February 2000 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Re: early warning mailing list?
by Sean Donelan 03 Feb '00

03 Feb '00

On Wed, 02 February 2000, Dan Hollis wrote: > Is there an 'early warning' mailing list for up-to-the-minute alerts > about in-progress DoS attacks, portscanning, etc? The for-profit security companies, e.g. McAfee, Computer Associates, Symantec; frequently issue alerts via Businesswire and PR Newswire. They seem to compete with each other on who can get a press release out first. Although its not real-time, the NIPC puts out CyberNotes every two weeks. Its a good summary of what's happening. Look in publications on the http://www.nipc.gov/ web site. There are a number of real-time intrusion detection projects underway. The good ones seem to fade in and out, and focused on a single customer base. But I'm not aware of any which feed real-time reports to a public list, such as the case for spam hunters.

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NoOp: NANOG, boating, art galleries, raves, networking for geeks
by Lauren F. Nowlin 03 Feb '00

03 Feb '00

Hi all, Several NANOGrs have asked for a summary of the social details for this weekend in the Bay Area... Here is the basic agenda: Saturday, 5-Feb: 3:00 pm: Meet in the lobby at the DoubleTree. Will caravan from San Jose to SFO & sightsee until 5 pm 5:00-5:15 pm.: Entrance to Pier 39 for a sunset boat trip around the Bay. $10 per person. 7:30 pm: Casual chat over dinner at Fisherman's Grotto #9. I'm going to make the reservation for 8 pm under the name NANOG but really need to give the restaurant as close as possible to accurate numbers... so, please RSVP if you haven't already. 10:00 pm: The art gallery is at 1151 Mission and there is a huge parking lot right across the street that charges $5. There will be water & beer (pale, red & stout). The bottom of this message will have short bios for each of the DJ's. 10-11:30 Mark Musselman 11:30-1:15 Spesh 1:15-3:00 Biojeff Sunday, 6-Feb: Bill Norton - wbn(a)equinix.com - is coordinating the paintball/Santa Cruz trip 5:00 pm meet in the lobby of the DoubleTree to forage for sushi. Looking forward to seeing y'all, -Ren Mark Musselman - Dir. Business Development, Cidera (formerly Skycache). Newcomer on the SF music scene, Mark honed his skills on the East Coast in the early InterCon and Digex days. Expect an eclectic mix of futuristic Breaks and Beats in the House. Mark is also looking for terrestrial network partners to stream audio and video of this event in conjunction with the Cidera satellite system. Hmmm, can't think of anything else. I'm not published yet. (soon hopefully!) DJ Spesh was born and raised in the scrappy ghettos of St. Helena. His DJ roots can be traced back to that fateful day he broke the knobs on his father's stereo from continuously turning the volume and balance knobs back and forth and back and forth after drinking a six pack of Coke and eating a bag of Funyuns. Since then, Spesh has had numerous residencies at SF clubs, co-founded and then co-produced tracks on the seminal Trip 'n Spin Recordings label, been the other half of the duo known as Jondi & Spesh (as seen on MTV's AMP and in the record/cd shops of America), and partnered with Lasse Loöq and Jondi to form Loöq Records. Jondi & Spesh have released well over a dozen records since '94. As SF's premiere underground progressive house and techno DJ, Spesh creates hard-bangin' fist pumpin' totally smooth mixes whenever he touches the turntables. A variety of phreeks and qoölios can be seen modulating to his booming sets every week at the techno underground happy hour "Qoöl" (every Wednesday at 111 Minna from 5-9pm). When not on the decks or in the studio, Spesh is usually hard at work at the grill. A fifth degree black belt in BBQ, Spesh has been known to simultaneously cook fifteen to twenty large pieces of meat to succulent perfection. links related to spesh: www.looq.com spesh's music is archived on: www.technostate.com www.groovetech.com Hi Ren, MarkM asked me to email you with a blurb about myself, so here goes. I have been dj'ing for ~10 years and promote a monthly S.F. party called Rotate. I am also an integral member of the Syntonic parties. Along with spinning, I write music in the studio with a friend under the name Bandwidth. One of our tracks is featured in the movie Groove. I have streamed sets on www.groovefactory.com and www.radio-v.com. Thats about it... Oh yea, I like good beer! -Ren Lauren F. Nowlin, ren(a)onyx.net / peering(a)onyx.net Director, Peering & Interconnects - http://www.onyx.net/peering/ Onyx Networks, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Pacific Gateway Exchange Voice: 650-558-3262, Fax: 650-558-3160, Cellphone: 650-281-6963

