of the moderating committee to whine that he >>can't filter >>out "undesired" posts due to using a lame email client, and to then >>coerce a poster into "tagging" these posts. > There are no members of the ML admins saying that. You were a member at one point. I didn't know you had left that role "back in May" as another post mentions. > We were urged by multiple SC members to make our opinion > on this issue (off topic junk) known. The post in question was NOT "off topic junk". It was a brief cite and quote from a news article discussing the status of 3 major North American Networks following an huge storm, such a post is 100% ON-topic for the North American Network Operators Group. Your position about tagging "off topic junk" may have merit but you picked an ON-TOPIC post to whine about. Shame on you. jc (cc'd to nanog to clarify my position to the whole list, replies set to nanog-futures)

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Requst for tech/peering contact to Qwest, Bresnan/ATT Worldnet(?) (for Montana)
by Michael Loftis 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Please reply privately, off-list... I know this is probably not the best place, but Qwest, being Qwest, if I call their main numbers and try to ask about peering, they do s/peering/transit/ and route me to sales. I need to speak to someone in Qwest about peering at NWIX in Missoula, MT -- http://www.nwix.org/ -- Modwest (my employer) has a decent number of local customers on both of these providers networks, and employees being serviced on Bresnan's network. Bresnan I know has IP gear here in the facility, I just need to get the contact of someone who has the authority to get them plugged into NWIX in Missoula and setup a BGP peering session. I have a sales contact with Bresnan, but, if Bresnan's network guys/gals are on here and listening, this could hasten the process. Qwest I know has a cabinet with an ONS15454, however, I'm not sure about IP. I'm not requesting global peering for either of them (we're just a small content/hosting provider) however I'd like to atleast have Montana customers/local customers see us via the direct link rather than having to go out one of our transit links. Thanks again everyone, I now return you to your (err.. quasi?) operational content! :) -- "Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds." -- Samuel Butler

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TDC in Denmark
by Dennis Dayman 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Anyone have any contacts at their ISP level? tdc.com tele.dk mail.dk Offlist replies ok... -Dennis

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RE: [fergie-spew] RE: FW: Crews Survey Rita's Damages
by Hannigan, Martin 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

[ SNIP ] > The issue you decided to comment on was a one-line > rider about the excessive heat in cetral Texas today. I trimmed the post down to the bottom. There's nothing to read into. > While the latter may have well been off-topic I don't disagree that a run of the mill news story is on topic. It's the large off topic threads that historically have followed your blog and news posts. Windows filters aren't the most reliable beyond a simple tag to home in on. Thanks for the tag. My windows machine and I appreciate it! -M<

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Re: [fergie-spew] RE: FW: Crews Survey Rita's Damages
by Gregory Hicks 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:45:29 +0000 (GMT) > From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <christopher.morrow(a)mci.com> > > On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: > > > > > I take issue with what you folks think is relative. > > (I think I may be in a smaller group, but I don't mind the news posts > actually...and the subject tag seems like its a nice addition) Count me in the smaller group... I enjoy the posts. But a subject tag isn't really necessary. I can generally figure out what is on topic or not and use the delete key when not on topic. I think the list would be a poorer placw w/o those posts. My opinion. Regards, Gregory Hicks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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RE: TDC in Denmark
by Christopher L. Morrow 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005, Dennis Dayman wrote: > > *cough* > > http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi?ispname=TDC > > *cough* > > Dang it... I forgot about that. > > Sorry, and thanks for the clue bat Christopher. "chris" is fine... unfortunately it only gets you one of your three domains, hopefully they are just names for the same place?

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Re: [fergie-spew] RE: FW: Crews Survey Rita's Damages
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

I take issue with what you folks think is relative. It's _clearly_ unbalanced, unfair, and biased. I'm in the process of turning back up a major portion of the state network over the next couple of days hete in texas, and reports of network status is somehow not on-topic? I'm thinking that NANOG is just completely FUBAR'd... You guys can have your boys club. As for the rest of the readership, I'm Sorry you are ending up with a mailing list that is ruled by a select few, who have decided that they wish to control the content of "operations". What a damned shame. Good bye, - ferg -- Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> wrote: paul, begging the point of whether news about telco, not internet, circuits and wireless is ot for nanog, i think all martin was asking is a subject: tag for for your news posts, as he seems to have a brain-dead mua (which is highly popular for some reason) with very limited filtering capabilities. i don't think he meant it as a personal attack; i assume you would know one if he did:-). randy -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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[fergie-spew] RE: FW: Crews Survey Rita's Damages
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

The post I presented was directly on-topic: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg11872.html The issue you decided to comment on was a one-line rider about the excessive heat in cetral Texas today. While the latter may have well been off-topic, the general premise of the post was most certainly directly on-topic. - ferg -- "Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan(a)verisign.com> wrote: All I am asking is that you tag the post so I can filter out the followups. -M<

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