August 2002 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Anyone heard of anything at OC24?
by Ryan Mooney 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Hi, Hopefully this isn't to far off topic, but I have sort of a wierd problem that no one else has been able to figure out and was wondering if the collective intellect gathered here might be able to drum up a solution. I work for a company that has a wireless product that we've been developing that is basically a fiber repeater. The limiting factors are our transmitter and detector circuitry capabilities and the clock recovery circuitry. Right now we can clock the units to OC12, OC24 and GE (1.25Gbps). I have all of the management types wanting to demonstrate "gigabit atm" or "gigabit pos", and we won't be able to do OC48 for a while. So at this point the closest we can get is OC24 (not counting GE, since we have some customers that really want ATM for legacy reasons). While we can do OC12 they aren't happy w/ that since its less than 1Gbps in one direction (and well, whatever I'm sure you know how irrational discusions like that go). The problem I'm having is that I can't find anything that does anything at OC24. If I could find a simple TDM device or circuit that combined 2xOC12 to OC24 that would be perfect (and stays in line with the protocol agnostic radio theory). Failing that some sort of ATM device that has OCx and OC24 interfaces would be a nifty second choice. If any of you know of any chipsets and/or products that do this let me know. Please send replies direct to me as I would be suprised if the answers are of much interest to anyone else (if I'm wrong on that one, let me know and I'll send you a summarization). Thanks. -- >-=-=-=-=-=-=-<>-=-=-=-=-=-<>-=-=-=-=-=-<>-=-=-=-=-=-<>-=-=-=-=-=-=-< Ryan Mooney ryan(a)pcslink.com <-=-=-=-=-=-=-><-=-=-=-=-=-><-=-=-=-=-=-><-=-=-=-=-=-><-=-=-=-=-=-=->

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NANOG, its decline in s/n
by John M. Brown 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Having been a participant of the NANOG list since 1995, twice a past host of the meetings, and someone that believes we should help and educate, I am most concerned over the trend that is showing itself here on the list. This is a list about knowledge, share, help, and operations. Some on this list are "Old Pro's" others are just "Old ....." I see new names, new faces, sometimes the same questions, sometimes slight variences of those questions. What then happens is people attack the sender (heck I've even been slightly guilty of this), banish them to newbie.dev.nul. Threads move quickly from the question to debates on random junk and thus become a waste to the community. When I first got on the Internet, 1984, it was full of cooperative and helpful people. 18 years later, not so much. We have real issues to deal with, DMCA, Clarke, The Implosion of ICANN (with means the ITU will run things me thinks, not good), and various other laws, acts and general clue.void from .void.gov. So instead of picking on each other, calling it "standard NANOG hazing" or whatever, lets help, be good in our technical honesty, or don't post. If someone doesn't listen to your answer, a BIGGER stick isn't going to help, take it private, or move along. We are all pro's here, right ?? We got a net to run, lets go do it. respectfully, john brown a person not speaking for anyone else

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well the rt's have it:)
by Scott Granados 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

By far it seemed most were using rt and remedy as #2. Thank you for everyone who responded I'd thank everybody individually as I probably should:) but I got over 100 responses so here's a blanket thanks:)

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BGP, How-tos, tips and tricks, training info.
by crimson＠unspeakable.org 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Does anyone have a good url/documentation/howto's about BGP and implementing it. I'm looking for how gto implement it, considersations, examples, common use commands, troubleshooting. Basically I want to get up to speed on BGP as my company is looking into rolling it out. And I don't want to waste everyone's time dealing with yet another site on the net with messed up BGP :) Please reply off list as to cut down on the crap posted on it. So no one gets there panties in a knot.

