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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Andy Walden 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

I have a legit .to domain. I paid $100 for it like any .com domain, which of course has no porn sites. or something... Sincerely, Andy Walden System Administrator MTCO Communications 1-800-859-6826 On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Barry Shein wrote: > > We've been having increasing problems with one or more porn sites in > the .to domain promoting itself by massive spamming of AOL customers > using one of our domains in their From: header thus causing both > complaints to us and thousands of bounces from AOL due to bad AOL > addresses in their spam lists. > > Looking at the .to domain I can't help but notice it's heavily laden > with what appear to be porn sites (sexonline.to, come.to, > xxxhardcore.to, etc.) > > 1. Performing traceroutes and other analyses seems to indicate that > this domain is NOT being used for communication with entities > legitimately located (legally, not only geographically) within the > sovereignty of the Kingdom of Tonga, as intended. > > 2. Clearly criminal and malicious activites are arising from sites to > which Tonga has provided comfort and sanctuary. > > 3. Therefore, I call for a process whereby it can be determined as to > whether or not it is appropriate to decommission the Tongan domain due > to negligence, mismanagement, and having allowed it to become an > attractive resource for criminal activities. I do not believe the > Tongan domain serves any legitimate purpose as an internet resource. > > In support of this assertion I want to show you an SMTP conversation > with what claims to be the Consulate of the Government of Tonga in San > Francisco (This San Francisco office is listed as an official Tongan > contact point for visas etc by the US State Dept): > > world% telnet sfconsulate.gov.to 25 > Trying 209.24.51.169... > Connected to sfconsulate.gov.to. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 colo.to SMTP ready, Who are you gonna pretend to be today? > VRFY postmaster > 500 Bloody Amateur! Proper forging of mail requires recognizable SMTP commands! > > -------------------- > > Viewing the web page for the Tongan Consulate in the US > (http://sfconsulate.gov.to) reveals nothing but an ad for a software > company, this page ends with: > > Need a domain name? Contact the Kingdom of Tonga Internet domain name > registry. > > -------------------- > > Consequently, I assert there is no reason for this domain to exist and > it should be removed from the root name servers. > > > -- > -Barry Shein > > Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD > The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* >

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by dichro-f890504e＠rcpt.to 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

>>>>> "SJS" == Steven J Sobol <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> writes: SJS> Here's another one: bounce.to, another redirection service. SJS> I'm sure I can find others. Allow me to assist. Is the cause of the complaint that there are non-Tongan porn sites with .to domains? Would it make you happier if the porn sites in .to were exclusively Tongan? Perhaps you disagree with porn sites in general? There's better targets to aim at if so. 'sides, there's better candidates for extinction on aesthetic grounds. There's a bar in the Cook Islands that has an email address of - I am not making this up ((c) Dave Barry) - drink(a)ronnies.co.ck. Aren't you glad the Cook Islands aren't selling commercial subdomains to everyone? m. PS: No, I don't know what they were thinking either.

