September 2005 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Katrina Aid Request
by John Souvestre 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

Hello. I don't often post to this list, but some here know me. They can verify what I have to tell you. I'm an ISP in Metairie, Jefferson Parish. The Co-Lo where my equipment is located is about 5 miles west of the center of New Orleans. To be precise, it is at 106 Metairie Lawn Dr #300, Metairie LA 70001. It is run by CommTech ESP. The ISPs housed there are CommTech (who is also an ISP, commtechesp.com) Digicomm Systems (webdsi.com) and Southern Star (sstar.com) along with parts of Bayou Tech (teche.net) Skycom1 (skycom1.com) and TriParish (triparish.net) The building and the equipment made it through the storm OK. Like everyone else in the area, we lost commercial power during the storm. We ran on the generator for 11 days. Because of the extended run time, some of the ISPs agreed to kick in and help pay the fuel bill since it was more than the Co-Lo could afford by itself. It cost about $2500 per day for those 11 days. We are all small ISPs, ranging from 1 to 10 employees. This additional cost, on top of everything else, is a heavy burden. If you would like to help us with this expense, we would certainly appreciate it. If you are so inclined, you can send mail to CommTech ESP's temporary office which is set up at Bayou Tech's location. The address is: CommTech ESP c/o Bayou Tech Attn: Jimmy Roussel 314 Chennault St Morgan City LA 70380 Thank you. John John Souvestre - Southern Star - (504) 888-3348 - www.sstar.com

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Belarus ISP contact
by James Spenceley 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

Hi, Excuse the strange post, but I'd like to contact anyone working for a Ukrainian and more importantly Belarussian ISP's, alternatively if you know of someone please email me. <begin russian> я хочу связываться человек работа в интернет-поставщике в Белоруссии или Украине, извините моего плохого русского ;-) Thanks, James

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RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry
by Matt Bazan 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com > [mailto:bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com] > you've had lots (some) folks point out the perceived dangers > of participating in such a venture. ... yet you continue to > insist that such a "service" will be of profound value to the > community as a whole and is not replicated anywhere else. > > if you are so persuaded, then it seems that instead of > espousing the idea, trying to drum up public support, that > you should, to borrow a phrase, "just do it" ... and let > people know where the site is and how to use it. as usual, > YMMV. and you might want to get legal advice. > > --bill Well, I didn't think that I was 'insisting' on the idea, at least that's not how I meant my posts to come across. Frankly, I've been rather surprised at the level of the negativity that has come across towards this idea in several of the posts and I'm not sure why that is. In either case, your last paragraph, Bill, was the direction I was headed. I'll mull it over for a time then decide if I want to put something in place and see what kind of response there is out there. Matt

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PBR needing to hit the cpu?
by David Hubbard 19 Sep '05

19 Sep '05

Just curious, do most vendors' hardware need to hit the cpu when doing policy-based routing? I found one of my border routers' cpu's on the bad end of a DDoS but once I turned off a not necessarily required setup to force some outbound traffic to take a specific outbound link via PBR, the DDoS traffic was no longer an issue. It was only about 200 Mbit so I hadn't expected it to be an issue but apparently it was; I was surprised when support told me the PBR was making traffic hit the cpu. TIA, David

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Re: PBR needing to hit the cpu?
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

What I think we're talking about here is not really "policy- based routing" but "policy-based forwarding", right? If so, then any nin-FIFO scheme would have to to be kicked up to the CPU, right? - ferg ps. I heard you left Cisco again. ;-) -- Tony Li <tony.li(a)tony.li> wrote: On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:57 PM, David Hubbard wrote: > Just curious, do most vendors' hardware need to hit the > cpu when doing policy-based routing? I found one of my > border routers' cpu's on the bad end of a DDoS but once > I turned off a not necessarily required setup to force > some outbound traffic to take a specific outbound link > via PBR, the DDoS traffic was no longer an issue. It was > only about 200 Mbit so I hadn't expected it to be an issue > but apparently it was; I was surprised when support told > me the PBR was making traffic hit the cpu. That's not at all surprising. PBR would be pretty hard to push into a hardware forwarding path. Not impossible, but certainly challenging. Tony

