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Draft NANOG agenda
by Susan R. Harris 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

Greetings - here's a draft agenda for the Atlanta meeting. For additional meeting details, see: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9811/update.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUNDAY EVENING, NOV. 8 TOOL DEMOS ---------- 6:30 p.m. Free Software for Configuring Routers and Monitoring Routing (Abha Ahuja, Merit, Jimmy Wan, IPMA/U-M, Mukesh Agrawal, IPMA/U-M) TUTORIALS --------- 7:15 p.m. Good ISPs Have No Class: Addressing Nuances and Nuisances (Howard Berkowitz) 8:45 p.m. Optimal External Route Selection: Tips and Techniques for ISPs (Avi Freedman, Net Access) MONDAY, NOV. 9 -------------- 9:00 a.m. Welcome, Introductions, Future Meetings (Craig Labovitz, Merit) 9:15 a.m. Alternative Interconnects: Technology, Attachment Requirements, and Performance Measurements (Bill Manning, ISI, panel moderator) 10:45 a.m. BREAK 11:00 a.m. Who You Gonna Call? (Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates) 11:30 a.m. Interesting Peering Activities at the Exchange Points (Naiming Shen, Cisco) 12:00-1:30 p.m. LUNCH 1:30 p.m. CA*net 3 - Architectural and Engineering Issues of Building an Optical Internet (Bill St. Arnaud, CANARIE) 2:15 p.m. Enabling Technologies for Large-Scale Backbone Caching (Peter Danzig, Network Appliance, moderator) Domestic Users of Caching - Ed Schwab, Tripod/Lycos - Ed Kern, DIGEX Enabling Technologies - TBA, Cisco - Shirish Sathaye, Alteon - Bill Maggs, MCI 3:45 p.m. BREAK 4:00 p.m. Multicast/MBGP: Real-Life Experiences in the Field (Dave Meyer, Cisco, panel moderator) - Steve Rubin, AboveNet - Dorian Kim, Verio - Doug Pasko, Cable & Wireless - Henry Kilmer/Danielle Deibler, DIGEX - Jian Li, Qwest - Amir Tabdili, Sprint - Mujahid Khan, Sprint 5:25-5:30 p.m. Planning for Multicast Address Allocation: A Plea for Input from the IETF MALLOC Working Group (Dave Thaler, Microsoft) 5:30 - 7:30 p.m. - Beer n'Gear! MONDAY EVENING BOFs ------------------- 7:30 - 9:00 p.m. Data Center Needs, Problems, and Technology (Bill Norton, Equinix, and Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates) 9:00 - 10:30 p.m. Caching in Today's Marketplace: Vendor Approaches and Solutions (Duane Wessels, University of California, San Diego) TUESDAY, NOV. 10 ----------------- 9:00 a.m. Updates from the Internet2 GigaPoPs - Ron Hutchins, Southern CrossRoads, Atlanta GigaPoP - Dave Meyer, Oregon GigaPoP - Mark Johnson, North Carolina Networking Initiative - Stan Barber, Texas GigaPoP 10:30 a.m. BREAK 10:45 a.m. ARIN Update (Kim Hubbard, ARIN) 11:00 a.m. InterNIC Update (Mark Kosters, InterNIC) 12:00 - 1:30 p.m. LUNCH 1:30 p.m. CAR Talk: Configuration Considerations for Cisco's Committed Access Rate (Cathy Wittbrodt, @Home) 2:00 p.m. Router Update: Fast Packet Forwarding and Packet Treatment for Differentiated Services (Curtis Villamizer, ANS, panel moderator) 4:00 p.m. Closing Remarks (Craig Labovitz, Merit) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Susan R. Harris, Ph.D. Merit Network, Inc. Phone: 734.936.2100 srh(a)merit.edu Senior Science Writer Fax: 734.647.3185 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Linux Router KIT
by shields＠crosslink.net 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

In article <19981028100541.00359(a)orlando.power.net>, dirk(a)power.net wrote: > Linux doesn't just kill Microsoft's NT and Solaris. It also eats > Cisco for lunch. This isn't true. IOS does a lot more than just get packets from interface A to interface B. (In terms of managability as well as functionality) -- Shields, CrossLink.

