September 2001 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Re: Re[2]: telehouse - 25 broadway
by Sean Donelan 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

I'm sure a full analysis will be performed after the recovery efforts are completed. I'm also certain the operators of both 25 Broadway and 32 Old Slip are working very dilgently to get them running. But I would like to point out, no one regularly runs their generators for 48+ hours as part of a normal test. In addition, most standby generators are fitted only for "limited" duration runs. You should expect problems during any extended run of a generator plant. I'm a bit surprised that 25 Broadway and 32 Old Slip are the only ones we've heard about. Until I know a bit more about what happened, I can't say whether any alternative design could have performed better. On Sat, 15 September 2001, Joe McGuckin wrote: > Was this unit tested regularly? With a load bank? > > If there was a weekly test run, why wasn't this problem caught? > > It seems like there's a lesson to be learned here. > > My guess is that many sites' idea of a periodic test is to fire up the > generator (without a load) for 5 or ten minutes and assume everything's ok. > > How many folks actually perform a load transfer to the generator during > testing to check out the transfer switch ?

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Qwest Statement (was Re: information on 60 hudson / 140 west st ?)
by Sean Donelan 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

On Sun, 16 September 2001, dan kelley wrote: > i heard from qwest tonight that verizon was attempting > to run serveral OC-48s from the 60 hudson st. facility > to bypass the damaged 140 west street facility. has > anyone down in that area heard of any progress on this > front, or when 60 hudson (or at least qwest's portion > of it) will be reconnected? I haven't heard any specific details about the status of Qwest's facilities in New York. This is the statement I've saw from Qwest: Qwest is committed to being helpful and doing whatever we can during this time of national crisis. With the September 11 disaster in New York City and Washington, D.C., we want to offer our condolences and extend our resources to our business customers in any way we can. We know that this crisis will continue to be a challenge. Our support and our prayers are with all those who are suffering or inconvenienced. We also recognize that your ability to communicate is critical in enabling your business to return to normal. In Washington, we are working closely with the government agencies to meet its communications needs. In order to address the needs of those affected by the tragic events in New York, Qwest is donating resources and services to customers and other businesses that have been directly impacted to help them get back into business as quickly as possible. So far, Qwest has expedited circuit orders for hospitals, and donated office space as well as network connectivity for customers without service. We also are offering interim Web hosting facilities and back-up services for businesses in New York. In addition, we have joined with other communications providers to help restore service in the lower Manhattan area as soon as possible. For example, we have loaned switching equipment to help process local phone calls. We have established a special task force to do whatever is possible to assist you. You can reach the task force directly at 1-877-829-1229 or via email at carecenters(a)qwest.com to alert us of any changes to your Qwest service or to request any additional resources we may be able to provide. We are committed to helping you to restore your core business functions as quickly as this situation will permit.

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information on 60 hudson / 140 west st ?
by dan kelley 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

hi- i heard from qwest tonight that verizon was attempting to run serveral OC-48s from the 60 hudson st. facility to bypass the damaged 140 west street facility. has anyone down in that area heard of any progress on this front, or when 60 hudson (or at least qwest's portion of it) will be reconnected? thanks- dan __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/

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NAS Tech Suport phone number ?
by Matt Martini 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Does anyone know the phone number of tech support for NAS? Thanks, Matt __________________________ http://www.invision.net/ _______________________ Matthew E. Martini, PE InVision.com, Inc. (631) 543-1000 x104 Chief Technology Officer matt(a)invision.net (631) 864-8896 Fax _______________________________________________________________________pgp_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBO6Vmx2tXn16/JS7ZAQGxqQf/XbIu76vzpsK+dU6f+iqdsfEPUt1qk1DG OVf0ZguMTMu4KA66CTK2FS6Q1rV5OiJEYA2VAwJcY1oeOKIVVOwJ9Ujd9fILXGjy QkcMVQTjhl2sToLzzFyeKQUPFmnpVPP4Nc7a9ik6YJvkCyPlJCKyn1V+Tn8UBbHS 31z+dLshYrPuUPpZHWbwbv0Uu8kvQdO7k1aJz5BSUbeuS6WgLBm4vuW3YVLAv9o5 0dWN91v9wZ0VD1q1wo5oG9gvAOzSaIaxYHHgfDq4A2Pe4lT6WSZPxV37Mk00aFJ7 NPJ43XAZlP2OZy6sP0KjQoV1+hFHUgDMTvHJ8JbsUVKWFRhVT225Fg== =6iNZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: More CNN reports... [OT]
by Dean Robb 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

At 09:51 PM 9/13/2001, you wrote: ><http://www.io.com/~flashlk/quizofweek.htm> says: > >Question 1: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and >fill him with a terrible resolve." Who said that and in what circumstance? >(Difficulty 6). >Answer 1: Japanese Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku, commenting on the aftermath >of the attack on Pearl Harbor (1941). Probably no truer words were ever >spoken. The sneak attack that decimated the Pacific Fleet also unified the >American people like no other single event in its history. From that point >forward, the fascist powers were doomed. >Source: Pearl Harbor, a Life Magazine Collector's Edition Maybe he said it and was quoted for the movie? A rare case of a screenwriter being historically accurate? Since Yamamoto ain't around to ask, it's really moot - I was simply trying to make a point that terrorists have made a severe strategic error. BTW: Sen. Biden used that quote today... 'Nuff said - let's try to be operational :) Dean Robb www.PC-Easy-va.com On-site computer services Member, ICANN At Large

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Re: 25 broadway back up
by Sean Donelan 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

On Sun, 16 September 2001, Sean Donelan wrote: > > > According to reports, power was restored to 25 Broadway about 5:30pm > September 12 2001. Err, September 16 2001.