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Have we fallen of the face of the earth?
by Matt Taber 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

Is this thing on... Anyone? Beuller? Beuller? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-5867642.html?tag=zdfd.newsfeed Sounds like it's going in the right direction. MRT

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national hardware price quote registry - project clarifications
by Matt Bazan 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

There's been a fair bit of confusion as to what the price quote registry is about. As this confusion is mainly due to my lack of clarity I hope this email will rectify the ambiguity. Let me set the record straight on what my original intentions for this project were: 1) The original intent of the project was an online price quote registry aimed at small to medium businesses for quotes in the $20-$100K range. Larger quotes would of course be welcome but as these are almost always bound by NDAs in all likelihood these quotes would rarely find their way into the registry. 2) I do not, have not, and will not advocate people violate their respective NDAs (or quote confidentiality clauses). However, if a person chooses to do so that's their perogative hence the anonymous nature of the system. 3) I never intended the registry to be for 'big ticket' items. I, personally, have no interest in those. The thread seemed to devolve into discussing multi-million dollar quotes and the ramifications of opening up this process to public inspection. While I disagree with many of the conclusions that my fellow NANOGers have drawn about the likely outcome of opening this process up, I understand your concerns. My interest lies in the much smaller sub $100K quotes that are not bound by NDAs. 4) If, as others have suggested, you don't like the sytem, then don't use it. If enough people feel this will it will soon whither into the ether. Matt

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RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry
by Eric Pylko 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price > quote registry > From: "Matt Bazan" <Mbazan(a)onelegal.com> > Date: Fri, September 16, 2005 6:37 pm ... > > Now I fully realize that it's not a light matter to put ones job on the > line for this. However, I doubt, that in most cases, someone would get > fired for a first time offense. And, if worried, start with something > small. Bottom line is, the system's never been tested - anonymously. > Who knows what would happen? It's all essentially speculation until > it's tried. So your basic line of reasoning is "We can do it because we won't get caught."? Violating an NDA is violating an NDA. If you don't want to be bound by one don't sign it. You can get the Cisco pricing for the New York State contract here: http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/disclaim/default.asp?url=http://www.cisco.com/wa… Of course unless you are a NYS government agency you can't get that pricing. It also indicates NYS gets 32% off and it shows list price. -Eric

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Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry
by Matt Bazan 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

I don't know about you, but how many times have you wanted to know the price of hardware vendor a, vendor b and vendor c's product offering only to find out that you have to contact one of their sales reps, give them all your contact & company info (I'm sure you know the drill) listen to a sales spiel (or two, or three) maybe a webinar, or conference call or..etc. before finally getting a quote some time later? Only to then be bothered by endless follow up sales calls? Wouldn't it be great if there was an online, updated daily, website that listed real quotes oraganized by region in the country and company size? That way, if you wanted to, say, know that latest prices for 2TB fibre channel SAN enclosures from company A and company B you pull up the site and boom, you have a nice fairly accurate idea of what you'll pay for a company of your size and location? I think so. Here's what I propose. I will design and host a web site to organize just such info. What I will need from all of you out there is your real time quotes (anonymously submitted is just fine, black out all the relevant personal/company info) and just include some general info on location (state for instance) and rough size of company. I'll take care of the rest. Comments? Matt

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RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry
by Matt Bazan 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Gucker [mailto:cgucker@onesc.net] > > Well, httpd style logs will certainly "tell" where the > information came from. > No logging info of any sort would be enabled. > > Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor > X's attornies can get to it. Rest assured, whoever hosts the > site would be sent paperwork in hours, if not minutes from > it's discovery. > If need be I'll off shore it. Matt

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