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A Message from Exodus (fwd)
by Adam Rothschild 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Uggggh. So many people have requested this privately, I can't take it! So, here goes. Note that some of the information in the spam is totally false. Some is just plain funny/silly, such as: "If GTE/BBN has a brown-out tomorrow, their customers are out of luck if their network fails. At Exodus, traffic for all of our customers would just get rerouted either though our own backbone, or through another major Internet carrier (like UUNet)." Regards, -asr > > > From Mike.Johnson(a)exodus.net Tue Sep 29 11:09:32 1998 > > > Received: from venus.exodus.net (venus.exodus.net [209.185.81.244]) > > > by exoserv.exodus.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12891; Tue, > > > 29 Sep 1998 07:47:08 -0700 > > > Received: by venus.exodus.net with Internet Mail Service > > (5.0.1457.3) > > > id <Q3Y5LSL0>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:00:15 -0700 > > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:00:14 -0700 > > > From: Mike Johnson <Mike.Johnson(a)exodus.net> > > > Subject: A Message from Exodus > > > To: "'XXXXX@XXXXXX'" <XXXX@XXXXXXXX>, > > > "'XXXX@XXXXXXX'" <XXXXX@XXXXXXX> > > > Message-id: > > <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX(a)venus.exodus.net> > > > MIME-version: 1.0 > > > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) > > > Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > I would to talk with your company to see if we could provide some of > > = > > > our > > > Internet data center services for use in your business. In a > > nutshell, > > > our primary focus is to provide a world-class facility for managing > > the > > > Internet portion of an organization's data center. For a lot of > > our > > > clients (including several ISPs), our US facilities are their ONLY > > data > > > center facilities. Companies like Hotmail, iVillage, Geocities, > > > CondeNet, and USAToday run all of their server hardware in our > > > buildings. On the ISP side of the equation, we have connections > > with > > > nearly every public and private Internet exchange in the US and are > > > expanding into both Europe and Asia. If GTE/BBN has a brown-out > > > tomorrow, their customers are out of luck if their network fails. > > At > > > Exodus, traffic for all of our customers would just get rerouted > > either > > > though our own backbone, or through another major Internet carrier = > > > (like > > > UUNet). As a policy, we always add more physical bandwidth when we > > > reach 50% of capacity. > > > > > > I would really appreciate it if you could point me to someone there > > in > > > management who might be interested in spending a lot less money on > > your > > > equipment infrastructure and more on your core business. Here are > > some > > > bullet points for you to consider... > > > > > > > > > EXODUS' 7 INTERNET DATA CENTERS FEATURE: > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --= > > > > > > --- > > > * 7X24 monitored physical security =09 > > > * 12" raised flooring > > > * Battery back up =09 > > > * Diesel power generators=09 > > > * FM200 Fire Suppression System =09 > > > * Diverse local loops > > > * Scalable space from =BC shared rack to multiple 7'X 8' Virtual > > Data > > > Centers with dedicated racks and power. =20 > > > > > > EXODUS' VIRTUALLY UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH FEATURE: > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --= > > > > > > --------------- > > > * 1 Megabit Ethernet to 100 Megabit Fast Ethernet scalable Internet > > > connections > > > * Fixed and "usage based" bandwidth options > > > * Direct "public" connectivity to NAP's and MAE's > > > * Multiple PRIVATE peering agreements with other Tier 1 Service > > > Providers > > > * OC3 nationwide backbone > > > > > > EXODUS' MANAGED SERVICE INCLUDE: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > * Customized Computer Associates Unicenter TNG reports > > > * Distributed and Local Director / Disaster Recovery - Load > > Balancing > > > * URL monitoring and bandwidth utilization reports > > > * CheckPoint or Raptor firewall protection > > > > > > VALUE PROPOSITION > > > ---------------------------------- > > > Exodus capabilities can significantly benefit companies that have > > > figured out how to use the Internet as an effective business tool > > but > > > don't want to invest finite resources into managing their Web > > > operations. The Exodus solution allows these Internet savvy > > companies > > > to reduce Web administration costs, off-load IS resources, and > > reduce > > > time-to-market while increasing the quality and reliability of > > Internet > > > content distribution, communication and commerce. > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > Exodus Clients > > > "Non-Stop Internet Computing" > > > Companies doing serious business on the web, park their web servers > > at > > > the Exodus Internet Data Centers=20 > > > > > > Partial List > > > > > > Computer Associates Major Strategic Alliance =09 > > > http://www.ca-nethaven.com > > > > > > Geocities Top 5 Site on the Web > > > http://www.geocities.com > > > > > > Tripod Leading Web Community > > > http://www.tripod.com > > > > > > Microsoft Software Juggernaut > > > http://www.microsoft.com > > > > > > CBS Sportsline Top 3 Sport Site > > > http://www.sportsline.com > > > > > > Hearst New Media Major Media Site > > > http://www.homearts.com > > > > > > Oracle #1 Database Company > > > http://www.oracle.com > > > > > > Litlenet #1 Electronic Commerce Company > > > http://www.litle.net > > > > > > Tibco Reuters Information Service Provider > > > http://www.tibco.com > > > > > > BMG $5.8 Billion Entertainment Conglomerate > > > http://www.bmg.com > > > > > > D.E. Shaw / JUNO #2 Free E-mail Site > > > http://www.juno.com > > > > > > Poppe Tyson #1 Internet Marketing Co. for Wall Street > > > http://www.poppe.com > > > > > > USA Today #1 National Newspaper > > > http://www.usatoday.com=09 > > > > > > Progressive Networks Real Audio/Real Video > > > http://www.real.com > > > > > > HOTBOT Top Rated Search Engine > > http://www.hotbot.com > > > > > > Conde Nast Major Media Publisher > > > http://www.condenet.com > > > > > > Hotmail #1 Free E-mail Site > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > Lycos Top Rated Search Site > > > http://www.lycos.com > > > > > > *Over $100 Million of Customer equipment are housed in Exodus > > > facilities. > > > > > > > > > Please contact me if you think we might be able to work together. = > > > Thank > > > you for your consideration. > > > -- > > > Mike Johnson > > > Major Account Consultant > > > EXODUS COMMUNICATIONS > > > 212.220.5458 > > > mike.johnson(a)exodus.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike Johnson > > > Major Account Consultant > > > EXODUS COMMUNICATIONS > > > 212.220.5458 > > > mike.johnson(a)exodus.net

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Re: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by Bob Broedel 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Though published way back in 1982, "THE PUZZLE PALACE: Inside the National Security Agency, America's Most Secret Intelligence Organization" by James Bamford, is an important read on this topic. rgds,bro FSU MET

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Exodus Spammage
by Adam Rothschild 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Oh gwad, Exodus is now resorting to spammage to attract new customers. I don't like to do business with spammers, and I doubt anyone on this list does, either. So, be forewarned! ;-) To forward their spammage to this list would, if anything, glorify it. If you'd like to see it, feel free to drop me a note privately. Thanks, -asr