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25 broadway back up
by Sean Donelan 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

According to reports, power was restored to 25 Broadway about 5:30pm September 12 2001.

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CON Edison adds additional customer service lines
by Sean Donelan 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

For Immediate Release: September 16, 2001 CON EDISON ADDS NEW CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE New York - Since the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, more than half of Con Edisons customer service and emergency telephone lines have been knocked out of service. Con Edison has added an additional line: 212-243-1900. The regular line, 800-75-CONED, is working but customers may experience delays.

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Re: Now:Power/Generators (Was: Re[2]: telehouse - 25 broadway)
by George Michaelson 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

To add to the confusion, in UK english Kerosene is a synonym for Paraffin, but Paraffin is a *group* of compounds, so named because of their lack (par) of affin(ity) for other substances. A group can't be a synonym for a single instance thus the two terms are not mutually interchangable. Paraffin ranges from wax to near-gases at room temperatures. Kerosene, or what Aussies call Kero' is liquid, but volatile at room temperature. Paraffin also includes substances taken as a laxative. Hence the joke in 'three men in a boat' about not taking Paraffin in a boat again, unless prone to a sore tummy (they spill the stove fuel all over the food). If you go asking for Paraffin in the UK, be specific about what its for! You get one kind in small glass bottles at the chemist (== pharmacist) and the other kind dyed blue or pink in metal cans from the ironmongers. Don't get me started on what a monger is, thats a whole another can of worms. and why does an Iron monger sell patently non-iron fluids? Dero's Drink Kero. I suspect this is much like Bums drinking Drano. Metho is both better and worse, it does get you drunk, but it is methanol and so leads to blindness. not all Kerosene is methanol. Mind you, the smell of somebody who has been drinking meths I would walk a country mile to avoid. Ah, memories of childhood. Its amazing how a bit of social engineering like legalizing off-racecourse gambling cast an entire generation of pre- and post-WWII spivs on the dustheap, hence the volumes of metho-drinkers walking the streets of Edinburgh who used to be bookies runners. Paraffin lamps, and diesel or 'oil' engines which use non-sparkplug ingnition often need pre-heating. It used to be a common sight to see somebody using metho to light a blowlamp (the metho heats the tube to vapourize the paraffin, so it will ignite at the jet), then use the blowlamp to pre-heat the heavy oil in the oil-engine, then manually turn the engine to start the cycle. Oil engines run slow, like donkey engines in a texas oilfield, one thump a second or less! Talk about a three stage bootstrap. -George -- George Michaelson | APNIC Email: ggm(a)apnic.net | PO Box 2131 Milton QLD 4064 Phone: +61 7 3367 0490 | Australia Fax: +61 7 3367 0482 | http://www.apnic.net

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Re: Now:Power/Generators (Was: Re[2]: telehouse - 25 broadway)
by Robert Boyle 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

---- Original Message ---- From: ltd(a)interlink.com.au To: robert(a)tellurian.com Subject: Re: Now:Power/Generators (Was: Re[2]: telehouse - 25 >broadway) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:02:14 -0700 >[ staying from nanog to power-generation again... :-) ] >many Diesel gensets can be "converted" to operate on LPG/Natural Gas >instead. >they typically end up with a higher operating temperature (but not >significantly so), and may need some upgrades to some of the >auxiliary >equipment (fuel pump, cooling system / heat-exchangers / radiators), >as >well as some relatively minor mods to the engine itself. you also >need a >Governor that knows that its using LPG/NG rather than Diesel - the >characteristics of how the engine behaves/responds are quite >different. Also, LPG/NG converted diesel engines are de-rated 400kW diesel may become 280kW LPG/NG. >on the topic of Oil Filters, one of the things that can be done to >help >"clean" the oil in a Diesel genset is to add a Centrifugal Pump to >seperate >the solids from the oil. this makes it possible to extend the >maintenance >periods (at least for Oil Filter changes) of Diesel gensets as well >as >improve the lifetime of the oil itself. >(Diesel gensets are fairly oil-hungry. that is normal). I also install an additional bypass oil filter which filters much smaller particles than the standard full-flow filter. This can also extend the maintenance interval and engine life. Using a filter extension plate and a remote filter mounting kit allows for faster and cleaner oil filter changes. Ensuring adequate genset cooling through a properly sized radiator, pump, and plumbing will prevent the oil from coking and will help keep its lubricating properties much longer. In our application, we are using diesel as a primary backup to the grid and the Capstone LPG/NG turbine as supplemental/backup/long runtime AC power. We have very reliable gas service, but diesel fuel does go bad and I don't want to store more than 24-48 hours of fuel in the building. -Robert

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