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Re: bring sense to the ietf - volunteer for nomcom
by Sean Donelan 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

On Sun, 03 September 2000, John Hawkinson wrote: > > I believe it was you who pointed out to me several years ago, real > > operators have more important things to do than volunteer for public > > service stuff. > > Perhaps some of us think the IETF is more important than "public service > stuff." Whether you call it volunteer, or pro bono, or contributing to the community; the nature of IETF does seem to be changing. I don't know if operators are finding the IETF less useful, or the folks interested in working in the IETF have migrated to positions in other types of organizations.

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Re: bring sense to the ietf - volunteer for nomcom
by smd＠clock.org 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

Sean Donelan writes: | I believe it was you who pointed out to me several years ago, real | operators have more important things to do than volunteer for public | service stuff. When I'm wrong, I change my mind. Sean.

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Re: bring sense to the ietf - volunteer for nomcom
by Sean Donelan 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

On Sun, 03 September 2000, smd(a)clock.org wrote: > Oh yes, it was suggested that I point out that today is the deadline > for volunteering. Also, that it would be nice to have more than two > actual operators on the volunteer list (which is 84 persons long now)... I believe it was you who pointed out to me several years ago, real operators have more important things to do than volunteer for public service stuff.

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Re: Cablevision/OptimumOnline Long Island - massive outage
by Sean Donelan 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

On Sun, 03 September 2000, Kai Schlichting wrote: > What could bring down such a large cable system in parts and repeatedly > for many hours at a time is beyond me: one of my SSH sessions just In my experience, its usually a combination of operator error and hardware problems. I've accidently killed a network for 8+ hours. Its amazing how a system can appear to be very stable, and then become irrecoverable after an apparently insignificant change.

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Cablevision/OptimumOnline Long Island - massive outage
by Kai Schlichting 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

Cablevision/OptimumOnline, Long Island, NY has massive roving outages of their cable Internet service swince Friday evening: calling their customer service line gets you 30+ min. waits before a drone answers who will ask if you power-cycled your cable modem and computer, then puts you on hold for another 30+ (I was too impatient to wait longer) to wait for a "technician". The list of cities effected by the outage seems to change (on their on-hold tape) every 2 hours, is somewhere between 6-10 cities at a time, and in 4 calls, I have heard probably 30 different city names by now :) What could bring down such a large cable system in parts and repeatedly for many hours at a time is beyond me: one of my SSH sessions just resumed from being stuck for 11+ hours: Modifying your TCP kernel (or registry - your platform pick) settings to not time out for a few days is a really good idea :) bye,Kai

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Re: bring sense to the ietf - volunteer for nomcom
by smd＠clock.org 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

Oh yes, it was suggested that I point out that today is the deadline for volunteering. Also, that it would be nice to have more than two actual operators on the volunteer list (which is 84 persons long now)... Sean. echo 'I volunteer' | Mail -s 'NOMCOM VOLUNTEER' aboba(a)internaut.com

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bring sense to the ietf - volunteer for nomcom
by smd＠clock.org 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