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Re: NON-OP RE: SERVER NAMES
by Ron Buchalski 02 Feb '00

02 Feb '00

>From: "Derek J. Balling" <dredd(a)megacity.org> >To: <rslux(a)link-net.com>, "DeepBlue" <james(a)darkblue.net> >CC: <nanog(a)merit.edu> >Subject: Re: NON-OP RE: SERVER NAMES >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:39:25 -0800 > > Don't forget the momentarily-popular Pokemon. There are 152 of them. -rb (I have kids...) >Magic The Gathering works well. There's a bajillion names you can use and >since its a money-maker for the company, they'll keep making cards, so >you'll keep having names to use unless you fill up some huge data-center >somewhere with machines. :) > >D > >At 11:30 AM 2/2/00 -0800, Rachel Luxemburg wrote: > >>The list is endless. Here's a few off the top of my head: >>Babylon 5 >>UserFriendly >>Magic the Gathering >>Lord of the Rings >>Zodiac signs >>Greek / Roman gods >> >> >>or if you're really brave... Pokemon! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of >>DeepBlue >>Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:05 AM >>To: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' >>Subject: SERVER NAMES >> >> >>This is a little off of the normal lines of the list. But I am at a loss >>as >>to what naming convention I should use with my new set of servers. I have >>already used Southpark, Jet sons,and Warner brothers cartoons. Does any >>one >>have any good suggestions other than the Super Friends? >> >>I apologize ahead of time if this email seems useless to some of you.. but >>humor me please. >> >> >>James >>james(a)iceblue.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: inter-NOC communications (was:Re: Definition of Congestion)
by Howard C. Berkowitz 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

At 03:30 PM 01/31/2000 -0800, dave o'leary wrote: >Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of >times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many >barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear >that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with >each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all >friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between >NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. > > dave I have to chuckle reading this thread. We can't even get our NOCs to talk to each other, and Marketing people think we can do Inter-Provider QOS?? Hopefully I will have retired at an early age before we burn that bridge :) -Steve

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Definition of Congestion
by Sean Donelan 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

The spooks have been working overtime, the NSA spent $1.5 million dollars this week recovering from a computer failure starting Monday. It was restored on Thursday, just about the time people started reporting strange problems on the Internet. Concidence? But on a more serious note. Alan used the word "congestion" in one of his messages. Congestion doesn't seem to have a very strict definition. It covers everything from a multi-week service interruption, to a dropped packet which triggers slow-start. Should the Internet follow the nuclear and power industry and come up with a set of standarized terms for different degrees of events: blackout, brownout, flicker, etc. Or follow the telecommunication industry which uses a single word, congestion, for most problems.

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Re: inter-NOC communications (was:Re: Definition of Congestion)
by Sean Donelan 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

On Mon, 31 January 2000, "dave o'leary" wrote: > Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of > times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many > barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear > that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with > each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all > friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between > NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. According to a Telcordia survey of 25 "nontraditional" communication companies (ISPs, wireless, cable, etc) 82% of the respondents said they informed customers about outages and service degradation. If this number seems high, remember this is a self-reported survey, not neccessarily what actually happens when a company has a severe problem with their network. About 40% of the respondants said they informed industry groups and other companies about the most severe and selected other problems. Again, based on self-reporting. One interesting statistic was about 5% of the survey sample said they didn't even tell other people in their own company about severe outages or degradations of service. I'm guessing this was a statistical artifact, like the 5% of voters who report they don't know for whom they voted when asked in exit polls on election day. But maybe some companies really don't tell even other parts of the same company when they have a problem. Note: the survey was completed on July 9, 1999; and may not reflect changes in company policies after major outages since last summer.

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Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !
by John Hawkinson 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

Why is discussion of a single site's DNS configuration screwup appropriate for NANOG? Is your goal to get the word out to people who use E*TRADE? I don't think NANOG is right for that. Is your goal to get the word out to network providers of people who use E*TRADE? Do you really expect that many of them will forward this announcement or make good use of it? Should a message be sent to NANOG every time CNN, Netscape, or Yahoo go down? Am I missing something here? [Like a sense of humor?] --jhawk > Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu > X-Sender: (Unverified) > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:57 -0500 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > From: Kai Schlichting <kai(a)pac-rim.net> > Subject: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record ! > Precedence: bulk > Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu > X-Loop: nanog > > > Expect some major customer complaints about this one: www.etrade.com has > no A record, and all other addresses are redirected to that very name. > > I just sent this to Etrade:

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