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BGP advertisements of peering points
by Andy McConnell 30 Mar '99

30 Mar '99

Forgive a newbie question from a new PAIX peer... I've noticed some ISPs (BBN (*ahem* GTE), UUNET and Verio specifically) are advertising the PAIX peering network (198.32.176.0) as originating from their AS. Is this a common practice for all ISPs, or just enough to make the IX reachable? -Andy -- Andy McConnell 真向練安堵龍 NTT America IP Headquarters First snow, then silence. This thousand dollar screen dies so beautifully. -- Haiku by Simon Firth

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Its official: www.whitehouse.gov was not down
by Sean Donelan 30 Mar '99

30 Mar '99

Last one on this, I promise. >BTW, it has been nearly twelve hours, and I still haven't heard back >from any providers involved if there was a simple cause why the sites >were down. That's not unusual either :-) I finally heard back from the providers in question. The answer..... They knew of no reason why the sites were down, but the sites were working again when the providers got around to checking on Monday. The White House press spokesperson Joe Lockhart reported in his daily briefing the www.whitehouse.gov web site was not down over the weekend, just slow due to all the traffic. Nevertheless, the US Secret Service has been requested to investigate (that should be interesting...) Those were the only official reports I found. Unofficial reports included a router failure, a power failure, a denial of service. Other more extreme rumors were also attracted to the information vacuum. Significantly, no backhoes were implicated :-) -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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whois database not being updated...
by John Fraizer 29 Mar '99

29 Mar '99

Has anyone noticed that the whois database is not showing updates to objects? What I mean is, although it shows... Database last updated on 27-Mar-99 16:27:44 EST. ...objects are not showing up in the database. Example: We received confirmation on one of our clients domains: From: Domain Registration Role Account <domreg(a)internic.net> Message-Id: <199903262007.PAA29021(a)mts2.internic.net> Subject: Re: [NIC-990326.839e] 1GIG.NET Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:07:36 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: domreg(a)internic.net To: John.Fraizer(a)EZ-Hosting.Com Cc: noc(a)ENTERZONE.NET X-Mailer: fastmail [version 2.4 PL24alpha4] X-UIDL: 227373416c861caaa4cc3d0efb76e90a Registration for the domain name shown below has been completed. Yet, a whois shows NOTHING: [root@Overkill /root]# whois 1gig.net [rs.internic.net] No match for "1GIG.NET". The InterNIC Registration Services database contains ONLY non-military and non-US Government Domains and contacts. Other associated whois servers: American Registry for Internet Numbers - whois.arin.net European IP Address Allocations - whois.ripe.net Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations - whois.apnic.net US Military - whois.nic.mil US Government - whois.nic.gov But, it's in the zone file: [root@Overkill /root]# nslookup Default Server: NS1.ENTERZONE.NET Address: 209.41.244.5 > server ns.netsol.com Default Server: ns.netsol.com Address: 198.41.0.196 > 1gig.net Server: ns.netsol.com Address: 198.41.0.196 Non-authoritative answer: 1gig.net nameserver = NS1.ENTERZONE.NET 1gig.net nameserver = NS2.ENTERZONE.NET Authoritative answers can be found from: 1gig.net nameserver = NS1.ENTERZONE.NET 1gig.net nameserver = NS2.ENTERZONE.NET NS1.ENTERZONE.NET internet address = 209.41.244.5 NS2.ENTERZONE.NET internet address = 209.41.244.6 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ML.ORG is gone. Check out http://www.EZ-IP.Net - It's *FREE* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your *FREE* Parked Domain account at http://www.EZ-Hosting.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Fraizer | __ _ | The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation PGP Key fingerprint = 7DB6 1CA2 DAA6 43DA 3AAF 44CD 258C 3D7E B425 81A8

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Re: A pair of interesting web site outages
by Sean Donelan 29 Mar '99

29 Mar '99

Uncle..... I said it was just slightly interesting. I don't intend to track the status of every web site on the Internet. There are several commercial companies which do that. Folks have suddenly discovered a number of government sites are out of service this weekend, and are coming up with all sorts of crazy theories. First of all, I don't know if many of the URL's folks sent me ever worked; so I don't know if the web site is really down or just another dead web link. In addition, people should remember most government webmasters don't work after 4:30pm on Friday. Its not all that unusual for a government web site to crash over the weekend and be down until Monday morning. Because I don't track web sites myself, I'll leave it up to one of the commercial web measurement firms to report if an unusual number of (private, commercial, government) web sites were down over the weekend. Operational points: I'm assuming its merely an interesting confluence of events. The Melissa virus notice is getting big media play, and some folks are turning off their mail (and web) servers just in case. Several reports involve web servers located at one provider's facility. There may be a single cause for those. And finally, sensitization of people because of my original message. BTW, it has been nearly twelve hours, and I still haven't heard back from any providers involved if there was a simple cause why the sites were down. That's not unusual either :-) -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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A pair of interesting web site outages
by Sean Donelan 29 Mar '99

