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RE: Ascend GRF400
by Peter Galbavy 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

On Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:36 PM, Deepak Jain [SMTP:deepak@jain.com] wrote: > (I do not know if this is true, but it is a guess). That the Netstar > product did the ATM routing extremely well. I believe that was its > market originally.. All of the other cards, the ether, the new T1 line > cards (hah-hah) maybe even the HSSI cards are all new since Ascend took > them over, to broaden their market. As an almost customer of Netstar, and a long time one from Ascend, I have watched the product get integrated into what it is today. The original point of these boxes was HIPPI. HIPPI over WAN. Hmm. Well, "I have no supercomputers", as they say - so I waited for other cards. When Netstar was acquired I remember that the cards available were HIPPI, HSSI, FDDI and ATM. Ethernet was on the way (100Mb was talked about, then switchable down to 10Mb) by end of 1996. The interesting products now are the IP/SONET OC3c card and the OC12 card that should turn up one day. The attraction to us for buying this product is the BSDi OS used at the management controller. We have somewhat unusual requirements, including our own internal protocol for dynamic routing of dialups, and the availability of the BSDi environment behind Ascends new CLI makes this one of the few real routers that works off the shelf. We currently have one in house, and once some SNMP issues are fixed we will be able to complete testing and then maybe buy some. As to who is using them in a production environment, I understand from colleagues that a recent "supercore" upgrade that PSI did in NY (where we peer with them) was to roll out one or more GRF's. This is of course unconfirmed rumour until someone from PSInet speaks up. Regards, -- Peter Galbavy Demon Internet Ltd http://www.demon.net/

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RE: "Which Internet?"
by Dave Van Allen 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

>-----Original Message----- >From: Robert E. Seastrom [SMTP:rs@bifrost.seastrom.com] >Sent: Monday, April 21, 1997 8:38 PM >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: "Which Internet?" > > >Whilst investigating why my routing table size suddenly jumped by 5k >routes, I discovered that Advantis (AS 2685 at MAE-E, origin AS 3082) >was leaking all sorts of more-specifics for various networks into the >bgp mesh. Yeah, I know I should be running bogon filters... > >Speaking of said filters, does anyone have a concise ACL that filters heard >routes for inappropriate announcements? That they would care to share? > >I have an old example that Sean Doran posted a long time ago that he admits >was overly paranoid. I'd like to see a few other examples if possible. It >would also probably help the group in general. > >TIA >Best regards, > >David Van Allen - You Tools Corporation / FASTNET(tm) >dave(a)fast.net (610) 289-1100 http://www.fast.net >FASTNET - PA/NJ/DE Internet Solutions >

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Route Server mailing lists
by Abha Ahuja 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

Hi All! In response to the discussion at the Route Server BOF during the last NANOG, we have created a mailing list (rs-discuss(a)merit.edu) to provide a forum for discussing route server issues. We hope to discuss the technology, pros and cons of the service, issues with the existing service, suggestions for improvement of the current route server service, etc. We hope that this will be a broad discussion with the internet community that will address non-specific RSng issues as well as specific RSng issues. To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)merit.edu with subscribe rs-discuss in the body of the message. We have also created a mailing list (rs-announce(a)merit.edu) for announcements of route server maintenance and outages. We recommend that all organizations peering with the route servers at the exchange points subscribe to this list. To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)merit.edu with subscribe rs-announce in the body of the message. Thanks! -abha ;) __________________________________________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- abha ahuja ahuja(a)merit.edu Merit Network, Inc.

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by Joe Provo - Network Architect 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

