January 2001 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Re: Microsoft spokesperson blames ICANN
by Henry Yen 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Philipp Buehler wrote: > On 24/01/2001, Henry Yen <henry(a)AegisInfoSys.com> wrote To nanog(a)merit.edu: > [..] > > of Windows (tm) computers, without question the most popular > > Operating System environment (tm) for our Global Computing > > Information Infrastructure (tm (tm)). / > > Good shot :> *ROTFL* i hope you're not laughing at the "most popular" bit. it just so happens to be true (that there are more microsoft windows (tm) desktops _and_ servers than anything else). something to think about... :( -- Henry Yen Aegis Information Systems, Inc. Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York

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Re: Great job AT&T (re: Microsoft problems)
by Jeff Frost 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

The big problem reaching hotmai,l as a few people have pointed out, is reaching passport.com (where you get redirected from www.hotmail.com if you aren't already logged in). Interestingly enough, the passport.com domain uses 2 of the same 4 nameserver...or at least alleged nameservers that microsoft.com uses: entropy:/home/jeff% nslookup -q=ns microsoft.com Server: squid.digitalpipe.com Address: 64.68.70.135 Non-authoritative answer: microsoft.com nameserver = DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET microsoft.com nameserver = DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET microsoft.com nameserver = DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET microsoft.com nameserver = DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET Authoritative answers can be found from: DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.12 DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.21 DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.20 DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.11 entropy:/home/jeff% nslookup -q=ns passport.com Server: squid.digitalpipe.com Address: 64.68.70.135 Non-authoritative answer: passport.com nameserver = DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET passport.com nameserver = DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET Authoritative answers can be found from: DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.11 DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.12 Anyone want to speculate on why passport.com would only list 2 of the 4 nameservers? Also, anyone want to speculate why all the nameservers are in the same subnet? Oh, I guess they aren't necessarily in the same subnet, but it sure seems likely doesn't it? On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Yogesh Devaraj wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Dave McKay wrote: > > > > > > > > Sean Donelan (sean(a)donelan.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, AT&T couldn't fix the problem, but at least their customer > > > > service people knew there was a problem and were willing to attempt > > > > contact with someone at Microsoft. > > > > > > > > Most Microsoft sites (Microsoft.com, MSN.com, Hotmail.com, etc.) > > > > are affected. The Microsoft technical team is troubleshooting this > > > > issue. > > > > > > Hotmail has had no impact regarding this issue. > > > > > > > > > > Dave, are you certain of that? > > > > i don't have any problems accessing hotmail.. but have with microsoft.com. > > > traceroute www.hotmail.com > traceroute: Warning: checksums disabled > traceroute: Warning: www.hotmail.com has multiple addresses; using 209.185.243.135 > traceroute to www.hotmail.com (209.185.243.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 171.69.58.2 (171.69.58.2) 0.93 ms 0.65 ms 0.60 ms > 2 sjce-bb1-gw2.cisco.com (171.69.14.77) 0.76 ms 0.69 ms 0.65 ms > 3 sjce-corp-gw2.cisco.com (171.69.14.165) 0.77 ms 0.74 ms 0.67 ms > 4 sj-wall-2.cisco.com (198.92.1.138) 0.65 ms 0.97 ms 0.80 ms > 5 sjc-k-dirty-gw1.cisco.com (192.31.7.30) 1.83 ms 0.98 ms 0.65 ms > 6 barrnet-gw.cisco.com (128.107.240.182) 3.54 ms 2.31 ms 4.22 ms > 7 s6-2.paloalto-cr1.bbnplanet.net (4.1.142.237) 3.40 ms 1.78 ms 1.66 ms > 8 p0-2.mshotmail.bbnplanet.net (4.0.24.6) 6.26 ms 5.11 ms 5.17 ms > 9 * * * > 10 law5-rsp-c-f810.hotmail.com (216.32.183.14) 11.25 ms 8.19 ms 6.39 ms > 11 lc2.law5.hotmail.com (209.185.243.135) 8.20 ms 6.73 ms 6.66 ms > > > traceroute www.microsoft.com > traceroute: Warning: ckecksums disabled > traceroute: unknown host www.microsoft.com > > _Yogesh_ > > > Because I can't get to the hotmail.com login page right this second and have > > received complaints from several associates that they can't get into their > > hotmail accounts. > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Frost VP Technology > > <jeff(a)digitalpipe.net> Digital Pipe Communications, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: peer "sanity" filters - best practices?
by Sean Donelan 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

On Wed, 24 January 2001, "David P. Maynard" wrote: > Several times over the past few years, the NANOG list has discussed the > topic of if or how non-transit peer BGP announcements should be filtered. > I searched through the archives, but couldn't find where anyone had > published a summary of best practices for filtering announcements from > peers that aren't one of the "top N" (for some debatable value of N) > NSPs. I don't know why you wouldn't also filter the Top N providers, since most of the huge problems have resulted in poor filtering between large providers. A small provider can't really have much of an impact on the net unless their bogus announcements are propagated. Its the propagation of bad information which turns it into a worldwide problem. As to your question. Try searching for discussion about "access-list 112" It will be a bit heated, but you'll find a few usefull tidbits in there.

