June 1998 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

gated
by brad 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

just in the defense of those who love gated for the ratty little program it is (as opposed to those commercially minded buffoons), we will let grep show us the way. ahh.... but it still works. bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c:fuckup: bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c:fuckup: bgp_rt.c: (void) strcpy(buf, "timer fucked!"); slsp.h: u_long slsp_st_fucked_lsps; /* screwed up LSPs */ slsp_io.c: ("slsp_io_recv: %A->%A length %u SN packet has fucked up byte %02x", slsp_mib.c: return o_integer(oi, v, inp->slsp_stats.slsp_st_fucked_lsps); task.c: * task_time_fucked() - called when gettimeofday()/getsystimes() fails. task.c:task_time_fucked __PF0(void) task.c: task_time_fucked(); task.c: task_time_fucked(); task.h: task_time_fucked(); \ task.h: task_time_fucked(); \ task.h: task_time_fucked(); \ task.h:PROTOTYPE(task_time_fucked,

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SPID
by Tatsuya Kawasaki 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

thanx for all of you who helped me. We solved the problem. For those who wish to use TWJ(Japan Teleway), the setting you MUST use is basic-5ESS, or point to point as suposed to mutlipoint. NO SPID. I have learnd a lot from you guys about ISDN. tatsuya = = = = = = Business Network Telecom (BNT) ビジネスネットワークテレコム株式会社〒111-0053　東京都台東区浅草橋3-8-5 31山京ビル6階 TEL 03-5687-3945 FAX 03-5687-6009 http://www.giganet.net

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Re: WorldNIC
by Kent W. England 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

Michael Dillon writes: >On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 11:53:42PM -0400, Steve Sobol wrote: >> > .org was never meant as a domain for nonprofits; it was meant as a >> > catchall to be used when your organization didn't fit into .com, .net, >> > .edu or .gov. >> >> Do you have a reference for that Steven? It doesn't match what I >> remember... > >The MITRE Corporation registered mitre.org in 1985 and the Aerospace >Corporation registered aero.org in 1987. This idea that .ORG was only for >non-profit organizations is an example of historical revisionism >propogated by people who were not there at the time the TLDs were created. MITRE and Aerospace are both "Federal Contract Research Centers" and they don't fit neatly into either .com or .mil, so they ended up in .org which very definitely was the place for not-for-profits that aren't universities, or government agencies or strictly commercial enterprises. --Kent

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nanog-d?
by jamie＠dilbert.ais.net 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

<NOOP> Ponder: nanog-d(a)merit.edu. For non-operational discussion of "advanced", important or current issues, events, anomalies, happenings. Thoughts? Maybe it'll clear up S:N on nanog@. -- jamie rishaw (dal/efnet:gavroche) American Information Systems, Inc. rdm: "Religion is obsolete." gsr: "By what?" jgr: "Solaris." (1996) Tel:312.425.7140, FAX:312.425.7240

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<NOOP>
by jamie＠dilbert.ais.net 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

PSA: Kim took the last Coke product yesterday. I promised someone I'd make the announce. :) </NOOP> -- jamie rishaw (dal/efnet:gavroche) American Information Systems, Inc. rdm: "Religion is obsolete." gsr: "By what?" jgr: "Solaris." (1996) Tel:312.425.7140, FAX:312.425.7240

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NSF Internet Funding Examples Related to NANOG
by Jim Fleming 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

NSF Internet Funding Examples Related to NANOG @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1998/nsf98121/nsf98121.htm Money for studies on how the U.S. Government can better use the Internet in its operations. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/cgi-bin/showaward?award=9321043 USC/ISI and Merit Proposal to Develop, Deploy and Operate the Routing Arbiter $10,149,218 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/cgi-bin/showaward?award=9616597 Network Startup Resource Center (NSRC) $769,945 Randall J Bush - http://www.nsrc.org @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/cgi-bin/showaward?award=9615927 USC/ISI Testbed Routers for Advanced Internet Lab (TRAIL) $1,499,999 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com 1998 - The Year of the C+@ IS Coordinator for the AM Radio Station Registry - http://www.DOT.AM

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arbitrary SWIP rewriting by ARIN?
by David P. Maynard 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