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Re: Linux router (don't laugh) WAS:Re: test
by John Fraizer 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

At 11:32 AM 10/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >You have two problems with this and they're both PC hardware-based. >1) IRQs are limited, if you subvert the printer and COM IRQs and have a >single SCSI card for your disk (and the required SVGA display controller), >you can use IRQ 3,4,5,7,11,12,14,15. This will max you out at 8 NICs on a >linux box. Each NIC must have its own IRQ. Survey says, "BUZZZZZZZZ" >From http://www.adaptec.com/products/datasheets/quartet.html "Hardware Interrupts: PCI interrupt A, supports shared interrupts" >So, if you are only doing 10baseT, you can have a mix of ISA/PCI NICs for a >maximum total of eight NICs before you start running into serious hardware >limitations. For 100baseTX you have a maximum of four NICs. Total cost >should be under $900US, if you are running Linux, plus the time it takes to >configure this mess (about three daze [call it a week]). 3 hours, includes: unpackaging all raw components, building system, installing the OS, setting up routing table and ipfwadm rules, installing ssh, and making the box basically secure. Then again, I build them on a regular basis. ------- John Fraizer | __ _ The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation A 486 is a terrible thing to waste...

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CISCO Easter Egg
by Martin, Christian 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

All, A little something spooky to see during the holiday season.... Oct 28 02:35:25 EST: %IPC-2-NOMEM: No memory available for .. something but I ca n't remember what.. The command is 'test ipc misc' And I though Cisco engineers had no time for play... -Chris

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Re: Linux router (don't laugh) WAS:Re: test
by John Fraizer 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

At 11:23 AM 10/28/98 +0000, you wrote: > >And you point? [PC's as routers is as old as the hills, loads of >ISP's do it]. > >Regards, >Neil. >-- >Neil J. McRae. Alive and Kicking. Domino: In the glow of the night. >neil(a)DOMINO.ORG NetBSD/sparc: 100% SpF (Solaris protection Factor) > Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">computer!</A> > > My point was to answer a gentlemans questions about using linux to route multiple NICs and multiple aliases. It started out like this: >From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com> >Subject: Re: test >Other lessons learned, > Linux won't route between multiple NICs, using multiple aliases, even with >ip-forwarding enabled. ...to which I replied: >Someone needs to tell one of our routers this. It has been routing between >multiple NICs for well over a year without any problem. >From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com> >In that case, I would dearly love to hear how it was done. ...to which I replied with concise information about the box in question, what each interface and alias was doing and why. It is at this point in the thread that you reply. Perhaps if you had read previous or subsequent messages in the thread, you would have realized that just because you and I know about PC's as routers and at least one of us, I can't speak for you, knows how to build and admin them, doesn't mean that the entire readership of NANOG does. The last time I checked, DOMINO.ORG wasn't an NSP, yet you still read NANOG. There are more NONE NSP people reading than you might realize and when they ask a question, wouldn't you think it makes more sense to ANSWER it rather berate them or the person(s) trying to answer it The thread goes on as it is interesting to at least a few of us and unlike much of the chatter, actually has something to do with the network. ------- John Fraizer | __ _ The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation A 486 is a terrible thing to waste...

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Carpet?
by Charles Sprickman 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

Hi, This is a bit off topic, but I'm sure someone here has opinions to share... I'm looking for carpeting for the area outside of a machine room that won't cause the "shuffle your feet and shock yourself" phenomenon. I noticed most datacenters I've seen are carpeted up to the entrance without any ESD problems. Is there special "anti-ESD" carpet? Where might I find it? Thanks, Charles =-----------------= = | Charles Sprickman Internet Channel | | INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 | | spork(a)inch.com access(a)inch.com | = =----------------=

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RE: Route Leaks
by Bono, Vinny J (CORP, ITDG) 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