[snip] Warning. only the end of this is truly relevant to nanog, IMO. Clobber the message now if you want to avoid a mini-rant about ascend. I'm a right tool for the right job person myself, so I'm glad that people have found ascends to work for them, but I have to interrupt the love-in long enough to point out - the grf is not all of ascend. maybe they finally got things right? - ascend CPE equipment is constantly shipped with incorrect cables - ascend CPE equipment has poor design on the human-interface and the electrics. That is, people will, can and do plug the wrong cable into the wrong port which in turn fries the unit. They have a very smooth RMA process, which says something about how often it has to be used. - software-of-the-week releases that are rife with regression faults - nigh-abandonment of product with no warning: see software version 5.x for the p400 series? see it coming anytime soon? All that said, we have had good luck with scend on the higher-end gear, MAXes et al, so maybe the GRF is done right. But that's a co$tly "maybe". Lastly, the bit that's really relevant, how to the GRF-users automate things in their networks? I'll cast a hairy eyeball on claims that "cisco-free" is a good thing until I see other products that give high flexibility on route tuning and a method to programatically alter configs. Asking for vendors to have a common programatic interface is a bit much to ask, so I'll settle for sane, regexp-parsable files... Disclaim, disclam; affiliation, not representation; etc etc. Joe -- Joe Provo, Network Architect 800.763.8111 x3006 Network Operations Center Fax 508.229.2375 UltraNet Communications, Inc. <jprovo(a)ultra.net>

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FYI...
by Robert Mathews 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

F Y I .. Just thought of sharing this with you.. *************************************************************************** DIGITAL Licenses FDDI Full Duplex Technology to Cisco Provides Maximum Bandwidth and Investment Protection for Switched FDDI Networks MAYNARD, Mass., April 22, 1997 -- Digital Equipment Corporation (NYSE:DEC) and Cisco Systems, Inc. (NASDAQ: CSCO) today announced a licensing agreement for Digital's patented FDDI Full Duplex Technology (FFDT) to be used on Cisco's high-end routers. The agreement will enable Cisco high-end routers to maximize performance when connected to full duplex FDDI-capable devices, such as Digital's GIGAswitch/FDDI backbone switch. The agreement will also provide FDDI customers with a path encompassing future growth and capacity needs. [ Rest Deleted ]

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Re: What's going on?
by Sanjay Dani 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

>To remove a site from the internet [competitor, bad guy, good guy, enemy, >let your imagination run wild]... What is keeping someone from spamming >half a dozen or so sites (just enough to get noticed) with the line >"please visit site 'http://www.xyz.com' for more information." The same laws that apply to someone running a false advertisement on TV or newspaper should apply here. Any ISP would be willing to help law enforcement with appropriate warrants to track the identity of the spammer. Take that one step further: we need legislations to make spamming illegal, just like making crank telephone calls is. I've a feeling even the smallest ISP would rather cooperate with law enforcement to help track the identity of the "law-breaking" spammer than the messed up system today where the selp appointed anti-spammers feel good about heaping guilt on ISP's rather than actually punishing the spammer. It is upto us whether we want to extend the civilized system (that gives the state monopoly over judicial matters) that protects our physical property to our cyberspace property or continue to fantasize that every ISP must implement "my version of the AUP". Sanjay.

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WEB PAGE CORRECTION
by Pam Ciesla 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

The NANOG registration web page has been corrected. Sorry for the interuption. Pam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pam Ciesla 313-936-0172 - phone Merit Network, Inc. 313-647-3185 - fax University of Michigan 4251 Plymouth Road Bldg. I, Suite C Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re: Response from Cyber Promotions (fwd)
by MarkG 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

We hate SPAM more than anyone, We have a site at "http://usemail.net/NoSpam/ " to help us fight these #$%@ spammers feel free to copy this site and/or provide links..... Lets repay all their "caring" ......

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Sean Doran and ATM.
by Charles F. Crizer Jr. 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

I really hate to ask, but does anyone know how to find Sean Doran of Sprint infamy? I really need to follow up on some comments he made one day about ATM. If you do, please just e-mail me. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles F. Crizer Jr. KF4MNE Senior Systems Engineer ccrizer(a)dyncon.net Certified Novell Administrator http://www.cais.com/dyncon -------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1997 Charles F. Crizer Jr. All Rights Reserved.

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by William S. Duncanson 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

At 11:48 4/22/97 -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: > >We have been trying to get decent units from Ascend. > >Everything we get from them has some kind of hardware problem (ethernet >wise) that flakes out after about 7 days uptime. > >Email me if you want more specifics. Unfortunately, that's not suprising from Ascend. William S. Duncanson caesar(a)starkreality.com Artificial Intelligence stands no chance against Natural Stupidity.

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