This is probably borderline as an operational issue, but have other people noticed how ARIN sometimes makes arbitrary changes to SWIP requests before processing them? In particular, they seem fond of changing the network name field for no apparent reason. There have been two cases where I tried to go back and modify an entry only to have the modify request rejected because the net named "didn't exist." When I checked the records, ARIN had inserted a dash in the middle of the name. The changes were from things like "CUST-BLK1" to "CUST-BLK-1". Neither name was in use before the assignment. If they have a naming standard, I wish they would tell me and not just arbitrarily change my request. Keeping track of everything they want is hard enough without having to account for name changes by ARIN. I was also surprised to get an assignment request bounced once with a hand-written message asking if I really meant to "assign" a block instead of "allocating" it. I responded that, yes, I really meant what I had asked, and they processed it a day or two later. Are SWIP requests all reviewed manually to make sure we are being good children? -dpm -- David P. Maynard, Flametree Corporation EMail: dpm(a)flametree.com, Tel: +1 512 670 4090, Fax: +1 512 251 8308 --

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slides for the meting?
by Ron Jeffries 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

Sorry for a possibly lame question... is there a URL where all slide presentations for the NANOG meeting are available, (or will be available after the meeting)? -- Ron J.

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SPID and portmaster 2 BRI.
by Tatsuya Kawasaki 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

Hello... I am sure someone up there knows something about 5ESS and portmaster 2. Our local teleco does not seem to know what SPID is. As far as I know according to the livingston manual, I should set up SPID in order to use ISDN.(well actually it is not true for switch type NTT.) I even call the company who sold the 5ESS to the teleco, Lucent Techonologies, Japan, they could not help us all. According a field engineer, he has never heard of it. He looked up the manual, he could not find SPID. Now this bring me to ask someone in this group. 1. What SPID is called in teleco lingo? 2. what switch types are capable with lucent 5ESS? 2.1 why can I find out which switch type we are really getting? 2.3 all I know from the teleco is their telecom "machine" is called 5ESS. 2.4 They believe 5ESS is the switch type but ... 3. what network layer does this SPID setting is used? 3.1 any more info on this SPID on ITU 400s ? 4. Does anyone use portmaster 2 with BRI on 5ESS switch type? 5. Any direct number to lucent Techologies that I could ask some questions about SPID and 5ESS stuff? 6. Any suggestions? sincerely yours, Tatsuya = = = = = = Business Network Telecom (BNT) ビジネスネットワークテレコム株式会社〒111-0053　東京都台東区浅草橋3-8-5 31山京ビル6階 TEL 03-5687-3945 FAX 03-5687-6009 http://www.giganet.net

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Fwd: Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