Dear Operators - Please take a moment to volunteer yourself for the next NOMCOM. There are an interesting set of IAB and IESG folks whose terms expire, and now is an opportunity to correct the historical under-representation of operators in the choice of appointees to I* bodies. It is pretty simple - check RFC 2727 and the message I attach below. Tell your friends & colleagues too. Sean. - -- Message-Id: <200008291928.PAA29406(a)ietf.org> From: "Bernard Aboba" <aboba(a)internaut.com> To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: 3rd (and last) Call for nominations committee volunteers Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:28:10 -0400 Sender: scoya(a)cnri.reston.va.us Lines: 103 Hi - I've been selected to chair the 2000 IETF Nominations Committee, the committee that will select this year's nominees for the IAB and the IESG. The good news is that I don't have a vote. The bad news is that we need to find 10 volunteers to fill this year's NomCom. Details about the NomCom process can be found in RFC 2727. If you've already volunteered, you can check that you're on the volunteer list by looking at: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/internaut/nomcom2k.txt The NomCom is the IETF's way of choosing its leadership. Typically, half of the IAB and half of the IESG is selected each year. It is possible that the NomCom will have to fill more or fewer slots than this, due to the creation or elimination of positions by the IESG, resignations, transfers, etc. IESG members whose terms are up include Fred Baker, IETF Chair; Scott Bradner, Transport; Randy Bush, Operations & Management; Patrik Faltstrom, Applications; Thomas Narten, Internet; Dave Oran, Routing; and Jeff Schiller, Security. IAB members whose terms are up include: Harald Alvestrand, Ran Atkinson, Rob Austein, Steve Deering, Tony Hain and Geoff Huston. For the NomCom to work as it should, the pool from which the volunteers are chosen should be as large as possible. The more people who volunteer, the better chance we have of choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF population. Volunteering for the NomCom is also a good way of serving the IETF community. So please volunteer. NomCom members are barred from nomination during the year they serve, even if they later resign. Therefore being selected for the NomCom provides complete immunity against selection for the IAB or IESG during that year. People who volunteer should be sure they can the afford the time, several hours per week for the next 4-5 months. The task basically involves the following activities: - Reading candidate's statements - Participating in a weekly 2 hour conference call. - Attending the IETF meetings held during the selection process. - Doing several interviews. - Speaking to IETF participants about the candidates, the job requirements or the process. All NomCom deliberations and supporting information that relates to specific nominees, candidates, and confirmed candidates are confidential. The NomCom members will be exposed to confidential information as a result of their deliberations, their interactions with those they consult, and from those who provide requested supporting information. All members are expected to handle this information in a manner consistent with its sensitivity. To qualify as a volunteer, a person needs to have attended 2 out of the last 3 IETF meetings. Anyone who meets this requirement is invited to volunteer by emailing your name, telephone number(s), and email address to aboba(a)internaut.com no later than September 3, 2000. Please put "NOMCOM VOLUNTEER" in the subject line. Once the list closes, I'll provide the list to the IETF secretariat for them to verify the eligibility of the each of the volunteers (e.g. has attended at least 2 of the last 3 IETFs). I will also ask them to publish the list prior to verification for volunteers to confirm that I actually got their email volunteering. We will then run the selection process and announce the results the week of September 11, 2000. Ten (10) NomCom voting members will be chosen from the pool of volunteers according to the procedure described by Donald Eastlake in RFC 2777, "Publicly Verifiable Nomcom Random Selection". The source of randomness will be based on the shares traded number of 12 stocks selected by the NomCom chair. The official shares traded numbers (denoted in 000s) will be drawn from the September 8, 2000 Wall Street Journal which reports the sales figures from the previous day - September 7, 2000. If trading in any of the stocks is suspended, then the shares traded will be assumed to be 0. Please volunteer. Please convince your friends to volunteer. Thank you, Bernard Aboba <aboba(a)internaut.com> STOCKS USED IN THE NOMCOM SELECTION PROCESS: eBay, Inc. (EBAY) Merill Lynch & Company (DJM) Digex, Inc. (DIGX) Dreyer's Grand Ice Cream (DRYR) Pepsico, Inc. (PEP) Target Corp. (TGT) Applied Materials, Inc. (AMAT) Norsk Hydro AS (NHY) Colgate Palmolive Company (CL) Maxtor Corp (MXTR) Home Depot, Inc. (HD) Boise Cascade Corp (BCC)

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nanog down ?
by Jan-Ahrent Czmok 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

is nanog mailinglist down? Jan -- Jan Ahrent Czmok Head of International Peering Department Gigabell AG http://www.gigabell.net phone: +49 69 17084-716

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RE: When IPv6 ... if ever?
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

> It doesn't make any business sense. The model is broken, > and as long as it's broken, large-scale deployment of IPv6 will > be extremely slow if it happens at all. This is kind of what I was getting to. IPv6 seems stuck in the same type of morass as new TLDs. Maybe, with less business potential.

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Re: IPv6 allocatin (was Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting)
by smd＠clock.org 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

| Internet2 provides the same thing, only faster; I'm sorry, but parts of my network are ALREADY faster than Internet2's network by a factor of four. Other fully commercial networks are also well beyond the technology that most academics brag about. The ONLY interesting large-scale academic networking project is currently being done by CANARIE, which ironically I used to call a pretty bird with a beautiful song and no ability to fly anywhere. If you want to appreciate interesting research networking ignore both I2 and v6, check out the MANET stuff in the IETF, and try to get the folks there to think much bigger scale. Sean.

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