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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? (fwd)
by Susan R. Harris 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:26 -0400 From: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> To: "Susan R. Harris" <srh(a)merit.edu> Cc: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 03:01:31PM -0400, Susan R. Harris wrote: > Hello Mr. Sobol - Your message header indicates that several of your > messages to the NANOG mailing list have also been cross-posted to other > lists. This practice is explicitly discouraged in the NANOG AUP: Hi there. I don't crosspost. The crossposts were very likely replies. I'll be careful to check my headers in the future. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Anyone who spams me will be subject to torture by Jake, my killer attack hedgehog, and/or Lizzy and Junior, my man-eating iguanas.

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by kbrown＠teamhuber.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> on 10/01/98 01:41:18 PM To: Aaron Goldblatt <aglists(a)goldblatt.net> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu (bcc: Kevin Brown/Teamhuber) Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? That was never the complaint. Are you being willfully ignorant or does it just come naturally? -- -Barry Shein ManOMan.. this is the exact same thought I was having about your behavior Barry. Take your crank elsewhere...I think the overwhelming populace of this list are absolutely tired of your willfully ignorant behavior and obvious social shortcomings. Seek help Barry, Seek it away from Nanog. STOP THIS THREAD. If you think you have a problem with .TO call the phone number, lodge a complaint with them, but please don't use NANOG as your "Party-Line Phone System." That technology went away (mostly) long ago...please take yourself with it. I suspect a former Tongan friend of yours has done you wrong, and now you are lashing out publically for it...they have a name for this Barry... displacement of anger. Please...displace yourself elsewhere... Must I go on? or can someone completely remove the rogue user Barry? Seems as if his postings are becoming a new "spam" of sorts... personal enlightenment at the cost of others, and their bandwidth. Someone get a Binky for Barry.

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LTTTD
by Rik Schneider 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Let The Tonga Thread Die Rik Schneider Unix Systems Administrator Net Asset LLC 1315 Van Ness Ave Suite 103 Fresno CA 93721 (209) 490-4000 -- My band career ended late in my senior year when John Cooper and I threw my amplifier out the dormitory window. We did not act in haste. First we checked to make sure the amplifier would fit through the frame, using the belt from my bathrobe to measure, then we picked up the amplifier and backed up to my bedroom door. Then we rushed forward, shouting "The WHO! The WHO!" and we launched my amplifier perfectly, as though we had been doing it all our lives, clean through the window and down onto the sidewalk, where a small but appreciative crowd had gathered. I would like to be able to say that this was a symbolic act, an effort on my part to break cleanly away from one state in my life and move on to another, but the truth is, Cooper and I really just wanted to find out what it would sound like. It sounded OK. -- Dave Barry, "The Snake"

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It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by Barry L James 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

This isn't entirely operational in nature, but if true does somewhat have an impact on what we are operating. You can find the entire text at www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15295.html but here are a few snippets to give you an idea of what it's about. "In October, Europe's governing body will commission a full report into the workings of Echelon, a global network of highly sensitive listening posts operated in part by America's most clandestine intelligence organization, the National Security Agency. " "Echelon is reportedly able to intercept, record, and translate any electronic communication -- telephone, data, cellular, fax, email, telex -- sent anywhere in the world. " "Echelon intercepts Internet traffic at the transport layer, such as the TCP/IP layer, so the system doesn't care too much what it is or where it came from," said Pike. "For analog traffic, such as telephone conversations, it uses automatic voice-recognition technology to scan the conversations." Seems far fetched (but not *that* far), but worth a read. Barry --- Barry L James \ \ I have known them all already, known them all. Mendicant \ \ I have known the mornings, evenings, afternoons. www.terraware.net \ \ I have measured my life with coffee spoons. blj(a)terraware.net ____/ \________________________ T.S. Eliot

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by jprovo＠ma.ultranet.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

> The specific question was whether or not the .to domain serves any > useful purpose (such as a TLD for the Kingdom of Tonga) -- is there > any reason to maintain it in the root servers? It is Yet Another ISO CC TLD that is being whored out - since domains became commodities, ISO CCs are now "national resources". Who has a crystal ball shiny enough to see which (small) country decides to change its name to get a "better" ISO CC? And how far out that will be? Another lovely spin-off of pushing the mess up towards the root of the tree, instead of down to the leaves with further specifity. "My own opinion, etc etc disclaim disclaim" -- Joe Provo, Network Architect 508.229.8400 x3006 Commercial Internet Services Group Fax 508.229.2375 UltraNet Communications, Inc., an RCN Company <jprovo(a)ultra.net>

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Re: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by David O'Leary 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

At 07:39 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Barry L James wrote: [stuff cut] >You can find the entire text at >www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15295.html ^^^^^^^^^^^ Wired. The Weekly World News of the Information Elite (tm) :-/ [rest of stuff cut] dave

