September 2001 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

RE: On Internet and social responsibility
by Roeland Meyer 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

|> From: measl(a)mfn.org [mailto:measl@mfn.org] |> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:01 AM |> |> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: |> |> > Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this |> > propaganda? |> |> Maybe becuase they believe that censorship of opposing |> opinions is BAD? Actually, John Barryhill, on the /ICANN/DNSO/GA list, pointed out that there are a few domain registrations where the registrar accepted registration from denizens of the "proscribed countries" list. That registrar, "Register.Com" in this case, is technically in violation of the law. My guess is that, they never checked the law, or that list, in the first place. As US companies, there are certain individuals and countries that we are not allowed to do business with. Until now, the high-tech community has taken those laws too lightly. We shouldn't have residents of Libya, for example, on our client/customer list at all. Routing traffic to those countries shouldn't be an issue either. It simply shouldn't be done, by a US-based company. These proscription lists have been around for over 10 years. How many of us are violating it without knowlege? BTW, all of us that have our corporate charters from any part of the US are effected by this. Willful violations can carry some severe penalties. |> > Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for |> > that site. |> |> And do what exactly? They have every right to speak, even |> if you don't happen to like the message. Actually, they don't. The law says so. Personally, I have no problems with US State telling me I can't do business with terrorists. Do you? I actually think that it's nice that US State is willing to identify, with verification, terrorist supporting countries, so that I can chose to avoid doing business with them. It helps a lot when I can point to a US gov directive prohibiting me from doing business with them. They can't sue me for discriminatory practices because I'm following the law. On the flip-side, those of you that have such undiscovered liabilities can exepect to hear from our government sometime. It is time to weed through the customer/client lists folks. -- IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer. Before taking legal action based on anything I do, say, or write, you are strongly encouraged to seek the advice of an attorney. -- R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R Managing Director Morgan Hill Software Company tel: +1 925 373 3954 cel: +1 925 352 3615 fax: +1 925 373 9781 http://www.mhsc.com

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nyc bandwidth (60 Hudson, 111 8th, 25 Broadway)
by Jeffrey Meltzer 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

if anyone lost any circuits between 60 hudson, 111 8th & 25 broadway, we can provide bandwidth between these buildings until things go back to normal. Jeff

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temp connectivity
by Alex Rubenstein 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

I'm sure I'm not the first to offer, but: If anyone needs and kind of connectivity between the following buildings: Equinix, 165 Halsey St., Newark, NJ Telehouse, 25 Broadway, NY, NY Above.net, 8100 Boone Blvd., Vienna, VA Telehouse, North Docklands, London, UK We can provide. either l3 tunnels, or l2 atm. We'll pretty much give away the ATM as UBR until things are 'normal'. email me if you have needs. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex(a)nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --

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Pointer to clearinghouse for NY IT volunteers?
by John Todd 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

It has been mentioned on this list and others that there is a requirement for volunteers in NYC to help bring things back on line from a network and machine perspective. I'll put my money where my mouth is and say that I'll be available in NYC on Monday at 06:00. What I have not been able to determine is how I find a company that needs what I can do. Is there a clearinghouse for volunteer IP-networking or UNIX systems staff? The Red Cross seems like an unusual place to go for figuring out what firms need what help... they seem to me to be a place to go to assist people, not companies. I'm not an EMT, a social worker, or a ditch digger, so I'll stick with helping with what I know how to do. Do any of you who are closer to the question know where a person should report to get an assignment, and what data I should furnish to make the process easier? Sorry for the almost-non-operational content here - I'm hoping someone can reply to the list with a pointer to a location that will lend some operational content to this recently high noise/low signal discussion. Otherwise, I'll wear a sign around my neck with my resume on it that says "FREE NETWORKING GEEK" on Monday AM. Yes, I'm serious. :) JT -- John Todd jtodd(a)cidera.com Director of Support Services/MIS Cidera, Inc. http://www.cidera.com/ voice:(01)301-561-2140 fax:(01)708-810-6008

