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My mistake...Teach me to quote from memory
by owen＠dixon.DeLong.SJ.CA.US 05 Apr '99

05 Apr '99

It's been called to my attention (Thanks EK) that I should have looked at a chart before quoting what I did about Eugene. I'm exactly right about Ashland, OR, and I've made that trip several times before. However, what I thought was Eugene (the larger airport just north of Ashland) in my memory is actually Medford. This has very few impacts to what I said, but here are the differences... The trip to Ashland from Eugene via air is approximately 1 hour each way. (This is still no problem and I hope others will still be interested). The Oregon Shakespeare festival puts on Excellent performances. The flying time to Eugene is probably about 45 minutes more each way that I had initially anticipated. I assure everyone, I will have a detailed flight plan based on correct navigational data (charts, databases, etc.) and current weather conditions prior to commencing the flight. If weather conditions are visual, I plan to fly as close to a straight line direct to Eugene as possible. If we are faced with Instrument conditions, I'll plan the most direct route possible with the navigational facilities available at the time (this is usually pretty close to direct along this route). In either case, if people want to make a side trip around Shasta, it's on that line, so that won't be a problem. Bring cameras. Owen

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Re: WARNING: NO OPERATIONAL CONTENT
by owen＠dixon.DeLong.SJ.CA.US 05 Apr '99

05 Apr '99

At first, I was only going to send this to David, but I realized others considering this might be interested in these answers. > GPS included there? Planned cruising altitude? Are you planning on flying > the Ashland trip at night at 12,500 ft or below since I assume there is no > supplimental oxygen? > GPS is included. Cruising altitude for most of the trip will probably be 6000 or 8000, with a brief stint at 10500 (VMC) or 12000 (IMC). The night flight is entirely unlikely to get above about 3000 (it's less than 50nm). There's no GPS in the panel if I remember correctly, but my trusty Garmin 195 will be along for the ride. > Please be careful, you might want to ask the weight of the people that > email you. > Yes, prior to guaranteeing anyone a seat, weight and balance will be fully computed and people will be asked about their baggage weight and dimensions as well. The airplane has MGTW of 3400 pounds and basic empty weight of ~1750. It holds 84 gallons of fuel at 6 pounds, which means the full-fuel weight is ~2200 pounds. This leaves 1200 pounds to divide among up to 6 people. Admittedly, I'll use more than my 200, but we can make the trip to EUG on less than 45 gallons, so we may only fill it to the tabs. That would free about another 120 pounds if necessary. I prefer to fly with full fuel. Extra fuel is more options. > Can I ask if you have flown this area before? What altitude are the > obstructions enroute to Ashland at? Ive got a GPS I can loan you for that > leg. Terrain would be my only concern. For all who dont know that plan a > Cherokee 6 is a heck of a strong plane, usually used for light cargo by > many companies (newspaper bundles, bank notes etc). > Yes, I've made the trip from the bay area to the Rogue Valley several times before in a variety of types ranging from PA28 (Archer) to M20K (Mooney 231 Turbo). Eugene and Ashland are basically in the Rogue Valley together. There are very few obstructions between them, although there is high terrain surrounding the valley. A little planning, a good look at the sectional, and adherence to IFR altitudes at night should cover any concerns in this area. Owen > > At 1:58 PM -0400 4/2/99, Owen DeLong wrote: > >However, I think some people on the list may be interested... > > > >I am flying a Cherokee Six (6 person single engine aircraft) to the > >May NANOG. Currently, two seats are occupied. I'm looking for additional > >people who would be interested in flying up with me. I plan to leave > >San Jose Sunday morning (5/23) around 9:00 to get to Eugene around Noon. > >I have four seats available. Plan is to share rental costs on the airplane, > >divided equally amongst myself and the passengers. The airplane rents > >for $112/hour and I estimate we will log around 7-8 hours on it. > >That's about $900 worst case. If we get 6 people in the plane, that works > >out to about $150 each. Fuel is included in the rental rate. > > > >I'm also planning to organize a side-trip to Ashland on Sunday night. > >There is an 8:00 PM performance of Othello in the Agnes Bowmer theater > >which is part of the Oregon Shakespeare festival. There are currently > >three seats occupied for that side trip, but the first three people who > >sign up for the bay area run have priority on the remaining three seats > >for the side-trip. > > > >I am a Private Pilot, Airplane Single Engine Land. I have an Instrument > >Rating. I have over 600 hours of flight experience, including more than > >200 hours in actual instrument conditions. I have never been involved > >in an incident or accident. I have convinced four people who were afraid > >of flying even on commercial airliners to fly with me. One of them is > >working on his private pilot certificate. The other three fly every > >chance they get. If you have been in a small plane, then you know how > >much fun this can be. If you have not, this is a great opportunity to > >see aviation from a whole new perspective. Everyone in this plane can > >see out the front windows and hear everything that's happening with > >air traffic control. > > > >The flight from the bay area to Eugene is a beautiful flight with > >spectacular scenery along the way, including Mt. Shasta. We'll > >probably pass by Mt. Shasta about 500-1000' below the peak. The > >view is spectacular. If people are interested, we will even be able > >to circle the mountain. > > > >If you are interested, please e-mail me. I will reserve space in the order > >in which I receive email replies. > > > >Pilot: Owen DeLong > >Airplane: N33076 Piper Cherokee Six (300 HP) > > > >Disclaimer: As with any air travel, this flight would be subject to delays > >or cancellation due to mechanical or weather problems. This aircraft does > >not have the same weather capabilities as a commercial airliner, so there > >is a slightly higher chance of the flight being delayed or diverted due > >to weather. However, in late May, the odds of unfavorable weather are very > >very small. > > > >Owen > > Thank you, > David Diaz > Chief Technical Officer > Netrail, Inc > > email: davediaz(a)netrail.net > pager: 888-576-1018 > office: 888-NETRAIL > Fax: 404 522-2191 > > Build 1: 46 cities nationwide > Build 2: 67 cities nationwide > > ++I don't suffer from stress. I'm a carrier.++ >