29 Mar '99

Normally I wouldn't consider either of these very interesting, but both happening at the same time has a slight operational interest. The web site www.atis.org is one of the locations the telephone industry stores its emergency contact information so carriers can contact each other. It is also the web home for the reports issued by the network reliability analysis process. The web site is currently down (4:30 EST) The web site www.whitehouse.gov is a well-known government site, containing a variaty of current event information. This web site is also currently down (4:30 EST). Both sites pass through PSI's Herndon, Virginia offices. I sent a few queries to people before sending this message, but didn't receive an immediate response. I assume its just coincidence these sites failed at the same time. But it was interesting how seemingly unrelated things can happen at the same time. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Network Solutions is now in the wringer
by Sean Donelan 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

pceasy(a)norfolk.INfi.NET (Dean Robb) writes: >While not a network operator, I think it would be most prudent to consider >and discuss (among those who ARE netops) what do to if, say, the root >server were suddenly comletely unaccessible for several days/permanently >for *whatever* reason. Duh, isn't that why there is more than one root server in the world? Remember various root servers have/are/will be unavailable for varying periods of time. Except for people who track these things closely, very few of these incidents have any noticeble impact on the Internet. The loss of any one (or even two, three, or four) root servers is not much of a crisis. However I feel some people confuse the data in the root servers, with the databases used to generate those zone files. There is a subtle, but important difference. And why simply copying the zone files is not sufficient. >Does anyone know if NSI even has an off-site mirror running? Or are all >the eggs in one basket? Without actually confirming they exist myself, NSI has reported in various forums including NANOG they have off-site backups. The GTLD's generally have much better backup, and diversity than most country TLD's, many US subdomains and ISP delegations. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Network Solutions is now in the wringer
by Sean Donelan 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

pceasy(a)norfolk.INfi.NET (Dean Robb) writes: >So who has copies of the databases? If NSI's master (the a-root?) is >unavailable, new domains obviously wouldn't propagate, but how long can the >other root servers go without getting an update? Does the system as >currently configured *require* some server somewhere to be the master and >is there one that can take over if NSI's are toast? It depends. How's that for an ambigous answer. Technically the other root servers can go for a long time (e.g. at least until the sun engulfs the earth) without getting an update. However, there are other concerns beyond the scop of this list (social, political) which may require the recovery take place sooner. Fact of the matter, this is a lot like asking who has copies of the 1-800 database in case something happens to St. Louis, MO or who has copies of the ATM card database if something happens to Secaucus, NJ. The only answer you will get is there are "disaster recovery plans," but the plans are confidential, proprietary, and you generally can't see them. How good are the plans, or do they really exist? I'm afraid we don't find out until something like Galaxy IV spins out of control and the world discovers the backup plan involves a person going out to each pager site in the country and manually re-pointing the dish at a different satellite over the course of a week. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Network Solutions is now in the wringer
by Stephen Sprunk 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

I believe Vixie stated (back in November) that all of the root server operators now manually FTP the files from NSI and load them as local masters after manual verification (http://www.cctec.com/maillists/nanog/historical/9811/msg00369.html) I don't believe it's been stated publicly whether they keep backup copies, but I'd be surprised if none of them did. Paul? Care to comment? Stephen | | Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE #3723 :|: :|: NSA, Network Consulting Engineer :|||: :|||: 14875 Landmark Blvd #400; Dallas, TX .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. Pager: 800-365-4578 / 800-901-6078 C I S C O S Y S T E M S Email: ssprunk(a)cisco.com -----Original Message----- From: Dean Robb <pceasy(a)norfolk.infi.net> To: Sean Donelan <SEAN(a)SDG.DRA.COM> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 22:18 Subject: Re: Network Solutions is now in the wringer > >At 01:22 3/27/99 -0600, Sean Donelan wrote: >> >>pceasy(a)norfolk.INfi.NET (Dean Robb) writes: >>>While not a network operator, I think it would be most prudent to consider >>>and discuss (among those who ARE netops) what do to if, say, the root >>>server were suddenly comletely unaccessible for several days/permanently >>>for *whatever* reason. >> >>Duh, isn't that why there is more than one root server in the world? > >My concern is with the master server that NSI operates. My hope was that a >netop who *didn't* have a contingency plan might start putting one together. > >>However I feel some people confuse the data in the root servers, with >>the databases used to generate those zone files. There is a subtle, but >>important difference. And why simply copying the zone files is not >>sufficient. > >So who has copies of the databases? If NSI's master (the a-root?) is >unavailable, new domains obviously wouldn't propagate, but how long can the >other root servers go without getting an update? Does the system as >currently configured *require* some server somewhere to be the master and >is there one that can take over if NSI's are toast? > > > >"Small minds can only contemplate small ideas".....Unknown > >Dean Robb >Owner, PC-EASY >(757) 495-EASY [3279] >On-site computer repair, upgrades and consultations >Read my game reviews/columns in SimOps on WWW.TheGamers.Net