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Anyone use Cisco Policy Routing?
by Stephen J. Wilcox 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Hi, I'm trying to setup a platform that will send different types of packets over different routes, theres a good example of what I'm doing at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/ibsw/ibdlsw/prodlit/dlsw5_rg.htm under 'Directing Traffic Flows with Policy Routing' Basically, it doesnt work, I'm on IOS 12.0(3) and not sure if its a bug or just me. I'm using policy routing and route-maps to identify certain types of traffic by tcp port number using extended access-lists and then change the next-hop. Whats happening is that it works okay until the above access-list makes a match, after that all packets to that IP address regardless of port number get sent via the modified next hop. I'm wondering if I've got a) an IOS bug or if b) I need to turn off some kind of route caching/cef that works at layer 3 altho I've disabled everything I could think of on the interface Any thoughts? Steve -- Stephen J. Wilcox IP Services Manager, Opal Telecom http://www.opaltelecom.co.uk/ Tel: 0161 222 2000 Fax: 0161 222 2008

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RE: FW: Photos of Palestinians celebrating World Trade Center att ack
by Youse, Chuck 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Yes, but if you're flipping somebody off with the "V" gesture, the back of your hand faces that somebody, not the palm (as it does in "peace") Not a British colleague, just yet-another-American living in the UK Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kuebler [mailto:mkuebler@diamonex.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:28 PM Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' Subject: Re: FW: Photos of Palestinians celebrating World Trade Center attack Actually the two finger "peace" sign is not at all universal. I'm sure our British colleagues will note that a similar two finger gesture is equivalent to our American F.U. gesture. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Kuebler, Network Administrator | Plus ca change, mkuebler(a)diamonex.com | plus c'est la meme chose -------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
by Roeland Meyer 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

|> From: David Klindt [mailto:dklindt@cobra.ordata.com] |> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:29 AM |> > resist the cycle of violence and hate. |> |> I agree. But this action doesn't need to be attached the |> words violence |> and hate. It is better attributed to, enough is enough, and |> knock the |> bully out. Truly, that simple. Except that, this isn't a case of a school-yard bully. It is the case of a known serial killer that will not stop. They need to be stopped before more folks die.

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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Rubens Kuhl Jr. 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

>Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this >propaganda? Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for >that site. Why should a terrorist use a North American provider that would hand all its logs and intercept mail given a warrant or now may be even by a simple "help us hunt them down" ? Why telling FBI what ISPs to put Carnivores first ? Rubens Kuhl Jr.

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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Vadim Antonov 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Joe -- I'm not calling in question their right to publish; what i'm saying that this crap was going on for years, and nobody cared. BTW, if you look at the First Ammendment protections closer, they are not guaranteeing absolute right of free speech. Learn the American law before you invoke it to defend your point of view. I'm tired of absolutists who cannot see that there's no such thing as absolute good or absolute evil. Speech can be very dangerous. This is a conflict of ideologies, not nations or religions. What do you think is ideology - if not speech? How do you suppress ideology if you let it spread unhampered? Violence is bad? Vote for dissolution of police, if you _really_ mean that. But don't take the "my hands is clean" high moral ground. It is _your_ guilt, too, for being lazy to learn what is going on, and failing to elect a goverment with a clue, not the bumbling idiot with a Texan accent and vocabulary of a fifteen-years-old. That site was spreading lies for a long time and is well-known in Russia as an example of American hypocrisy. I was reminded of it when i looked at today's very sarcastic piece by one poplular TV commentator (Mike Solovyev, the anchor of "Odnako" ("But..") prime-time daily show watched by a hundred million people). [Transcript follows] ...Besides, Shamil Basaev is not only a cannibal, but also a very keen politologist making in his cave precise analysis of political situation. <video of Shamil Basaev leaving in a bus with hostages> The web-site Kavkaz.org published a special message from Shamil Basaev regarding the air attacks on Washington and New-York. Mr. Basaev says that "Russia is behind this terrorist attack. The goal of this attack is to undermine might of USA, discredit the idea of the national anti-missile defense initiative, and cause USA to lose its status of super-power." Chechen politologists are wishing to provoke clash of America and Russia: just for a second imagine that everyone believed this Chechen propaganda about "hand of Moscow" - what should be the answer from the other side of the ocean? You know. [allusion to the nuclear war, for those unfamiliar with Soviet idiomas -- avg]. After what happened, the Western authorities should've knocked that site down, it is physically located in the America, and change their view of Chechen propaganda in general. Because otherwise it seems that bin Laden is a cannibal, with any means good to get him down, but his Chechen comrades-in-arms still need delicacy and respect. This is the message we get by watching this site staying up after September 11th. ... This Wednesday I expressed concern that after the initial shock they'll talk, talk, and forget the whole thing - you know, deeds are forgettable, body's fattening. But now it looks like everything is funnier. To forget something you need to learn something first. Judging by dithering of various officials they didn't learn anything, so they have nothing to forget. [end of transcript] Here's how America looks from outside. A bunch of incompetents and hypocrites. And i am tired of telling my Russian correspondents to stuff their "they asked for it" postures you know where. Because i know that Americans are not really hypocritic, just terribly ignorant. --vadim On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 baptista(a)pccf.net wrote: > > Vadim - I think in american we call it free speech. The content of the > message is not the issue - it is the right to publish it and one's > opinion which is the issue here guranteed by the U.S. constitution. > > regards > joe > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: > > > > > > > Found on a website hosted in US by a US service provider: > > > > > Manpower resources of > > > Muslims and powerful ideological stimulus of resistance, the > > > control above the basic power resources of the world, the > > > geographical position and an area of movement, finally will > > > destroy USA. War will come in the house of each American. > > ******************************************************** > > > > > And it already will be the collapse of that America, which we > > > know and which is realized by Americans. The first disturbing > > > symptoms of arising enmity and split of America already is > > > available. > > > > This is from the inverview with the spokesman of well-known terrorist > > Shamil Basaev, known for personally taking hostage hundreds of patients in > > a hospital, among other things (the spokesman is Movladi Udugov, the guy > > who threatened to drop an airplane on Kremlin). > > > > http://www.kavkaz.org/english/news/2001/09/14/news4.htm > > > > Hosted by XO Communications - do not bother them, i already alerted their > > staff. > > > > Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this > > propaganda? Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for > > that site. > > > > [If you decide to read the entire article - the "so-called peacemaker" > > Boris Nemtsov mentioned there is a prominent pro-Western politican in > > Russia, and (used to be, changed his mind after WTC attack) a leading > > proponent of negotiations with Chechen militants. A shining illustration > > of what you get for trying to negotiate with terrorists.] > > > > Please, if you host websites, take a closer look at what you are hosting; > > you may help to find leads for the investigation. > > > > --vadim > > > > -- > The dot.GOD Registry, Limited > > http://www.dot-god.com/ >