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It Will Be Great
by Sid 05 Apr '99

05 Apr '99

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WARNING: NO OPERATIONAL CONTENT
by owen＠dixon.DeLong.SJ.CA.US 05 Apr '99

05 Apr '99

However, I think some people on the list may be interested... I am flying a Cherokee Six (6 person single engine aircraft) to the May NANOG. Currently, two seats are occupied. I'm looking for additional people who would be interested in flying up with me. I plan to leave San Jose Sunday morning (5/23) around 9:00 to get to Eugene around Noon. I have four seats available. Plan is to share rental costs on the airplane, divided equally amongst myself and the passengers. The airplane rents for $112/hour and I estimate we will log around 7-8 hours on it. That's about $900 worst case. If we get 6 people in the plane, that works out to about $150 each. Fuel is included in the rental rate. I'm also planning to organize a side-trip to Ashland on Sunday night. There is an 8:00 PM performance of Othello in the Agnes Bowmer theater which is part of the Oregon Shakespeare festival. There are currently three seats occupied for that side trip, but the first three people who sign up for the bay area run have priority on the remaining three seats for the side-trip. I am a Private Pilot, Airplane Single Engine Land. I have an Instrument Rating. I have over 600 hours of flight experience, including more than 200 hours in actual instrument conditions. I have never been involved in an incident or accident. I have convinced four people who were afraid of flying even on commercial airliners to fly with me. One of them is working on his private pilot certificate. The other three fly every chance they get. If you have been in a small plane, then you know how much fun this can be. If you have not, this is a great opportunity to see aviation from a whole new perspective. Everyone in this plane can see out the front windows and hear everything that's happening with air traffic control. The flight from the bay area to Eugene is a beautiful flight with spectacular scenery along the way, including Mt. Shasta. We'll probably pass by Mt. Shasta about 500-1000' below the peak. The view is spectacular. If people are interested, we will even be able to circle the mountain. If you are interested, please e-mail me. I will reserve space in the order in which I receive email replies. Pilot: Owen DeLong Airplane: N33076 Piper Cherokee Six (300 HP) Disclaimer: As with any air travel, this flight would be subject to delays or cancellation due to mechanical or weather problems. This aircraft does not have the same weather capabilities as a commercial airliner, so there is a slightly higher chance of the flight being delayed or diverted due to weather. However, in late May, the odds of unfavorable weather are very very small. Owen

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Record created dates back in whois!
by John Fraizer 04 Apr '99

