January 2000 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Is there a PSI.NET person in the house?
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 11 Apr '00

11 Apr '00

I just got half a hundred of these (and 123 of these last Friday) and all e-mail, to the usual locations, bounces or gets ignored. I am livid, I am pissed, I am *really* wanting to SMURF PSI.NET because they have been a spam-harbor for *years*! PSI.NET should have made it into the RBL a long time ago. >Return-Path: <admin1(a)fnmail.com> >Received: from beta.pragmatix.com (epsilon.pragmatix.com [205.166.32.6] (may >be forged)) > by condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA18857 > for <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 05:04:57 -0800 >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 05:04:57 -0800 >From: admin1(a)fnmail.com >Message-Id: <199903011304.FAA18857(a)condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com> >Received: from jgroves (ip33.phoenix8.az.pub-ip.psi.net [38.29.61.33]) by >beta.pragmatix.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service >Version 5.5.1960.3) > id FS46B0Z3; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:33:11 -0500 >To: travelers(a)ibm.net >Subject: Make $$, Travel and Have Fun! >X-UIDL: 2ddab26e92763572b29a9545c30b592f ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer - e-mail: mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.lvrmr.mhsc.com Personal web pages: http://staff.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: http://www.mhsc.com ___________________________________________________ KISS ... gotta love it!

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Definition of Congestion
by Sean Donelan 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

The spooks have been working overtime, the NSA spent $1.5 million dollars this week recovering from a computer failure starting Monday. It was restored on Thursday, just about the time people started reporting strange problems on the Internet. Concidence? But on a more serious note. Alan used the word "congestion" in one of his messages. Congestion doesn't seem to have a very strict definition. It covers everything from a multi-week service interruption, to a dropped packet which triggers slow-start. Should the Internet follow the nuclear and power industry and come up with a set of standarized terms for different degrees of events: blackout, brownout, flicker, etc. Or follow the telecommunication industry which uses a single word, congestion, for most problems.

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Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !
by John Hawkinson 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

Why is discussion of a single site's DNS configuration screwup appropriate for NANOG? Is your goal to get the word out to people who use E*TRADE? I don't think NANOG is right for that. Is your goal to get the word out to network providers of people who use E*TRADE? Do you really expect that many of them will forward this announcement or make good use of it? Should a message be sent to NANOG every time CNN, Netscape, or Yahoo go down? Am I missing something here? [Like a sense of humor?] --jhawk > Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu > X-Sender: (Unverified) > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:57 -0500 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > From: Kai Schlichting <kai(a)pac-rim.net> > Subject: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record ! > Precedence: bulk > Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu > X-Loop: nanog > > > Expect some major customer complaints about this one: www.etrade.com has > no A record, and all other addresses are redirected to that very name. > > I just sent this to Etrade:

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Re: inter-NOC communications (was:Re: Definition of Congestion)
by Paul Vixie 31 Jan '00

31 Jan '00

doleary(a)juniper.net ("dave o'leary") writes: > Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of > times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many > barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear > that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with > each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all > friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between > NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. as in, "i'm sorry, but there's no word for ``outage'' in our language." (feh.) -- Paul Vixie <vixie(a)mibh.net> SVP for Internet Services, MFNX M.I.B.H. Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Metromedia Fiber Network, Inc.

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Okay, stupid question...
by Bill Woodcock 30 Jan '00

30 Jan '00

...but where the heck do you go to register new .edu domains now? All the registrar/registry mess just talks about .com/.net/.org, and although NSI's web site refers to .edu registrations 294 times in their documentation, it's always with respect to the text form submissions, which they don't accept any more, and their retarded web interface doesn't appear to have any options for .edu registrations. Anybody have any pointers? -Bill

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Re: External Events (was Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !)
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

On Sat, 29 January 2000, Alan Hannan wrote: > > I support John in his opinion that NANOG > is not an appropriate forum for real-time > outage reporting. Probably true. I've found the best real-time outage reporting for GlobalCenter is watching the Associated Press wire for stories about Yahoo.

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External Events (was Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !)
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

On Tue, 25 January 2000, John Hawkinson wrote: > Is your goal to get the word out to network providers of people > who use E*TRADE? Do you really expect that many of them will > forward this announcement or make good use of it? Should > a message be sent to NANOG every time CNN, Netscape, or Yahoo > go down? > > Am I missing something here? [Like a sense of humor?] External events have an affect on network service and network operators. Why do most NOC's have one or more monitors tuned to CNN and the Weather channel all day and all night? Ok, I know the real reason, but what is the reason the sales people tell prospective clients? The question is really one of editorial policy and how significant is any individual event. I don't think there is really one answer which can cover everything. The Internet (RTM) worm affected only VAX and Sun computers, an estimated 10% of the Internet of the day. If you didn't use Sun or VAXen, it would have been an irrelevent event for you. When AOL forgot to put a GUARDIAN password on its domains, and there where changed to a tiny ISP, if you didn't use AOL it may have been irrelevent to you. When Cisco, Bay and GATED BGP implementations had a disagreement on whether ASNs could be repeated in an as-path, it may have been irrelevent to you if you used a different BGP implementation or router. Whether a particular NSI problem, an E*Trade problem, or an Ebay problem, or a Cisco CCO problem is really significant enough to talk about semi- publically is tough. It would be nice if each company was willing to make timely disclosures about problems. But as we've seen time and time again, companies would prefer to never to acknowledge they had any problem until it becomes impossible to ignore (e.g. Worldcom's 10 days of hell last summer).

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Pre-Superbowl(tm) review
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

What's happening? AT&T Global Network (aka former IBM) is having network problems. AT&T Local Services (aka former TCG) Los Angeles seems to be fubared. Multiple peers are reporting problems with Sprint. PSI is having problems in Atlanta. Mindspring killed part of their network. Did everyone come out of their Y2K network freezes this week, and are now catching up on a lot of deferred network upgrades and maintenance before Superbowl weekend?

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Worldcom Fiber Cut Vernon, CA
by Tom 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

MCI Worldcom has a fiber cut in Vernon, CA, that is affecting 12 OC48's. Splicers are in route and there is no ETR. Cheers, Tom -------------------------------------------- T h o m a s K e i t e l t o m @ b o n z i . c o m ( n e t w o r k a d m i n i s t r a t o r ) -------------------------------------------- L i v e f r e e o r d i e -------------------------------------------- T h o m a s K e i t e l t o m @ b o n z i . c o m ( n e t w o r k a d m i n i s t r a t o r ) -------------------------------------------- L i v e f r e e o r d i e

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Re: Pre-Superbowl(tm) review
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

Folks sent me various reasons for the current string of problems. Several Denial of Service attacks in progress, which apparently affected several connections between networks. I've gotten conflicting stories from the providers on either side of those connections. GTEI/BBN made a BGP configuration error, messing up backbone routes for about 25 minutes. AT&T had a problem with ATM software, and is currently backing it out of their switches. I'm extremely confused by AGNS, ALS, and Worldnet descriptions of the problem. Whether it is a single problem affecting all of them or different problems. Mindspring had some kind of DNS problem, with the usual results. PSI had power and facility outages in different locations.

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