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Re: Fwd: Internet Domain Name Owner and ISP Address lists on CD-ROM
by Derek Balling 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

Many people asked for the full headers (and I thought I had included them but I obviously hadn't). Here they are : Received: from howys.mid-wales.net (howys.mid-wales.net [195.74.101.9]) by lawgiver.megacity.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01365 for <dredd(a)megacity.org>; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:04:17 -0800 From: superman33(a)bigfoot.com Received: from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Message-Id: <199903280037.AAA01252(a)howys.mid-wales.net> X-Sender: superman33(a)bigfoot.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:15:04 -0500 Subject: Internet Domain Name Owner and ISP Address lists on CD-ROM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: >At 18:58 3/27/99 -0800, you wrote: >> >>So THIS is who's been beating up on the WHOIS servers. >> >>>From: superman33(a)bigfoot.com >>>X-Sender: superman33(a)bigfoot.com >>>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 >>>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:15:04 -0500 >>>Subject: Internet Domain Name Owner and ISP Address lists on CD-ROM >>> >>>We have compiled an international database with over 2,100,000 data >>>records of Internet Domain Name Owners (Web Site Owners) including >>>Company Name, Contact Names (owner, administrative & technical), >>>Address, Telephone and Fax Numbers, Domain Name or URL, Date the Domain >>>was first registered and E-mail Addresses and sorted it geographically. >>>This list has been reduced from the total list of over 4.6 million Domain >>>Names in our data base as many people own more than one Domain Name. >>> >>>Complete data records of Internet Domain Names are available and can be >>>sorted by City, State, Postal Zip Code, Telephone Area Code or Country. >>>Prices for this data range depending on quantity ordered. >>> >>>We also offer a Personalized Fax Service to over one million North >>>American Domain Name Owners and hundreds of thousands elsewhere, and we >>>can send your message in the form of a personalized business fax letter >>>with none of the tell tale signs of junk fax at a fraction of the cost of >>>regular mail. Call (305) 418-7385 for more information. >>> >>>CD-ROM's >>> >>>The E-mail Address Only CD list of over 2,100,000 Internet Domain >>>Name Owners is divided into directories with one directory for each >>>country. The USA is sorted by state and telephone area code, Canada is >>>sorted by province and telephone area code. Just over 1.5 million of the >>>e-mail addresses on this list are in the USA. This CD has been dubbed The >>>Ultimate Internet marketing Tool. >>> >>>This is a sorted list of over 2,100,000 Internet Domain Name Owner E-mail >>>Addresses as of March 20, 1999 and therefore it is the Cleanest E-mail >>>Address List Available Anywhere, yours to use over and over again, for a >>>FRACTION of the cost that other companies charge. Standard rates for >>>acquiring targeted e-mail lists range from 3 cents to as high as 8 cents >>>per e-mail address. Today you can own it for just US$999.95 plus shipping >>>and handling (a fraction of a cent each). >>> >>>Advertisers are often concerned that not all of the addresses on a >>>list are valid or active. We have taken every possible step to ensure >>>that the list is well-maintained and that there are no "dead addresses" >>>on the list. If you advertise to this list, your ad can reach over >>>2,100,000 unique persons who do business on the Internet and are >>>presumably interested in Internet advertising and marketing. >>> >>>Direct e-mail is the most powerful and least expensive method of >>>advertising. Why not introduce your business to millions of >>>potential customers? If used properly e-mail is the most efficient lead >>>generator available anywhere. >>> >>>There are no SIC codes available for the list and if you only want to >>>advertise to a small portion of the E-mail only list you will have to >>>purchase the entire list. >>> >>> >>>PLUS now you can purchase; >>> >>>The Definitive List of Internet Service Providers on CD. >>> >>>If you are marketing your products or services to ISP's you'll be >>>interested in this list. >>> >>>We have compiled a list of ISP's everywhere, checked to see that they all >>>have active web sites and double checked their mailing addresses through >>>the US and Canadian post offices to ensure that the information in North >>>America is as current as possible. >>> >>>Our list has over 5,000 in North America and thousands more >>>internationally. Our CD-ROM includes their company name, mailing address, >>>telephone and fax numbers, URL, e-mail address and in most cases a >>>contact name. >>> >>>The first release of this product will be March 25, 1999. The CD will >>>retail at US$1599.95 plus shipping & handling. A special introductory >>>discount of 20% will apply to orders paid before April 1999. So order >>>your copy today and take advantage of the introductory special price >>>(US$1279.96). >>> >>>Targeted data in such small quantities as this can retail and usually >>>does for as much as 50 cents per data record, now you can own it for less >>>than 16 cents per record. >>> >>>To order your copies on CD please send us a purchase order and to find >>>out more call us at (305) 418-7385. >>> >>>Portal Opportunities Inc. >>>Basseterre, St. Kitts >>>Tel/Fax - (305) 418-7385 >>> >>>If you reach our voice mail >>>please leave your name, telephone >>>number and e-mail address. >>> >> >> >> >> > > >************************************************** >Andrea Di Lecce (416) 935-6485 >Rogers@Home Network Operations >1 Mount Pleasant Road, Toronto, M4Y 2Y5 >**************************************************

