February 2005 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

UN Panel Aims to End Internet Tug of War by July
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

My favorite quote(s) from this very brief article: "Right now, the most recognizable Internet governance body is a California-based non-profit company, the International Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)." "But developing countries want an international body, such as the U.N.'s International Telecommunication Union (ITU), to have control over governance -- from distributing Web site domains to fighting spam." http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=20… - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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Re: E1 - RJ45 pinout with ethernet crossover cable
by Miquel van Smoorenburg 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

In article <cistron.Pine.WNT.4.61.0502251117300.4032(a)tech1.office.toastedmedia.net>, Sam Stickland <sam_ml(a)spacething.org> wrote: >Quick question: If I have two E1 ports (RJ45), then will running a >straight ethernet cable between the two ports have the same affect as >plugging a ballan into each port and using a pair of coax (over a v. >short distance). > >Likewise would using an ethernet crossover cable have the same affect as >swapping the pairs round on one balland. > >Or are the pinouts different to ethernet? I tried googling but couldn't >find anything (perhaps because I can't seem to spell ballan :/ ). The pinouts are different. It's easy to make your own E1 crosscable though. E1 uses pairs 4-5 and 3-6, just swap those. 4-5 <------------> 3-6 3-6 <------------> 4-5 (Oh it's "balun", from BALanced/UNbalanced, but you don't need one) Mike.

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Finding useful/pertinent IP reallocation WHOIS info
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Can anyone provide a better way to find, say, the appropriate contact information for address blocks that are further rellocated from the regional registries? I've about reached my frustration levels over the course of the past year on the issue. Example: Trying to find the approriate contact info for an abuse@ address responsible for a malicious host that (may) reside within an address block in Brazil (not meaning to pick on Brazil by no means). Checking the WHOIS database at: http://lacnic.net/cgi-bin/lacnic/whois?lg=EN ...you can find that: #These addresses have been further assigned to Brazilian users. #Contact information can be found at the WHOIS server located #at whois.registro.br and at http://whois.nic.br No, it can't. At least not that I can ascertain. And when arriving at either of these web pages, the only lookup available to the user is a CGI form for domain-only registry lookups, not for IP address allocation info. I was also hoping that the Referral WHOIS (RWhois) database might provide some assiatance, I am informed only that the responsible registry is the Latin American and Caribbean IP address Regional Registry. I have tried many times to solicit a response via e-mail from someone at the Brazilian registry to no avail. Very frustrating. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. Registries: Are you listening? - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

This report has been generated at Fri Feb 25 21:44:34 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 18-02-05 152286 104724 19-02-05 152565 104746 20-02-05 152547 104745 21-02-05 152742 104906 22-02-05 152795 104999 23-02-05 152874 105262 24-02-05 152881 104777 25-02-05 152805 104808 AS Summary 18928 Number of ASes in routing system 7726 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1445 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 90831616 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DNIC DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 25Feb05 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 152964 104867 48097 31.4% All ASes AS4323 1029 225 804 78.1% TWTC Time Warner Telecom AS18566 767 7 760 99.1% CVAD Covad Communications AS4134 871 205 666 76.5% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS721 1149 575 574 50.0% DNIC DoD Network Information Center AS7018 1445 963 482 33.4% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS22773 474 26 448 94.5% CXA Cox Communications Inc. AS27364 465 34 431 92.7% ARMC Armstrong Cable Services AS6197 863 459 404 46.8% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS3602 501 137 364 72.7% SPCA Sprint Canada Inc. AS6478 494 144 350 70.9% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS17676 401 79 322 80.3% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS9929 342 37 305 89.2% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS4766 578 286 292 50.5% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS1239 919 659 260 28.3% SPRN Sprint AS14654 260 6 254 97.7% WAYPOR-3 Wayport AS9443 378 126 252 66.7% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS6140 382 135 247 64.7% IMPSA ImpSat AS9583 601 356 245 40.8% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS4355 296 60 236 79.7% ERSD EARTHLINK, INC AS25844 244 15 229 93.9% SASMFL-2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS6198 455 228 227 49.9% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS23126 242 18 224 92.6% KTEL KMC Telecom, Inc. AS15270 253 36 217 85.8% PDP-14 PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS5668 450 238 212 47.1% CIH-12 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS2386 822 611 211 25.7% ADCS-1 AT&T Data Communications Services AS9498 246 54 192 78.0% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS22909 339 147 192 56.6% CMCS Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS6517 308 121 187 60.7% YIPS Yipes Communications, Inc. AS6147 205 20 185 90.2% Telefonica del Peru S.A.A. AS6167 262 78 184 70.2% CELLCO Cellco Partnership Total 16041 6085 9956 62.1% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 AHSICHCL Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.17.32.0/24 AS5024 BRIDGE-75 BridgeNet, LC 64.17.33.0/24 AS5024 BRIDGE-75 BridgeNet, LC 64.17.37.0/24 AS5024 BRIDGE-75 BridgeNet, LC 64.57.160.0/19 AS3561 SAVVI-3 Savvis 64.92.128.0/19 AS3561 SAVVI-3 Savvis 64.127.0.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.209.192.0/18 AS3561 SAVVI-3 Savvis 69.26.32.0/19 AS17307 VIRTEL-15 Virtela Communications 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.127.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.44.0.0/24 AS5501 FRAUNHOFER-CLUSTER-BW Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.70.164.0/24 AS11814 IGST Information Gateway Services - Toronto 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.53.0/24 AS8346 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.200.100.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLAT-7 Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-1 Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 DEPART-52 Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCBCC Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY CityNet, Inc. 198.160.171.0/24 AS7046 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GTGR GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MRN Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INS-51 Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASK SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 UBC-3 University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS27034 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NXLI NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 201.239.0.0/16 AS22047 VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. 202.72.240.0/20 AS24320 RAILCOM Mongolian Railway Commercial Center Railcom 202.86.252.0/22 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 TELEONE-HK TeleTeleOne (HK) Limited 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.99.0.0/19 AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet 203.170.14.0/23 AS6648 ASN-SKYINTERNET BAYANTEL-SKY INTERNET TIER 1 ISP in the Philippines 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBI Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.108.96.0/19 AS577 BAC-14 Bell Advanced Communications Inc. 206.128.104.0/21 AS11709 VIIN VIRTUAL INTERACTIVE CENTER 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQR-3 Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETI NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 208.138.48.0/20 AS7955 SOURCE-48 SourceNet Corporation 209.27.51.0/24 AS14132 INTERN-582 Internet Gateway Inc. 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.48.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.49.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM-1 SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERFN California Education and Research Federation Network 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.156.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.158.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.176.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.177.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.178.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.184.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.185.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.186.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.187.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.188.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.189.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.190.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.191.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.171.96.0/20 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.151.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.152.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.160.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.164.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.192.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.198.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.248.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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Cogent / Verio Buyout Contract Issue
by Greenhagen, Robin 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Maybe off topic, but is anyone having any success contesting paying Verio prices for Cogent's network? When the Cogent tech called to move our BGP sessions and ports over to Cogent gear, we refused until we get this resolved. I know Verio was no Cadillac, but I considered them a Chevy, and I sure don't want to make a Chevy payment and be told I have to drive a Yugo every day. Robin Greenhagen GSI

