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uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape
by Jim Fleming 30 May '97

30 May '97

As promised, it looks like the uDNS[1] Root Name Server Confederation is taking shape. The founders appear to be taking a careful approach and are adding more servers. The eDNS Root Name Server Confederation will remain stable to continue to serve ISPs. There are 5 servers in the eDNS Root Name Server Confederation. The major Root Name Server Confederations are now: AlterNIC InterNIC eDNS name.space NSI/ISI uDNS When the uDNS Root Name Server Confederation reaches 4 servers, it will be added to the automated reportin system that helps to keep all of the Root Name Server Confederations in "synch". [1] ========================================= ; <<>> DiG 2.1 <<>> @208.195.108.8 . any ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 4, Auth: 3, Addit: 3 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; ., type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: . 172800 SOA root.starfire.douglas.ma.us. hostmaster.starfire.douglas.ma.us. ( 1997052900 ; serial 43200 ; refresh (12 hours) 900 ; retry (15 mins) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 172800 ) ; minimum (2 days) . 518400 NS root.starfire.douglas.ma.us. . 518400 NS hp.manhattan.com. . 518400 NS DONTSERF.MAKEWAVES.NET. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: . 518400 NS root.starfire.douglas.ma.us. . 518400 NS hp.manhattan.com. . 518400 NS DONTSERF.MAKEWAVES.NET. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: root.starfire.douglas.ma.us. 86400 A 208.195.108.8 hp.manhattan.com. 172800 A 199.103.194.137 DONTSERF.MAKEWAVES.NET. 172800 A 204.94.43.1 ;; Total query time: 5393 msec ;; FROM: doormat.unety.net to SERVER: 208.195.108.8 ;; WHEN: Fri May 30 01:31:17 1997 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 17 rcvd: 254 ============================================

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NANOG speaker abstracts
by Susan R. Harris 30 May '97

30 May '97

Just wanted to mention that a few abstracts, pointers to Internet-Drafts etc. have been posted for next week's meeting: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9706/agenda.html --Susan Harris

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Re: Shutdown of lists on May 30th at 12:01 AM
by George Herbert 30 May '97

30 May '97

While there's a lot of posturing going on right now, I have a few questions and issues that I feel are relatively substantive that i'd like to see answered or discussed. First of all, it concerns me greatly that the IAHC/iPOC process has resulted so far in more legalese regarding how apparently unbinding yet binding challenge panels regarding domain names are to be empowered than working code or protocols related to the actual implimentation of the new TLDs and their servers and registries. In an amongst the policy disputes, we seem to have entirely lost the "old" way, and this is not a good development for anyone. I would like a clear status update on implimentation from the iPOC people... I'd love to be shown to be wrong on this one, having the actual work underpublicized is bad but not nearly as serious, but I would like to know. Secondly, I am somewhat dismayed by some of the iPOC (and other) positions regarding the solidness of grounding of support for the IAHC and iPOC process and its lack of acknowledgement for the chaotic path that got us this far. Remember the numberous draft RCFs by Jon Postel, and Karl Denninger. There were a couple of times we thought we had consensus and proceeded to lose it. What we have ended up with in the MOU is far different from what we started out looking for, and in fact had come very close to agreeing to more than once. This is not to say I disagree with the MOU; the political realities of the world and the internet and their interactions have shifted, and the MOU reflects that. However, in particular regarding .WEB, it would be very wise to recall that when the origional application was made by Chris Ambler the consensus of "the rules' were far different from what it is today. Refusal of iPOC to bend and acknowledge that is unfortunate, and refusal of Chris to bend and acknowledge that the world shifted would be equally unfortunate. I suggest that in this particular case iPOC make a finding that Chris had a valid prexisting application for .WEB before the process changed, and recognize the precedence of his existing .WEB registrants. I would hope that Chris can understand that sole proprietorship of any GTLD is now deemed inapropriate (and probably rightly so), and with an iPOC finding as described above would agree to sign the MOU and become one of perhaps many .WEB registrars in the resulting framework, with the rights of his existing customers acknowledged and grandfathered in as the initial set of registered .WEB second level domains. As a side issue, those claiming that his claim on .WEB has been shot down just because a couple of hours of oral argument failed to generate a temporary restraining order should not be so confident; it's not at all rare for better prepared further testimony to change the trial outcome from what a TRO or injunction hearing ruled. As a final note, to those advocating the "alternative constellations" of root servers, I offer the following observation: You are completely useless unless your roots are a coordinated superset of the IANA-blessed roots, don't contradict one another, and meet the reliability specifications we've discussed to death over the last 18 months or so. Right now, none of those three is true overall and it appears that for many of the alternate groups none of them are true. If you cannot all get together and make them all true, for at least some significant subset of the "confederations", stop trying to play and go home. The objective factors involved do not change with political arguments among you: if you cannot meet them then you are wasting your time trying. -george william herbert gherbert(a)crl.com Speaking only for myself