So far, I've had a large number of questions about a statement I made here in NANOG. The statement was made in passing, while I was looking for sources for something that would run BGP4 and allow us to transition from static single-homing to dynamic multi-homing. Rather than answer, yet many more inquiries, I am posting the answer here in NANOG, to fore-stall further such inquiries. MHSC prefers open-source whenever we can get it and prefer to run reference-standard code. This is why we run sendmail v8.8.8, qpopper, BIND, and others. We are a Caldera VAR and our servers are built up from Caldera Open Linux Standard edition, with about 30 add-ons <groan>. We *do* have BRU, Netscape, and other commercial binaries that have been bought, but not before attempting to find acceptable reference-standards. We have also provided DewPoint/Caldera with input towards an Enterprise Server distribution for Linux. Anyway, we've applied for an ASN and ran into the BGP4 requirement. Ergo, we were looking for the reference-standard BGP4 implementation, which is GateD. We (I) was *very* surprised at the attitude exhibited at <http://www.gated.org>. Very much anti-commercial. But, that does not matter to me as I have $other$ things to worry about (Paying the rent around here is one of them <sigh>). Ergo, having run *that* trail to ground, I posted a query here in NANOG, that Dean Anderson, Shane Wright, Craig Labovit, and others have answered. I now have gated v3.5.9, for Linux, and am building it now. I'll probably run into trouble, as I do with most things that don't have a configure script, or have an otherwise non-standard build process (Why is it that *only* the academic originated stuff is such a PITA? <sigh>). Back to the point, we are a commercial technology R&D house that is also bringing up an ISP (MHSC.NET) As such, since we actually have a gawd-awful-scummy profit motive (why else form a corporation?), we do not qualify for Academic membership in the Gated Consortium. The prices that I quote here are for the level of membership which MHSC would have to sign-up for in order to obtain what we really need. There are lower-orders of membership, but if you look at the URLs you'll find that the minimum is $10s of K-bucks$ for the first year, plus an annual maintentance agreement of, at least, half of the first year premium (and we thought we had profit-at-heart). Being a startup, we don't need such expense (it comes out of *my* pocket, personally, and I ain't that rich). Again, this is not a rant at the gated folks. I frankly wasn't much surprised. I thank all those who helped me obtain the sources for gated-3.5.9. BTW, Flemming did comment that since gated was NSF funded, it may be inappropriate for such fees to be charged. In reallity, the message clearly states that "start-ups need not apply". They just want to keep out the riff-raff. I've long-ago quit getting emotional about these things and have come to expect it from acadamia-types. The URL is ; >The latest public release of gated is 3.5.9 and is available at: > >ftp://gated.merit.edu/net-research/gated/gated-3-5-9.tar.gz > >Lots of information regarding licenses, bug reports, and releases can be >found at http://www.gated.org/ > > >Cheers, >Shane Thank you, Shane. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- >Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:08:54 -0700 >To: Jim Fleming <JimFleming(a)unety.net> >From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com> >Subject: Re: $110,000 for Source Code > >At 09:46 PM 6/7/98 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: >> >>Roeland, >> >>I noticed your comment on NANOG about $110,000 >>for souce code. I must say, I was confused. What did >>that cover ? >> >>Who is that paid to ? > >As an answer, I'll quote a message I wrote to someone else about this same issue. > >>At 08:24 PM 6/7/98 -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: >>>>Where can I get latest and which is the latest. I prefer open-source but >>>>I'll take binary-only if I don't have to cough-up the $110KUS for it. GAWD, >>>>what a rip-off! >>> >>>I'm curious, did someone actually claim to sell bgp4 for linux for 110K? If >>>so, I'd like to know who... >>> >>> --Dean >> >> >> >>From <http://www.gated.org/new_web/code/doc/code_info/product/intro.html#Source Code> >> >>>Source Code >>> >>>The GateD source code, tools and documentation are based on three different product lines: GateD >>>Unicast, GateD Multicast, and GateD IPv6. Each of the products has its own software base, release >>>dates, and product descriptions. >>> >>>New GateD Source code, tools and internal documentation are available to GateD members only . >>>Binaries for utilities or on-line documentation are available for anonymous ftp or via the web. >>> >>>Members of the Academic and Research community can join the Merit GateD Consortium by simply >>>filling out a GateD Academic and Research membership. This membership requires that the member: >>> >>> sign the GateD Membership, >>> register the machines to which GateD source code and/or binaries will be distributed, and, >>> agree to return any enhancements to the project for redistribution. >>> >> >>and as regards the price see <http://www.gated.org/new_web/consort/member_info/prospects/howto.html> >> >>>Across-Product Line Memberships >>> >>> Gold Membership >>> >>> Existing members of two product lines may elect the Gold membership for $45,000. >>> Existing members of one product line may select Gold membership for $75,000. >>> The fee for new members is $110,000. >>> >>> Gold Members have the top level access to GateD sources and to the developers. Internships are >>> available for technical staff members from Gold members. Gold members are helping bring new >>> protocols and services to GateD. Gold members may redistribute GateD binaries for two product >>> lines in commercial products for the duration of the GateD membership. GateD source code for >>> these two product lines may be distributed to development teams at the Member's corporate >>> offices or research sites. Source code may not be distributed in commercial products. >>> >>> Gold members may send 4 voting members to the GateD Consortium meetings. >>> >> >>I say again, "GWAD, what a rip-off!" _________________________________________________ Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (RM993) President and CEO. e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com Web-pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com>http://www.mhsc.com Colorado Springs, CO - Livermore, CA - Morgan Hill, CA -----------------------------------------(legal notice)-------- Note: Statements made in this message do not necessarily reflect the position of MHSC. 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