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RE: NOC Phone Number Time (Re: Microsoft NOC?)
by Foley, Grant 11 May '98

11 May '98

>1-800 numbers are difficult to dial outside the US. Not if you dial 1-880 instead.... >---------- >From: Sean Donelan[SMTP:SEAN@SDG.DRA.COM] >Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 2:51 AM >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: NOC Phone Number Time (Re: Microsoft NOC?) > >>The reason it is imperative that there be a telephone number for an >>ISP is that it's really hard to use e-mail to contact an ISP if the >>network connectivity to the ISP is not working. > >I guess its that time again. > >Between May 11 and May 15 I will be conducting my Emergency NOC Phone >Test. This is an unannounced test where I call each of the phone >numbers given to me by providers I interconnect with. > >The rules are listed on <http://dranet.dra.com/verify-contact.html>. > >Although I say its 'unannounced' if you want to tell your NOC folks I'll >be calling next week go ahead. In practice I've found corporate culture >tends to overwhelm any special advance notice. > >In case you are interested, the very best performance in the last emergency >NOC phone contact test was by the Defense Communications Agency/DISA NOC. >They earned four stars, out of five, losing only one point because the >operator did not know how to call their NOC from outside the US. 1-800 >numbers are difficult to dial outside the US. >-- >Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO > Affiliation given for identification not representation >

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Re: Core router bakeoff?
by Sam Birch 11 May '98

11 May '98

Not that I've done it, but you can use Kerberos to remotely manage a Cisco, giving you an encrypted telnet. In fact, does anyone have any pointers about how? Sam -----Original Message----- From: Selina Priestley <selina(a)ans.net> To: perry(a)piermont.com <perry(a)piermont.com> Cc: John A. Tamplin <jat(a)traveller.com>; Arnaud Girsch <agirsch(a)OASysGroup.com>; nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Core router bakeoff? >> >> In short, unless you have numbers to indicate otherwise, I can't say >> that PCs cost you much, in the short term or the long term. >> >> What Cisco's will buy you is better handling of T3s, SONET, etc., and >> the ability to handle much higher performance lines. They also have >> much better remote management facilities, in so far as the things have >> real serial consoles and such, which PCs don't. >> >> Perry > >One PC remote management win is that you can actually have secure >encrypted access/authentication for remote management, rather than >relying passwords in the clear and tftp. This is lacking in all >router venders at this instant, far as I know. > >Selina >

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Re: Possible login/password grabbing ploy
by Lehrer, Neil 11 May '98

11 May '98

have you asked them why. their web page is "under contruction." however: Americaoffline AMERICAOFFLINE2-DOM 7060 Hollywood Blvd. Suite 903 Los Angeles, CA 90028 USA Domain Name: AMERICAOFFLINE.COM Administrative Contact: Fisher, Ed EF590 america(a)INSTANET.COM 213-465-5407 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Laren, Tim TL233 timl(a)INSTANET.COM 818-713-1313 (FAX) 818-888-0513 Billing Contact: Fisher, Ed EF590 america(a)INSTANET.COM 213-465-5407 Record last updated on 05-Mar-97. Record created on 05-Mar-97. Database last updated on 11-May-98 03:39:51 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: ARAGON.INSTANET.COM 205.231.48.6 GOLUM.INSTANET.COM 205.231.48.2 ````````` To: nanog(a)merit.edu From: Darryl Baker <dpb(a)concentric.net> I have found that most of the common mis-spellings of our domain name have been registered with the Internic by a company named Americaoffline. Examples: concentic.net concentri.net concnetric.net consentric.net They have also grabbed other mis-spellings of popular domains Examples: aool.com bellsoth.com bellsuth.com hotmaiil.com mailexite.com pacbel.net spraynet.com Originally I thought they were using these to build a bulk email list. Then I found they have configured ftp addresses in each domain. This will allow them to gather valid usernames and passwords anytime someone makes a typo and trys to upload something to their ISP. We have listed their servers as bogus in our DNS configuration for now and are looking into other more complete solutions. Bind 8.X configuration addition: server 205.231.48.243 { bogus yes; }; server 205.231.48.244 { bogus yes; }; -- __ _ __ Darryl Baker / ) // / ) / Sr. Systems Engineer / / __. __ __ __ , // /--< __. /_ _ __ For the Concentric Network /__/_(_/|_/ (_/ (_/ (_/_</_ /___/_(_/|_/ <_</_/ (_ dpb(a)concentric.net / ' Regards +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Neil Lehrer + U.S. Information Agency + Networks and Systems Support Division + + voice 202 619-0903 + fax 202 619-3883 + internet nlehrer(a)usia.gov + + "oh what a tangled net we weave + when we seek to retrieve." + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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ameritech+sbc
by Jared Mauch 11 May '98

11 May '98

just heard about it from a tech today. here's the skinny: they're now the largest local telco http://www.ameritech.com/news/sbc/press_release.html -- Work: jared(a)qual.net - We Make The Internet Work for Your Business 9-5pm(ET) 800 637 4424x2634 - 24x7 NOC - 800 424 3223 pgp key available via finger from jared(a)puck.nether.net

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Possible login/password grabbing ploy
by Darryl Baker 11 May '98