04 Apr '99

Well folks, the Record Created entry is back in the whois output as of this morning: [root@Overkill /]# date ; whois merit.edu Sun Apr 4 07:40:07 EDT 1999 [rs.internic.net] Registrant: Merit Network Inc (MERIT-DOM) 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 US Domain Name: MERIT.EDU Administrative Contact: Domain Name Administrator (DN522-ORG) domain-admin(a)MERIT.EDU 734-764-9430 Fax- 734-647-3185 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Domain Name Technical Support (DN523-ORG) domain-tech(a)MERIT.EDU 734-764-9430 Fax- 734-647-3185 Billing Contact: Domain Name Billing (DN524-ORG) domain-billing(a)MERIT.EDU 734-764-9430 Fax- 734-647-3185 Record last updated on 04-Feb-99. Record created on 03-Oct-86. Database last updated on 3-Apr-99 21:42:11 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS.MERIT.NET 198.108.1.42 DNS2.MERIT.NET 198.109.36.3 DNS3.MERIT.NET 198.108.130.5 DNS.UCAR.EDU 192.52.106.6 The InterNIC Registration Services database contains ONLY non-military and non-US Government Domains and contacts. Other associated whois servers: American Registry for Internet Numbers - whois.arin.net European IP Address Allocations - whois.ripe.net Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations - whois.apnic.net US Military - whois.nic.mil US Government - whois.nic.gov Could it be that NetSOL actually changed as a result of public outrage? Naw... Couldn't be! ------------------------------------------------------------------ ML.ORG is gone. Check out http://www.EZ-IP.Net - It's *FREE* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your *FREE* Parked Domain account at http://www.EZ-Hosting.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Fraizer | __ _ | The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation PGP Key fingerprint = 7DB6 1CA2 DAA6 43DA 3AAF 44CD 258C 3D7E B425 81A8

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NANOG Mail Loop *RESOLVED*
by Craig Labovitz 04 Apr '99

04 Apr '99

We are aware of the NANOG mail loop and have taken steps (including implementing the suggestion of 'X-Loop: nanog') to correct the problem. Please send reports of any additional list problems or comments/suggestions nanog-support(a)nanog.org. - Craig

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Re: proper list for net abuse discussions?
by Sean Donelan 04 Apr '99

04 Apr '99

randy(a)psg.COM (Randy Bush) writes: >> outage-discuss(a)academ.com >> and Seans excellent idig missive... >> both excellent tools. > >i do not think either of these is for abuse discussions. abuse != outage >except when the abuser is a backhoe. I specifically tried to exclude "abuse" and "security" incidents for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which, is because I'm neither a cop nor a lawyer, just an engineer. For those that don't keep up on these things, the Department of Commerce has named three sector coordinators to address attacks on critical information and communication infrastructures. The designated representatives are - Information Technology Association of America - Telecommunications Industry Association - United States Telephone Association. In so far as "abuse" may be considered an attack, I would suggest contacting one of the designated sector coordinators. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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proper list for net abuse discussions?
by Dan Hollis 03 Apr '99

03 Apr '99

Whats the best list for discussing network abuse eg cracking attempts, denial of service attacks, etc? Eg one with network operators on it who will actually take action when notified. -Dan

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Network Solutions Quietly Implements New Registration System--April 3, 1999
by Henry Linneweh 03 Apr '99

03 Apr '99

This should make someone happy... Network Solutions Quietly Implements New Registration System http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article/0,1087,3_91911,00.html Henry R. Linneweh

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Re: proper list for net abuse discussions?
by owen＠dixon.DeLong.SJ.CA.US 03 Apr '99

03 Apr '99

> > On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, TTSG wrote: > > > We were hoping that "Hack-Track" would be the forum. > > > Check out http://www.hack-track.com for instructions. > > > > Shouldnt that be cracker-tracker. It might be excusable for techology > > illiterate journalists to misuse the term "hack" but its inexcusable for > > computer professionals. > > > I'd rather not get into a discussion about this, since as an > "ex-hacker" from 1978.... To me "hacker" is computer, "cracker" is software. > > Tuc/TTSG > > A hack is a clever (albeit not necessarily clean or well-structured) piece of code or a hardware modification which performs some function, usually added into some piece of hardware or software never intended to perform that function. A crack is the use of or a method to achieve the use of a system in a way not authorized by the systems owner. A hack can be used as a crack, but a hack is not necessarily abuse, a crack is. If you look at most of the common usages, this pretty well fits. Until recently, very few crackers wer not hackers as well. Until the advent of the web, it was not so easy for crackers to share their warez and methods with other less-experienced crackers. This lead to a situation where crackers pretty much had to figure things out for themselves. The web has changed that. Now any hacker who develops a crack can easily make the crack available to any number of crackers who wish to use it. This has lowered the barrier of entry for crackers substantially. Unfortunately, the media has continued to use the therm hacker as if it were synonymous with cracker. A hack, such as an email message which makes use of some vulnerability in sendmail to cause the system to notify the administrator that his sendmail is vulnerable, for example, is not a crack. However, if someone were to run it against a number of systems that he was not authorized to test for this vulnerability, that would then be a crack. Also, software which allows one to violate license enforcement provisions in other software is a crack. Again, it creates an unauthorised use. Owen

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