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RE: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved?
by Sanborn, Ed 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Barry, Why don't you offer to move this dialogue offline. I just joined the NANOG mailing list yesterday and already I'm disgusted. I understand your honorable intentions at the beginning of this discussion but obviously there is NOT concensus to ban the "to" domain so maybe this discussion should be dropped so that the discussion lists do not remain clogged. -Ed -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs@world.std.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 4:29 AM To: scott w Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu; list(a)inet-access.net; inet-access(a)earth.com; domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net; com-priv(a)psi.com; publicaffairs(a)panet.us-state.gov Subject: RE: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved? On September 30, 1998 at 21:08 scott(a)digisle.net (scott w.) wrote: > > > On a bright Hawaiian night, someone wrote: > > > Does anyone have the email address of the Chief/King of Tonga? He might > > find this dialogue eye-opening... > > HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Someone is *really* not familiar with Polynesian > culture! ;) 'Awa (kawa) anyone? Actually, he just told me that he'd stop the spammers if I marry his daughter. I've taken it under consideration. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved?
by Anthony Sticha 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

The King of Tonga is currently staying at a friends house in Sydney. I will ask him directly about the situation this thread has developed into. I am sure he would be interested to get to the bottom of nearly 200+ messages so far.....besides which I am getting sick of all this dribble.... Why don't you guys clean up your own backyard first before you start worrying about little ol Tonga... -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> To: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu>; list(a)inet-access.net <list(a)inet-access.net>; inet-access(a)earth.com <inet-access(a)earth.com>; domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net <domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net>; com-priv(a)psi.com <com-priv(a)psi.com>; publicaffairs(a)panet.us-state.gov <publicaffairs(a)panet.us-state.gov> Date: Thursday, 1 October 1998 18:42 Subject: RE: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved? > >On September 30, 1998 at 21:08 scott(a)digisle.net (scott w.) wrote: > > > > > > On a bright Hawaiian night, someone wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have the email address of the Chief/King of Tonga? He might > > > find this dialogue eye-opening... > > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Someone is *really* not familiar with Polynesian > > culture! ;) 'Awa (kawa) anyone? > >Actually, he just told me that he'd stop the spammers if I marry his >daughter. > >I've taken it under consideration. > > >-- > -Barry Shein > >Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com >Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD >The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* > >

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Re: Crazy flying netbios packets
by crh＠ubiqx.mn.org 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

I'm not on this list, but a friend pointed me at the thread and I wanted to add my 2cents. Hope you don't mind. : There is a very popular WWW log analysis program by the name of : WebTrends. It is run on a Win32 platform and when processing : GIGs of www access-logs, it will uni-cast for WINS resolution to : every foreign IP if finds for WINS name resolution, fail, : and then use DNS for resolution. : : My fear (uneducated on the matter) is that it is not WebTrends but : Microsoft's gethostbyaddr() call which would mean that this type of : crazy 137/udp WINS resolution traffic is more commonly mis-used than : we think. It's not actually WINS that you're dealing with here. WINS is Microsoft's name for their NetBIOS Name Server (RFC1001, 1002). WebTrends cannot know the address of the WINS server, if any, that the assumed Windows PC used so it would have to send the query directly to the IP in the log. Urq. If the PC was on a dial-up or other dynamic IP address, then any reply will most certainly be wrong. Also, what you'd get back is a set of NetBIOS names. This is almost completely useless unless you share the same WINS server or are within the same broadcast domain. The suggestion that this totally nasty behavior is SOP for Microsoft's gethostbyaddr() is disturbing. In my experience, the folks in Redmond don't clearly understand the difference between a NetBIOS name and a DNS name. Chris Hertel Samba Team -- "I'm thirty-seven. I'm not old." -----(- Christopher R. Hertel -- Dennis the Peasant to King Arthur, 787 AD -)----- crh(a)ubiqx.mn.org

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Adam D. McKenna 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Apparently you've never seen www.nunames.nu? It made quite a lot of news when it came out. This has been going on for quite a while, it's odd that you should bring it up now. You might also want to check out http://www.nic.cc. I'm sure a host of others will be springing up in no time. BTW I happen to think those .to forwarder domains are ultra cool, I found http://easy.to/remember the other day and I thought it was an exteremely good idea... --Adam adam(a)flounder.net adam(a)mckenna.to?? (I was thinking about it.. .nu is cheaper though :) -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> To: Andy Walden <andy(a)enigma.mtco.com> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:25 AM Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? On September 30, 1998 at 15:14 andy(a)enigma.mtco.com (Andy Walden) wrote: > > > I have a legit .to domain. I paid $100 for it like any .com domain, > which of course has no porn sites. > > or something... By "legit" do you mean its purpose is to operate a business or other entity organized within the Kingdom of Tonga? -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*

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