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The Cidr Report
by CIDR Report 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Sep 14 23:00:00 PDT 2001 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. NEW: Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report-region.html for the regional version of this report. NEW: Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/autnums.html for a complete list of autonomous system number to name mappings as used by the CIDR-Report. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to GX Networks for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to CIDR Report <cidr-report(a)cisco.com>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 14Sep01 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 070901 103166 080901 102958 090901 102972 100901 103070 110901 103168 120901 102677 130901 102777 140901 102582 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- *** Bogus 82.105.0.0/16 from AS3269 *** Bogus 82.105.128.0/17 from AS3269 AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 11538 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 6879 (3912 cidr, 2967 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 837 announced by AS701 Largest number of classful routes: 1362 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 14Sep01 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS1221 1279 969 310 24.2% Telstra Pty Ltd AS701 1362 1162 200 14.7% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS4151 286 163 123 43.0% USDA AS577 313 192 121 38.7% Bell Advanced Communications Inc. AS6595 171 60 111 64.9% DoD Education Activity Network As AS4293 379 270 109 28.8% Cable & Wireless USA AS13999 113 11 102 90.3% Mega Cable S.A. de C.V. AS705 247 148 99 40.1% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS16473 171 74 97 56.7% Bell South AS6429 195 100 95 48.7% AT&T Chile Internet S.A. AS7018 755 661 94 12.5% AT&T AS4755 215 129 86 40.0% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonom AS12302 97 27 70 72.2% MobiFon S.A. AS4200 142 74 68 47.9% Apex Global Information Services, AS724 221 156 65 29.4% DLA Systems Automation Center AS6471 127 62 65 51.2% ENTEL CHILE S.A. AS1239 469 404 65 13.9% Sprint AS7046 316 254 62 19.6% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS209 310 252 58 18.7% Qwest AS19632 67 9 58 86.6% Metropolis Intercom S.A. AS16758 63 6 57 90.5% IKON Office Solutions AS3464 149 94 55 36.9% Alabama SuperComputer Network AS703 309 255 54 17.5% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS17557 121 68 53 43.8% Pakistan Telecom AS226 145 93 52 35.9% Los Nettos AS17561 113 62 51 45.1% Internet service provision to Wes AS1 539 488 51 9.5% BBN Planet AS4323 249 199 50 20.1% Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS855 144 96 48 33.3% Canadian Research Network AS852 206 160 46 22.3% Telus Advanced Communications For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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