May 1995 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

Re: May COOK Report Published tonight (fwd)
by Peter Lothberg 09 May '95

09 May '95

> I hope this is a road they never try to go down. > > Joseph Stroup > > On Sun, 30 Apr 1995, Michael Dillon wrote: > > > > I wonder how many of you have heard about the CIX plans to become THE > > Internet routing arbiter and in other ways replace the former NSFNet? > > Is there any serious possibility of their plans coming to fruition? The Internet needs *much* better tools than what the NSF RA project offers today (eg the relabeled work done by Ripe) and what they have made public about future plans. (Next days delivery in a millisecond world is not very usefull.) Either the Internet at large develops real tools for a "offline registry" or we have to move this into the exterior routing protocols. -Peter

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Re: MAE-east weirdness
by Vadim Antonov 09 May '95

09 May '95

Sprint has nothing to do with the loops. Gordon -- you as a practioning journalist should know better than to trust "information" of hear-say, particluarly when the source explicitly disclaimed any first-hand knowledge. Sprint customers are informed about scheduled maintenance and outages by means of a special mailing list. --vadim Did this happen on Friday? If so I heard from a directly knowledgeable source that there was a power failure in Dallas that affected the MFS pop there and that MFS had to bring in a truck with generators to get the node operational again. If this is correct wold the looping be really blamable to either UUNET or Sprint? ******************************************************************** Gordon Cook, Editor & Publisher Subscript.: Individ-ascii $85 The COOK Report on Internet -> NREN Non Profit. $150 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 Small Corp & Gov't $200 (609) 882-2572 Corporate $350 Internet: cook(a)cookreport.com Corporate. Site Lic $650 http://www.netaxs.com/~cook <- Subscription Info & COOK Report Index ********************************************************************

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MAE-east weirdness
by David Levine 08 May '95

08 May '95

Hey folks. I'm working with my friends at National Public Radio. They're having network problems, and I'm not sure the correct people at UUNet to report this anomaly to. The answer NPR got from UUNet was: MFS trouble in Dallas. Does that make sense? any suggestions? thanks in advance. sorry for the interruption. # /usr/local/bin/traceroute npr.org traceroute to npr.org (199.0.132.69), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router.butterfly.net (199.73.40.1) 7 ms 5 ms 3 ms 2 s0.router.clark.net (199.73.41.254) 12 ms 15 ms 12 ms 3 sl-dc-1-S19-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.4.1) 19 ms 29 ms 17 ms 4 sl-dc-8-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.20.8) 21 ms 19 ms 17 ms 5 sl-mae-e-H2/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.42) 26 ms 18 ms 19 ms 6 Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 26 ms 297 ms * 7 sl-mae-e-F0/0.sprintlink.net (192.41.177.241) 22 ms 31 ms 44 ms 8 Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 62 ms 87 ms * 9 sl-mae-e-F0/0.sprintlink.net (192.41.177.241) 37 ms 36 ms 28 ms 10 Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 63 ms 83 ms 77 ms 11 sl-mae-e-F0/0.sprintlink.net (192.41.177.241) 21 ms 32 ms 27 ms 12 Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 40 ms 50 ms 68 ms 13 sl-mae-e-F0/0.sprintlink.net (192.41.177.241) 33 ms 19 ms 31 --Dave http://iron.butterfly.net/motodave

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Re: MAE-east weirdness (fwd)
by David Levine 08 May '95

08 May '95

Gordon, Karl this might be instructive. NPR is currently connected to AlterNet, not Sprint, btw. --Dave ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 13:19:46 -0700 From: Jon Postel <postel(a)ISI.EDU> To: motodave(a)butterfly.net Cc: postel(a)ISI.EDU Subject: Re: MAE-east weirdness Dave: Hi. I decided to see what trace route to npr.org looked like from Marina del Rey. Note i got a different address 205.153.37.175 instead of 199.0.132.69. I also got different (still bad) behavior. --jon. traceroute to npr.org (205.153.37.175), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 cisco2-160 (128.9.160.2) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 2 ln-gw32 (128.9.32.1) 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 3 198.147.100.35 (198.147.100.35) 3 ms 4 ms 3 ms 4 SWRL-ISI-GW.CSU.NET (204.102.78.2) 4 ms 4 ms 5 ms 5 border1-hssi1-0.LosAngeles.mci.net (204.70.48.5) 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 6 core-fddi-0.LosAngeles.mci.net (204.70.2.129) 10 ms 8 ms 7 ms 7 core-hssi-2.Houston.mci.net (204.70.1.33) 38 ms 35 ms 35 ms 8 core-hssi-2.Atlanta.mci.net (204.70.1.25) 58 ms 55 ms 56 ms 9 core-hssi-4.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.9) 72 ms 69 ms 72 ms 10 border2-fddi0-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.3.2) 73 ms 70 ms 70 ms 11 mae-east-plusplus.Washington.mci.net (204.70.57.10) 75 ms 71 ms 72 ms 12 Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 129 ms 146 ms 149 ms 13 San-Jose3.CA.ALTER.NET (137.39.13.5) 305 ms * * 14 * * San-Jose3.CA.ALTER.NET (137.39.13.5) 280 ms !H 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * mae-east.ans.net (192.41.177.140) 280 ms 18 Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 328 ms * 437 ms 19 * * mae-east.ans.net (192.41.177.140) 277 ms 20 * Vienna1.VA.Alter.Net (192.41.177.249) 446 ms * 21 * * * 22 *^C zephyr 30%

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apology
by washburn＠pizza.mecklermedia.com 08 May '95

08 May '95

Ooooooooops. Aarrrrrrgh. Sorry for the accidental post yesterday. Still can't walk and chew gum at the same time. bill w.