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Fwd: Internet Domain Name Owner and ISP Address lists on CD-ROM
by Derek Balling 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

So THIS is who's been beating up on the WHOIS servers. >From: superman33(a)bigfoot.com >X-Sender: superman33(a)bigfoot.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:15:04 -0500 >Subject: Internet Domain Name Owner and ISP Address lists on CD-ROM > >We have compiled an international database with over 2,100,000 data >records of Internet Domain Name Owners (Web Site Owners) including >Company Name, Contact Names (owner, administrative & technical), >Address, Telephone and Fax Numbers, Domain Name or URL, Date the Domain >was first registered and E-mail Addresses and sorted it geographically. >This list has been reduced from the total list of over 4.6 million Domain >Names in our data base as many people own more than one Domain Name. > >Complete data records of Internet Domain Names are available and can be >sorted by City, State, Postal Zip Code, Telephone Area Code or Country. >Prices for this data range depending on quantity ordered. > >We also offer a Personalized Fax Service to over one million North >American Domain Name Owners and hundreds of thousands elsewhere, and we >can send your message in the form of a personalized business fax letter >with none of the tell tale signs of junk fax at a fraction of the cost of >regular mail. Call (305) 418-7385 for more information. > >CD-ROM's > >The E-mail Address Only CD list of over 2,100,000 Internet Domain >Name Owners is divided into directories with one directory for each >country. The USA is sorted by state and telephone area code, Canada is >sorted by province and telephone area code. Just over 1.5 million of the >e-mail addresses on this list are in the USA. This CD has been dubbed The >Ultimate Internet marketing Tool. > >This is a sorted list of over 2,100,000 Internet Domain Name Owner E-mail >Addresses as of March 20, 1999 and therefore it is the Cleanest E-mail >Address List Available Anywhere, yours to use over and over again, for a >FRACTION of the cost that other companies charge. Standard rates for >acquiring targeted e-mail lists range from 3 cents to as high as 8 cents >per e-mail address. Today you can own it for just US$999.95 plus shipping >and handling (a fraction of a cent each). > >Advertisers are often concerned that not all of the addresses on a >list are valid or active. We have taken every possible step to ensure >that the list is well-maintained and that there are no "dead addresses" >on the list. If you advertise to this list, your ad can reach over >2,100,000 unique persons who do business on the Internet and are >presumably interested in Internet advertising and marketing. > >Direct e-mail is the most powerful and least expensive method of >advertising. Why not introduce your business to millions of >potential customers? If used properly e-mail is the most efficient lead >generator available anywhere. > >There are no SIC codes available for the list and if you only want to >advertise to a small portion of the E-mail only list you will have to >purchase the entire list. > > >PLUS now you can purchase; > >The Definitive List of Internet Service Providers on CD. > >If you are marketing your products or services to ISP's you'll be >interested in this list. > >We have compiled a list of ISP's everywhere, checked to see that they all >have active web sites and double checked their mailing addresses through >the US and Canadian post offices to ensure that the information in North >America is as current as possible. > >Our list has over 5,000 in North America and thousands more >internationally. Our CD-ROM includes their company name, mailing address, >telephone and fax numbers, URL, e-mail address and in most cases a >contact name. > >The first release of this product will be March 25, 1999. The CD will >retail at US$1599.95 plus shipping & handling. A special introductory >discount of 20% will apply to orders paid before April 1999. So order >your copy today and take advantage of the introductory special price >(US$1279.96). > >Targeted data in such small quantities as this can retail and usually >does for as much as 50 cents per data record, now you can own it for less >than 16 cents per record. > >To order your copies on CD please send us a purchase order and to find >out more call us at (305) 418-7385. > >Portal Opportunities Inc. >Basseterre, St. Kitts >Tel/Fax - (305) 418-7385 > >If you reach our voice mail >please leave your name, telephone >number and e-mail address. >

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