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Re: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense anymore?
by michael.dillon＠radianz.com 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Given that your analysis could be used to make decisions about exchange point architecture, I wonder if you would consider adding RPR IEEE 802.17 into the mix? While I don't know of anyone using RPR in an exchange point, there certainly are products on the market and not just Cisco's SRP/DPT. Within Ebone we were using SRP/DPT rings quite successfully in our PoP architecture, i.e. it does work in the real world. I know that the marketing side of RPR is promoting it as a metro area solution, but it works just as well in a PoP. Given that you are comparing a PoP oriented technology (Ethernet) with a metro area technology (ATM), I think it makes sense to take a serious look at a technology that covers both. --Michael Dillon

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RE: Network inventory and configuration tracking tools
by Internet Guy 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

I too post to this email list anonymously for reasons which were just stated. You might want to try something from Linmor Technologies... www.linmor.com. This plugs directly into remedy, so you can do change & trouble ticketting quite easily. With this vendors software, you can also make changes to your network, then read the network & the updated configuration you just put in with this software, & the changes are then plugged directly into your configuration database. This allows your network to be synched with the configuration database, as the configuration databse would now shows the active configuration in the network. Very easy to use & available for small & carrier class networks. & quite a few other features available. Regards. -----Original Message----- From: Rishi Singh [mailto:RSingh@Tradescape.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:23 AM To: Sean Donelan Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Network inventory and configuration tracking tools Importance: High I've used FootPrints in the past with very good success. It not only served our change management processes but also help desk trouble ticketing. Its very customizable and quite affordable. http://www.unipress.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:09 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Network inventory and configuration tracking tools > > > > > How about an operations oriented question. What is the > current preferences amoung network operators for network > inventory and configuration management tools? Not so much > status monitoring (up, > down) but other stuff network operator wants to know like > circuit IDs (how many IDs can a circuit have?), network > contacts, design layout reports (layer 1/2/3), what's > supposed to be connected to that port? The stuff you > can't get out of the box itself. > > Most ISPs seem to end up with a combination of homegrown > systems, opensource, and commercial products. The > commercial "integrated" systems have lots of stuff, and > according to the vendors can do anything including splice fiber. > > CiscoWorks www.cisco.com > Netcracker www.netcracker.com > NetView www.tivoli.com > Openview www.hp.com > VitalQIP www.qip.lucent.com > Visionael www.visionael.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Verizon DSL Contact
by Erich Kuehn 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Anyone have a Verizon DSL contact for NYC (60 hudson St.). I need someone with some tech. experience, so I explain what I want, I DON'T want just a level 1 sales dweeb. Thanks Erich

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Re: NANOG, its decline in s/n
by sal_sabella＠hushmail.com 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

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Re: routing table size
by David G. Andersen 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

> > On a related note, from a paper we're about to submit to > >the Internet Measurement Workshop, see: > > > > http://nms.lcs.mit.edu/~dga/aspathfrac.eps > > Acrobat is unable to render eps files. Care to send it in .ps or .pdf? Whoops. My apologies: http://nms.lcs.mit.edu/~dga/aspathfrac.pdf Btw, I should clarify my comment about UUNET: They're the largest source of prefixes announced by a single origin AS, but this isn't necessarily reflective of poor aggregation. (I'll leave that analysis to others). I'd wager there's also a historical component in there. Don't even know that it's a problem, per se, just an observation. -Dave -- work: dga(a)lcs.mit.edu me: dga(a)pobox.com MIT Laboratory for Computer Science http://www.angio.net/ I do not accept unsolicited commercial email. Do not spam me.

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Fw: ticket tracking
by Gerardo A. Gregory 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

For those who have sent replies (off-list) regarding the WebTTS changes we have made (Postgres porting, North Star queries, etc.) to the Perl script. I will be setting up an FTP directory today or tomorrow (time is the key here) and providing the address for all those interested (or have shown interest). I guess asking for e-mail's was not the smartest thing (then again it was 2am when I initialy wrote the e-mail and was not at the top of my thinking game), since the first thing I found this morning was a vast number of replies to this offer. I could not keep up individually. I will post the Address as soon as I get it up, and out there. Gerardo Gregory ----- Original Message ----- To: "gg" <ggregory(a)affinitas.net> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: Re: ticket tracking > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, gg wrote: > > > WebTTS with quite a few modifications. > > > > If you know Perl or have an inhouse Perl Expert then I highly reccomend it. > > We have modified the script to the point that you can query tickets (we > > ported to run the ticketing system of a Postgresql database running on > > FreeBSD-source available to anyone that wants it (just e-mail me)) based on > > a great number of statements. We have also added pages to the system and > > have devided the system into different groups. For example; > > I'd be interrested in seeing the source for this. I've been looking for a > good replacement to RT for a while now. =) > > > -Fel- > >

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