11 May '98

I have found that most of the common mis-spellings of our domain name have been registered with the Internic by a company named Americaoffline. Examples: concentic.net concentri.net concnetric.net consentric.net They have also grabbed other mis-spellings of popular domains Examples: aool.com bellsoth.com bellsuth.com hotmaiil.com mailexite.com pacbel.net spraynet.com Originally I thought they were using these to build a bulk email list. Then I found they have configured ftp addresses in each domain. This will allow them to gather valid usernames and passwords anytime someone makes a typo and trys to upload something to their ISP. We have listed their servers as bogus in our DNS configuration for now and are looking into other more complete solutions. Bind 8.X configuration addition: server 205.231.48.243 { bogus yes; }; server 205.231.48.244 { bogus yes; }; -- __ _ __ Darryl Baker / ) // / ) / Sr. Systems Engineer / / __. __ __ __ , // /--< __. /_ _ __ For the Concentric Network /__/_(_/|_/ (_/ (_/ (_/_</_ /___/_(_/|_/ <_</_/ (_ dpb(a)concentric.net / '

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SMURF amplifier list...
by kbrown＠primelink.com 11 May '98

11 May '98

Directed mainly at Karl... Karl, you have the following on your updated list: MCI Telecommunications Corp - internetMCI Provisioning (NETBLK-MCI-NETBLK05) MCI-NETBLK05 206.24.0.0 - 206.31.255.255 I am the admin for 206.24.58 and 206.24.59 these two networks have been fixed to deny amplifying. Please remove at least these two networks from your list. Funny though... I can still view the page. *shrug*

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Re: AT&T NOC?
by Brian Wilson 11 May '98

11 May '98

At 09:25 AM 5/9/98 PDT, Randy Bush wrote: >> Is this the correct address for their NOC or should I try elsewhere? > >This is not a NOC at all. This is a mailing list, read by quite a few >network operators, many of whom are not impressed by would be operators >who can not tell a mailing list from a NOC. Neither are they impressed by people who can't follow simple trains of thought and paragraph structure. >I'v fired of an email to noc(a)att.net but havent got anything yet. >Is this the correct address for their NOC or should I try >elsewhere? "This" referring to 'noc(a)att.net' and not 'nanog(a)merit.edu'. I think it was plain from his message ("I need to contact them" instead of "I need to contact you", etc) that he understood that 'nanog(a)merit.edu' isn't the address for AT&Ts NOC. It's not that I don't appreciate good flames, I just like them to be properly directed. SFTS. B/W/ Brian Wilson --- Engineer, MindSpring Network Operations Center wilsonb(a)mindspring.net http://www.mindspring.com Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. -- Nikita Khrushchev

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Core router bakeoff?
by Rob M VanHooren 10 May '98

10 May '98

Hi, just a quickie (respond via e-mail, I'll summarize to the list)... Need to build a core NSP backbone. Who's equipment do I want: 1) cisco 2) Bay 3) 3Com Please include model, personal likes/dislikes, caveats, etc, etc... Thanks! Bakeoff ends May 31st/98... ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-.._..-*~ Rob M. VanHooren - Chief Plumber, +1 519 679-1155 x33 Packet Pusher, and Resident Mad Scientist(tm) Alarms to 646-4724 Network Engineering Services 171 Queens Avenue, Suite 320 Linkdata Communications Inc. London, CANADA

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Re: Core router bakeoff?
by Sean Donelan 10 May '98

10 May '98

>A real example from our core: > >XXXXXXX-CoreX uptime is 38 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 49 minutes >System restarted by power-on XXXXXX>show version Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) GS Software (RSP-K-M), Version 10.3(7), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) Copyright (c) 1986-1995 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Wed 01-Nov-95 14:07 by vatran Image text-base: 0x600087E0, data-base: 0x60530000 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.3(16645) [szhang 571], INTERIM SOFTWARE ROM: GS Bootstrap Software (RSP-BOOT-M), Version 10.3(8), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2) XXXXXX uptime is 102 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 47 minutes System restarted by reload 10.3 was a fairly stable release. The longest running devices on our network are likely some DECserver 100's stuck somewhere long since forgotten. Every year or two, we get a phone call about terminals not working and it turns out the original load host for the terminal server had been upgraded several times in the last decade, and eventually retired from service. There is something to the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Vendor support (Re: Core router bakeoff?)
by Sean Donelan 10 May '98

10 May '98

We pay for 4-hour premium 24x7 on-site response supposedly so I don't have to argue with Cisco whether they will have a tech on-site now, or next tuesday (Next business day from Saturday==Tuesday). At least that's the theory. Most of the time it works well, but last weekend we ended up having to escalate things through cisco's call center of the hour (wherever "M27542" ends up) because the cisco person on the other end kept insisting that 4-hour response meant only Monday through Friday. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I was thinking up some very interesting variations of Cisco Certified I.... in my head. >An anecdote that is related to this... > >In January, on the day we (NACS.NET) had our open house, the RSP-2 >board in our 7513 (which we bought used) died. > >Cisco worked with us to get a replacement in four hours, even though they >were only contractually obligated to 24 hours. > >Kudos to Cisco's Cleveland office for going WAY beyond the call of duty. > >And when I'm ready to buy a dedicated router, it WILL be a Cisco. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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