I hate to say it, but there are, uh, instances, where AS filtering would not come close to being enough. For example, if you had an IGP involved that runs between two border routers, and the external table from one router somehow gets redistributed into the IGP and then picked up by the other and gets passed on, all the routes go out *without any previous AS path information*. -The pain now surfaces- Further, if you have one of these new fancy rotuing switches that essentially runs a different routing process on each blade (gee, like the BNx platforms from Bay used to do) you could (theoretically of course) have a pair of such blades do what I described above all in one box! The bottom line is that what happened last week end happened to us two years ago, and to PSI the year before that. This is not a new problem. Unless you are using the routing registries, which can get to be a royal pain in the ass, we are all somewhat dependant on our fellow will filter their outbound announcements appropriately. -vb > -----Original Message----- > From: Sanjay Dani [mailto:sanjay@professionals.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 2:57 AM > To: vbono(a)comstor.com > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Route Leaks > > > > > I'd like to propose a simple solution to the class of route > leak we've > > recently seen. > > I'd like to encourage our peers to put a simple filter in > place. If you > > peer with AS > > 3561, please do not accept any route with AS 3561 in the path from > > either your > > customers or your other peers. > > I feel almost silly to point out a simple solution, an extension > of the above, to the smart crowd here. But doesn't every one > at the very least filter routes from peers/customers to reject > ASes 701, 3561, 1, 1239 et al. (unless of course the peer is > one of them). Minimizes the damage right away. Of course, not > as tight as using routing registries. Has saved us a few > times. > > Now that is a positive side to the industry with a handful > few huge, transit-free, players. Just watch the mergers > and acquisitions news to stay current :-) > > -- > Regards, > Sanjay. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Web Professionals, Inc. Direct: +1 408-863-4850 > 20111 Stevens Creek Blvd, Suite 145 Biz/NOC: +1 408-863-4848 > Cupertino CA 95014 USA http://serverhosting.net > --------------------------------------------------------------- > -=- Data Center Server Hosting Inside an Internet Exchange -=- > >

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RE: CISCO Easter Egg
by Martin, Christian 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

I laughed at that too. Anyone from Cisco want to claim this? ;) Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Etler [mailto:etler@cs.wisc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 10:48 AM > To: Martin, Christian > Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' > Subject: Re: CISCO Easter Egg > > > > Oct 28 02:35:25 EST: %IPC-2-NOMEM: No memory available for > .. something > > but I ca > > n't remember what.. > > > > The command is 'test ipc misc' > > typing 'test ipc ?' gives a menu with the following in it: > > misc Misc. Software Tests Du Jour > > cute. > > Sam Etler > UW Madison > CSL Networking > >

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RE: UU Net sales tactics?
by Chris Mauritz 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

I've only been cold called by UUnet once. Digex was aggressively cold calling me a few months ago. I had been speaking briefly to Level3 (and decided not to use them), but another L3 person cold called someone else in our organization to sell colocation services at approximately the same time. Chris -----Original Message----- From: john(a)ciag.net [mailto:john@ciag.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 8:10 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: UU Net sales tactics? Has anyone else received a phone call from a UUnet salesman out of the blue? It appears that he used the Boardwatch magazine, because he quoted me some information out of it about my company. I simply can not believe the egos they have. I will never do business with UUnet, with this or any other company I am with. I use Fiber Network Solutions currently and am very happy with the service. Todd and Kyle are excellent at what they do. The comments that peaked my anger the most were. "Im sure companies as small as yours would b content with someone as small as Fibernet" When I stated to them that their company is one of the most expensive T1 providers, he responded with "Not every company is able to afford the best Internet that can be offered" (implying UUnet is directly that). Any comments or stories that can be shared?

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RE: root name servers
by Kamau Wanguhu 28 Oct '98

28 Oct '98

How about the other ones from L-M where are they "physically" located? ---- Kamau Wanguhu Cambridge Research Lab Compaq Computer Corporation kamau(a)crl.dec.com <mailto:kamau@crl.dec.com> +1.617.692.7613 > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Howard [mailto:phil@whistler.intur.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 09:34 > To: jra(a)scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: root name servers > > > Jay R. Ashworth writes... > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 1998 at 08:29:43AM -0800, > bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > > > anybody knows the physical location > > > > of all root name servers, or a pointer ? > > > Is it really important? > > > > The sort of person who wants to know this is roughly the > same sort of > > person who is interested in knowing that the AT&T Startum 1 > clock is in > > Hillsboro MO. > > > > You know: geeks. :-) > > OTOH, some of us don't care about those root servers because > we already > know where our own root servers are. All but one of my DNS > servers are > grass roots servers. You can take down all the root servers, > and if that > didn't also take out the TLD (e.g. .COM, .NET, .ORG, .GOV) > servers, then > I won't notice it much (except to wonder why there is a dropoff in my > load on smtp and http). > > BTW, knowing where the main root servers are topologically is probably > more dangerous than knowing where they all are physically. > And that is > information most everyone already has. > > -- > -- *-----------------------------* Phil Howard > KA9WGN * -- > -- | Inturnet, Inc. | Director of Internet > Services | -- > -- | Business Internet Solutions | eng at intur.net > | -- > -- *-----------------------------* philh at > intur.net * -- >

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