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Re: Paper on Prospects for NSF's International Internet Services
by washburn＠pizza.mecklermedia.com 07 May '95

07 May '95

Steve-- Great to see your name, hear your words of wisdom. Talk about a blast-from-the-past... nice, bill w. At 1:18 PM 5/5/95, Steve Goldstein wrote: >I have submitted a paper for INET'95 that might be of interest: > > <URL:http://inet.nttam.com/HMP/PAPER/178/html/paper.html> > > ###################################################################### > >"Future Prospects for NSF's International Connections Program Activities" > >Steven N. Goldstein <sgoldste(a)nsf.gov> Bill Washburn, Ph.D. <washburn(a)mecklermedia.com> Senior VP, Internet Business Development, Mecklermedia voice: 203.226.6967 ext 247 fax: 203.454.5840

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by Kevin Dunetz 06 May '95

06 May '95

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Re: Draft NANOG agenda
by salo＠msc.edu 06 May '95

06 May '95

> Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 14:03:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ismat Pasha <ipasha(a)sprint.net> > Subject: Re: Draft NANOG agenda > To: "Susan R. Harris" <srh(a)merit.edu> > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > [...] > > Updates from the > > Interconnection Points > > Sprint Paul Love and Tim Salo > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > It will be news to me if they work for Sprint. > [...] Bilal Chinoy, Paul Love and Tim Salo are Additional Principal Investigators on the NY NAP Cooperative Agreement. Tim Clifford is the Principal Investigator. -tjs

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Paper on Prospects for NSF's International Internet Services
by sgoldste＠nsf.gov 05 May '95

05 May '95

I have submitted a paper for INET'95 that might be of interest: <URL:http://inet.nttam.com/HMP/PAPER/178/html/paper.html> ###################################################################### "Future Prospects for NSF's International Connections Program Activities" Steven N. Goldstein <sgoldste(a)nsf.gov> Abstract The National Science Foundation's (NSF) plans for ensuring that the U.S. research and education (R&E) communities will continue to be able to interact over the Internet with colleagues and resources abroad are discussed. NSF has recently transitioned from the custom-provided NSFNET Backbone national transit service for mid-level networks to service provision by several interconnected general purpose ("commercial") Internet service providers. It is anticipated that the plan for international services will be to "ratchet" up the capacity of transoceanic links well beyond the current T1/E1 levels, while minimizing NSF's role in direct service provision, much as NSF has done in the case of domestic service. In addition, NSF's role in facilitating the Internet connectivity of other countries in support of the R&E communities is likely to continue, and demonstration projects in advanced international-scale telecommunications technologies may also be supported. ... At this writing, the precise path to those ends is far from clear. However, a new solicitation for International Internet Services (IIS) has been drafted and is undergoing internal review. Regarding the IIS solicitation, NSF is considering multiple awards in as many as four categories: High-Bandwidth (at least 34 Mbps) Production-Quality Services, International Internet Connectivity Services, High Bandwidth (at least 155 Mbps) Experimental Service & Demonstrations, and Emerging Technology Experimental Service & Demonstrations. The following sections provide a glimpse into NSF's thinking about the new IIS, but it should be understood that these thoughts are preliminary and unofficial. ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ... ###################################################################### There is no way of knowing how long it will take to complete the management reviews and to issue the solicitation, or if the solicitation(s) will emerge in one or in several separate pieces (i.e., subsets of the four categories of services above). We are _targeting_ late May/early June for issuing the solicitation in hopes of being able to make an award, following receipt and review of proposals, by the end of CY1995. cheerz, Steve G. ================================================================ Steven N. Goldstein Program Director, Interagency & International Networking Coordination Div. of Networking and Communications Research & Infrastructure National Science Foundation 4201 Wilson Boulevard, Room 1175 Arlington, VA 22230 Tel: +1-703-306-1949 (Extension 1119) FAX: +1-703-306-0621 sgoldste(a)NSF.GOV ================================================================

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Draft NANOG agenda
by Susan R. Harris 05 May '95

05 May '95

Here's what we've got so far ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- North American Network Operators Group (NANOG) May 22-23 DRAFT Agenda Topic Presenter(s) --------------------------------------------- RA Project Update Elise Gerich and Jessica Yu IP Provider Metrics WG Matt Mathis Updates from the Interconnection Points Sprint Paul Love and Tim Salo AADS Mark Knopper/Eric Bennett PacBell Warren Williams MAE-East/MAE-West Steve Feldman and Milo Medin CIX Paul Vixie Symmetric Routing in a Enke Chen/Tony Bates Multi-Provider Internet Coordination Issues for Brian Renaud Distributed Routing Registries New SNMP Management Allan Rubens Capabilities in MRouteD SNMP v2 Operational Bill Norton Deployment Support for Public Key Laurent Joncheray Encryption of TCP ATM Networking in Oregon David Meyers GateD Update Craig Labovitz Overview of Multi- Craig Labovitz Threaded Routing Toolkit InterNIC Registration Mark Kosters Procedures RPS (Routing Policy Cengiz Alaettinoglu and Daniel Karrenberg System) WG

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