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Re: Microsoft spokesperson blames ICANN
by Scott Gifford 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

"Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve(a)opaltelecom.co.uk> writes: > Out of interest.. does anyone happen to know why rs.internic.net reports > the following of microsoft.com? > > [rs.internic.net] [ ... ] > MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM [ etc... ] That's a fairly recent trick (which has been discussed here before); the default Whois search is a substring search. Since anybody with a domain can register their DNS servers with any registrar, the smartass owner of 'hacksware.com' just named their nameserver: MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM which is a legitate name for a nameserver, and contains the substring microsoft.com. You can work around it by only searching domains (not nameservers): whois 'domain microsoft.com' Either funny or disturbing, depending on how you look at it. Perhaps both . . . -----ScottG.

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Re: Maintenance Windows for Networks Spanning Multiple Time Zones
by Kurt Erik Lindqvist 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:20:03 EST, "Brett L. Hawn" said: > > Pardon my intrusion, but common sense tells me: at a time where you will > > have the least amount of impact on the least amount of people. > > I'll play devil's advocate here. Do you want to minimize the impact on > the end users, or the number of phone calls generated to the NOC? ;) > > And yes, we're alledgedly a one time zone shop. But I've gotten complaints > from Europe when our 3AM window for Listserv updates impacted *their* > ability to post stuff *right now*. Didn't I *understand* that this was > *important* and that it was already *10AM* there? ;) > > And I believe the *original* question was (or at least intended to be) > "how do I *calculate/guess* when I'll have the least impact on least users". > And *that* is probably still in the realm of black magic.... One of doing this is to split into several zones. We have one for US work, one for transatlantic and one for Europe. This increases the complexity but tends to lower the impact per maintenace session. - kurtis -

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Microsoft spokesperson blames ICANN
by Sean Donelan 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Microsoft appears to be blaming ICANN for the failure with Microft's domain name servers (all located at the same place at Microsoft). Microsoft has yet to pin down the cause of the DNS error. "It can be a system or human error, but somebody could also have done this intentionally," De Jonge said. "We don't manage the DNS ourselves, it is a system controlled by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) with worldwide replicas." http://www.idg.net/ic_386962_1793_1-1681.html Microsoft gamers (users of www.zone.com) quickly came up with various workarounds so they could continue playing. They were posting HOSTS.TXT files on various gamer bulletin boards overnight. In particular "Asheron's Call" had several problems during the last week, including banning a number of users and rolling back experience points due to a game bug.

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Re: Great job AT&T (re: Microsoft problems)
by jamie rishaw 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

So, does anyone know what really is going on (from a technical POV) ? On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:29:30PM -0600, Dave McKay wrote: > > Sean Donelan (sean(a)donelan.com) wrote: > > > > Well, AT&T couldn't fix the problem, but at least their customer > > service people knew there was a problem and were willing to attempt > > contact with someone at Microsoft. > > > > Most Microsoft sites (Microsoft.com, MSN.com, Hotmail.com, etc.) > > are affected. The Microsoft technical team is troubleshooting this > > issue. > > Hotmail has had no impact regarding this issue. > > -- > Dave McKay > dave(a)sneakerz.org > Microsoft Global Network Architect >

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MS DNS
by Joe Blanchard 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Looks like a DNS issue. My guess, screwy Primary DNS (or records) then trickles to secondary, ect. Meanwhile everyone and their brother is clicking on their browser to get to these sites, when they don't get there quick enough ppl click again and again, thus causing the excessive traffic... But just a hunch... -Joe Blanchard

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Re: Great job AT&T (re: Microsoft problems)
by Richard A. Steenbergen 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:29:30PM -0600, Dave McKay wrote: > > Sean Donelan (sean(a)donelan.com) wrote: > > > > Well, AT&T couldn't fix the problem, but at least their customer > > service people knew there was a problem and were willing to attempt > > contact with someone at Microsoft. > > > > Most Microsoft sites (Microsoft.com, MSN.com, Hotmail.com, etc.) > > are affected. The Microsoft technical team is troubleshooting this > > issue. > > Hotmail has had no impact regarding this issue. > > -- > Dave McKay > dave(a)sneakerz.org > Microsoft Global Network Architect Shouldn't you be deploying WINS? :P -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

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RE: Microsoft spokesperson blames ICANN
by Mathew Butler 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Registered DNS server names? -Mat Butler -----Original Message----- From: Stephen J. Wilcox [mailto:steve@opaltelecom.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:59 PM To: Simon Lockhart; Dave McKay Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Microsoft spokesperson blames ICANN Out of interest.. does anyone happen to know why rs.internic.net reports the following of microsoft.com? [rs.internic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS-BYBIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.COM MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.NU MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATION.COM MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERRORISTS.NET MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.COM MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES.NET MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWORK.COM MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS.FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG MICROSOFT.COM -- Stephen J. Wilcox Internet Manager, Opal Telecom http://www.opaltelecom.co.uk/ Tel: 0161 222 2000 Fax: 0161 222 2008 On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Simon Lockhart wrote: > > >Might I suggest that the Microsoft DNS server software has something to > >do with this problem ;) > > Perhaps every ISP should gang up on M$ and blackhole their /24 with the > DNS servers in, so that they spend even longer trying to work out why it > isn't working ;-) > > Simon > -- > Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 > Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 > BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart(a)bbc.co.uk > Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/ > > > >

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