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Re: Finding useful/pertinent IP reallocation WHOIS info
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Thanks to all who responded privately off-list. What I was looking for: http://registro.br/cgi-bin/nicbr/whois ..which wasn't exactly intuitive from the main page: http://registro.br/index.html Also, I liked the alternative suggestion of: telnet rwhois.whatever.foo 4321 <enter dotted quad or other item of interest> ..however, one thing that I didn't mention in my original post is that what I was looking for was a _simple_ method for our staff to use which didn't require a maze of thought challenges (or a Captain Midnight Decoder Ring) -- something they could just point a web broswer at and find correct contact information for IP reallocation data. Unfortunately, everyone in a particluar organization has access to a CLI WHOIS client, or even a Windoze WHOIS client that provides detailed information with a variety of options. Is it the case that SPAM purveyors have put us in the unfortunate position where there isn't readily available access to SWIP/reallocation information? What a shame. Thanks to one and all, - ferg -- "Fergie (Paul Ferguson)" <fergdawg(a)netzero.net> wrote: Can anyone provide a better way to find, say, the appropriate contact information for address blocks that are further rellocated from the regional registries? I've about reached my frustration levels over the course of the past year on the issue. Example: Trying to find the approriate contact info for an abuse@ address responsible for a malicious host that (may) reside within an address block in Brazil (not meaning to pick on Brazil by no means). Checking the WHOIS database at: http://lacnic.net/cgi-bin/lacnic/whois?lg=EN ...you can find that: #These addresses have been further assigned to Brazilian users. #Contact information can be found at the WHOIS server located #at whois.registro.br and at http://whois.nic.br No, it can't. At least not that I can ascertain. And when arriving at either of these web pages, the only lookup available to the user is a CGI form for domain-only registry lookups, not for IP address allocation info. I was also hoping that the Referral WHOIS (RWhois) database might provide some assiatance, I am informed only that the responsible registry is the Latin American and Caribbean IP address Regional Registry. I have tried many times to solicit a response via e-mail from someone at the Brazilian registry to no avail. Very frustrating. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. Registries: Are you listening? - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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RE: AOL scomp
by Drew Weaver 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Postini is my friend :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of chuck goolsbee Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:19 PM To: nanog(a)merit.org Subject: Re: AOL scomp >It's too bad that about 1/3 of the reported mails are valid opt-in lists. The other 1/3rd are actual spam, but legitimately forwarded as the user requested from a personal or business domain to an AOL account. Any server in the path gets tagged as a spam source. And the remaining third seems to be just plain old normal personal correspondence ... which I find weird. >Ahh well -- this is a nice mechanism that AOL provides, IMO. Agreed, though maybe they should look at SpamAssasin or Postini. Take their end-users out of the filtering mechanism somehow. --chuck -- ______________________________________________________ There's only so much stupidity you can compensate for; there comes a point where you compensate for so much stupidity that it starts to cause problems for the people who actually think in a normal way. -Bill, digital.forest tech support

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informal survey -- have you submitted a talk to nanog & been refused?
by Paul Vixie 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

i'm trying to understand the supposed dearth of submissions, but i've never been on the programme committee and so i need some data. if you've submitted a paper to nanog that was refused -- ever! -- and are willing to share details (ideally including the reasons you were given for the refusal, and what you were asked to do to fix them, and what you actually did) please send me e-mail.

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Who is watching the watchers?
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

Former chief privacy officer of Gator has been appointed to the Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee of the Department of Homeland Security. http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2005/02/23/gator/index.html?source=R… --Michael Dillon

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Re: Who is watching the watchers?
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

I like how "Good Morning Silicon Valley" phrased it: "In other news, Ken Lay was appointed Director of the Treasury ...." http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/gmsv/109… - ferg -- Adam Jacob Muller <adam(a)gotlinux.us> wrote: This would be like having Ken Lay write our energy policy... .... wait, we already did that.... Adam On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: > >>>> Former chief privacy officer of Gator has been appointed to the Data >>>> Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee of the Department of >>>> Homeland >>>> Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2005/02/23/gator/index.html >> >> as president bush (jr) said on tv in the days following 9/11, >> "america is open for business!" > > You don't want to know who is the CPO for DHS. Its FUBAR all the way > up. > > Eric >

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