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RE: uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape - on a couple ISDN lines
by Jim Fleming 30 May '97

30 May '97

On Thursday, May 29, 1997 6:14 PM, Jamie Rishaw[SMTP:jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net] wrote: <snip> @ @ Somehow I fear putting my DNS in the hands of someone who says "Hmm..." @ over a named.boot file. @ Jamie, Since you are apparently an expert on everything, and a evidently a NANOG member, maybe you can help clarify some items.... 1. What is the official Root Name Server configuration endorsed by NANOG ? 2. How do you feel about "mixing" different kinds of Root Name Servers in the same root.cache file ? 3. How do you feel about moving the Root Name Servers out of the United States ? Are you concerned about the performance issues ? -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp

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RE: uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape - on a couple ISDN lines
by Jim Fleming 30 May '97

30 May '97

On Thursday, May 29, 1997 10:26 PM, Ron Kimball[SMTP:hostmaster@starfire.douglas.ma.us] wrote: @ On Thu, 29 May 1997 23:14:36 -0400 (EDT), Jamie Rishaw wrote: <snip> @ @ Our root server operators got uppidy and shut down the zone as of a @ couple hours from now, we didn't have a whole lot of time to "get it @ right" :-( @ Ron, Maybe the NANOG members can help to add to your growing Root Name Server Confederation ? Maybe Jamie could help out... -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp

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RE: uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape - on a couple ISDN lines
by Jim Fleming 30 May '97

30 May '97

On Thursday, May 29, 1997 6:03 PM, Karl Denninger[SMTP:karl@MCS.Net] wrote: <snip> @ @ @ I rest my case. Only one of these has anything approaching reasonable @ connectivity, all appear to be off single-point failure circuits (except @ possibly manhattan.com) and all are running in non-RFC2010 mode. @ Karl, I am not sure that uDNS claims to be "better" than eDNS. As I understand the situation, eDNS people are now going to focus on building a more robust version of the BIND software and will be focusing on operational excellance and stability. The uDNS people seem to be more interested in supporting a wide-range of Registration Authorities and new Top Level Domains that are somewhat controversial. There does not seem to be a strong "technical" or "operational" slant to the uDNS movement. I am sure that system administrators will be able to make their decision which Root Name Server Confederation they prefer. With 6 active confederations, companies now have a choice. That is what free market help to create. I look forward to working with you on the new version(s) of BIND, and I also look forward to seeing uDNS take shape. Both groups can make a contribution to the Internet. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp

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Re: uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape - on a couple ISDN lines
by Richard J. Sexton 30 May '97

30 May '97

At 08:24 PM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >kook fight in the parking lot at 3 o'clock after school! provider three bets 300 quatloos on Kook #2. -- "You can tell the Internet pioneers, because they're the ones with the bullet holes in their feet." - BKR

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RE: uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape - on a couple ISDN lines
by Jim Fleming 30 May '97

30 May '97

On Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:24 PM, Ben Black[SMTP:black@zen.cypher.net] wrote: @ kook fight in the parking lot at 3 o'clock after school! @ @ Ben, I missed where you fit into this picture. Can you fill everyone in ? Thanks... -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp

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RE: uDNS Root Name Servers Taking Shape - on a couple ISDN lines
by Jim Fleming 30 May '97

30 May '97

On Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:31 PM, Ben Black[SMTP:black@zen.cypher.net] wrote: @ i'm watching and laughing at you from the sidelines. @ @ On Thu, 29 May 1997, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @ > On Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:24 PM, Ben Black[SMTP:black@zen.cypher.net] wrote: @ > @ kook fight in the parking lot at 3 o'clock after school! @ > @ @ > @ @ > @ > Ben, @ > @ > I missed where you fit into this picture. @ > Can you fill everyone in ? @ > @ > Thanks... @ > Enjoy the show, you have not seen anything yet. Stay tuned. Things are going to get better after July 4, 1997 and even better after July 4, 1998. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp

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RE: Shutdown of lists on May 30th at 12:01 AM
by Jim Fleming 29 May '97

29 May '97

On Thursday, May 29, 1997 2:18 PM, Richard J. Sexton[SMTP:edns@vrx.net] wrote: @ At 10:22 AM 5/29/97 -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: <snip> @ @ The word around Washington is IAHC is in trouble. @ The promises made by the IAHC have not come to pass. Consumers are confused. Brokers are pre-registering duplicate names and no one seems to be concerned. The IAHC advocates appear to be endorsing these practices. Now, the people involved in the Registry Industry have to help clean up the mess. That appears to be the main activity at this point. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp

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