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RE: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by Goldstein_William＠bns.att.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Other postings on this list have noted that over half of the Internet traffic (at least on the Web) is porn. Perhaps offers a new angle for the Human Resources staff of NSA a new recruiting angle, i.e. "Look at naughty pictures all day AND GET PAID!!!!" At least it would offer the Starr staff steady employment after the Clinton investigation is over... ;-) (Opinions are my own, not of my employer) Bill Goldstein Senior Internet Specialist AT&T wgoldstein(a)att.com TEL:(412)642-7288 ---------- From: bjames Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:39 PM To: nanog Cc: bjames Subject: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are? This isn't entirely operational in nature, but if true does somewhat have an impact on what we are operating. You can find the entire text at www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15295.html but here are a few snippets to give you an idea of what it's about. "In October, Europe's governing body will commission a full report into the workings of Echelon, a global network of highly sensitive listening posts operated in part by America's most clandestine intelligence organization, the National Security Agency. " "Echelon is reportedly able to intercept, record, and translate any electronic communication -- telephone, data, cellular, fax, email, telex -- sent anywhere in the world. " "Echelon intercepts Internet traffic at the transport layer, such as the TCP/IP layer, so the system doesn't care too much what it is or where it came from," said Pike. "For analog traffic, such as telephone conversations, it uses automatic voice-recognition technology to scan the conversations." Seems far fetched (but not *that* far), but worth a read. Barry --- Barry L James \ \ I have known them all already, known them all. Mendicant \ \ I have known the mornings, evenings, afternoons. www.terraware.net \ \ I have measured my life with coffee spoons. blj(a)terraware.net ____/ \________________________ T.S. Eliot <<File: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are_.TXT>>

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Dean Anderson 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

At 02:15 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Barry Shein wrote: >The answer appears to be: There exists absolutely no review process, >no way to ascertain and air out the facts of the matter, the law of >the jungle rules in these matters. Welcome to the world of International trade. The Brits used to send their navy out to plunder spanish galleons on the high seas. What you didn't pick up, is that using your domains may not be a crime in other parts of the world. (Actually, its not technically a crime in the US either. But in the US, it may subject the unauthorized user to civil penalties) Althougth, there was a review process when the TLD's were created. It was decided then that each country would have a TLD, and would be responsible for its administration. So your rights are limited to whatever they are with respect to international law, and your rights in that foreign country. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? (fwd)
by Susan R. Harris 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:26 -0400 From: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> To: "Susan R. Harris" <srh(a)merit.edu> Cc: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 03:01:31PM -0400, Susan R. Harris wrote: > Hello Mr. Sobol - Your message header indicates that several of your > messages to the NANOG mailing list have also been cross-posted to other > lists. This practice is explicitly discouraged in the NANOG AUP: Hi there. I don't crosspost. The crossposts were very likely replies. I'll be careful to check my headers in the future. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Anyone who spams me will be subject to torture by Jake, my killer attack hedgehog, and/or Lizzy and Junior, my man-eating iguanas.

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by kbrown＠teamhuber.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> on 10/01/98 01:41:18 PM To: Aaron Goldblatt <aglists(a)goldblatt.net> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu (bcc: Kevin Brown/Teamhuber) Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? That was never the complaint. Are you being willfully ignorant or does it just come naturally? -- -Barry Shein ManOMan.. this is the exact same thought I was having about your behavior Barry. Take your crank elsewhere...I think the overwhelming populace of this list are absolutely tired of your willfully ignorant behavior and obvious social shortcomings. Seek help Barry, Seek it away from Nanog. STOP THIS THREAD. If you think you have a problem with .TO call the phone number, lodge a complaint with them, but please don't use NANOG as your "Party-Line Phone System." That technology went away (mostly) long ago...please take yourself with it. I suspect a former Tongan friend of yours has done you wrong, and now you are lashing out publically for it...they have a name for this Barry... displacement of anger. Please...displace yourself elsewhere... Must I go on? or can someone completely remove the rogue user Barry? Seems as if his postings are becoming a new "spam" of sorts... personal enlightenment at the cost of others, and their bandwidth. Someone get a Binky for Barry.

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LTTTD
by Rik Schneider 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Let The Tonga Thread Die Rik Schneider Unix Systems Administrator Net Asset LLC 1315 Van Ness Ave Suite 103 Fresno CA 93721 (209) 490-4000 -- My band career ended late in my senior year when John Cooper and I threw my amplifier out the dormitory window. We did not act in haste. First we checked to make sure the amplifier would fit through the frame, using the belt from my bathrobe to measure, then we picked up the amplifier and backed up to my bedroom door. Then we rushed forward, shouting "The WHO! The WHO!" and we launched my amplifier perfectly, as though we had been doing it all our lives, clean through the window and down onto the sidewalk, where a small but appreciative crowd had gathered. I would like to be able to say that this was a symbolic act, an effort on my part to break cleanly away from one state in my life and move on to another, but the truth is, Cooper and I really just wanted to find out what it would sound like. It sounded OK. -- Dave Barry, "The Snake"

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