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Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
by mcfbbqroast . 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

One thing I've noted from those that support Verizon in this thread is that they often talk about Netflix's policy being unfair on small ISPs. Verizon is not a small ISP. Small ISPs seem happy peering with Netflix when they can (in fact they seem happy peering with anyone given there costs of transit) or getting a cache if they're big enough. My way of thinking it always has been that you are an ISP. An INTERNET service provider. As such you must make a best effort attempt to connect your customers to the internet at the speed you advertise. Let's cut the crap, Verizon is not irritated by Netflix's policies. They're irritated by Netflix and friends cutting into their far more lucrative content market.

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Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
by Brett Glass 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

At 06:49 AM 7/15/2014, Baldur Norddahl wrote: >Ah but they are charging you for it. You are paying approximately 40x as >much for your bandwidth as you should be (you said you paid 20 USD/Mbps - >an outrageous rate). You have a link to a place where you can buy 1 Gbps >flatrate for USD 500 per month, so why aren't you? Because I'd be charged at least as much per Mbps for raw transport as I am paying now. (I look at pricing every quarter to see if I can do better. Because I'm rural it has not happened.) --Brett Glass

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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
by Larry Sheldon 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

On 7/21/2014 2:26 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > I think the difference is when the municipality starts throwing in > free or highly subsidized layer 3 connectivity "free with every layer > 1 connection" I don't think "municipality" is particularly relevant. What is relevant is offering unfunded, un-understood, freebies. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
by Larry Sheldon 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

On 7/21/2014 2:08 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote: > My power is pretty much always on, my water is pretty much always on > and safe, my sewer system works, etc etc... > > Why is layer 1 internet magically different from every other utility? Almost forces a "what planet" question. Our power comes, some times, from Omaha Public Power District (not a municipal entity). Cutting the necessary slack for the storms we have here, there are still way too many hits, blinks, and occasional hours-long outages that are never explained. When I was a manager in a data Center in San Jose, California we had to install a 250KVA UPS plant and run the 1100/80 on rotating machines in order to survive the incessant hits, dips, drops, and outages. Our water here is from a non-municipal Metropolitan Utilities District (who also does natural gas which we don't have). And it is reliable and safe (if drinking water strongly laced with chlorine products can be said to be "safe"). Where we are, the sewer system (a Municipal Utility!) seems to work, but in parts of Omaha if there is any rain to speak of peoples basements fill with sewage. Several tax-increases and bond sales have been made to fix that, but it appears that the upscale parts of town gets new sidewalks. Telephone, TV and Internet Service Provision is all Cox Cable (not a Municipal Utility) and it all pretty much works as long as OPPD hasn't gone to lunch. So I don't think it matters much what "kind" of an operation it is--it matters what kinds of things are demanded-of and provided-for (funded) by the customers and the owners. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG Reminders and Updates
by Betty Burke <betty＠nanog.org> 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

Colleagues: A few reminders regarding NANOG 61- Bellevue, ARIN+NANOG on The Road - Madison, NANOG 62 - Baltimore, Baltimore Education Classes, 2014 Elections, and a NANOG Portal Update follow; NANOG 61 Presentations <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog61/agenda> and Meeting Survey Results <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog61/surveys> are posted. NANOG on the Road will be traveling to Madison, WS <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/road4/home> on September 9, 2014. The pre-agenda is expected very shortly. Please note, registration is required, however there is no fee to attend. NANOG 62 CFP <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog62/callforpresentations>, Registration <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog62/registration>, and Hotel Reservations <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog62/hotelinformation> are open. As the deadline is fast approaching, please do consider submitting a presentation. The NANOG Registration Fee will increase on September 15, 2014. We expect strong attendance, thus be sure to make your room reservation soon. Do you know someone who might need a bit of assistance attending NANOG 62, please send along information regarding our NANOG Fellowship <https://www.nanog.org/resources/fellowships> program. Two Education Classes, Routing Fundamentals <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/education/baltimore_education_classes/routin…> and IPv6 Routing Fundamentals <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/education/baltimore_education_classes/ipv6_r…> will be offered on Sunday, October 5, 2015 in Baltimore. These classes offer This is a great opportunity for budding engineers or graduate students, as well as current Internet technicians, to learn best practices, refresh on routing skills. 2014 Elections are fast approaching. The Election announcement will be sent shortly. So as to participate in NANOG leadership discussions, be sure to renew and/or join NANOG <https://www.nanog.org/membership/join> now. Lastly, as you prepare to Register for NANOG 62, or renew your NANOG membership, you will see a new NANOG Portal (ARO) interface with more icons and simpler navigation paths to help you get where you want to go. Should you decide you like the look/feel of the old interface, you can switch back by following the steps: - Log onto your ARO account at https://www.nanog.org/login and enter your username and password. - Click on My ARO at the top left next to the NANOG logo; then click on My Account. - Under Account Preferences on the right side, select NO at "Show New Interface." We hope you find these reminders and information helpful. Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact nanog-support(a)nanog.org. Sincerely, Betty -- Betty Burke NANOG Executive Director 48377 Fremont Boulevard, Suite 117 Fremont, CA 94538 Tel: +1 510 492 4030 _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)mailman.nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
by Jay Ashworth 21 Jul '14

21 Jul '14

----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Herrin" <bill(a)herrin.us> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> wrote: > > I will point out that in my experience, private roads do not tend to > > be as well > > maintained overall as public roads with some notable exceptions in > > very wealthy > > gated communities. > > Ironically, I've had the opposite experience. The nearby Dulles Toll > Road, Greenway and Beltway HOT lanes are all in much better condition > than all but a few of the rest of the local roads. My buddies out at > http://hoveroad.com/ don't keep the roads in as good shape, but they > are in excellent repair for an organization that maintains 157 miles > of roads on a $1M annual budget. Vastly better than what I've seen a > municipality achieve for the same price. Stop it, Bill. Owen didn't say "privately owned *toll road*"; "very wealthy gated communities" are even still rarely large enough to need their own turnpikes. If you keep setting up straw men, we'll be happy to knock them down for you, but you'll end up looking a little foolish. Stop trying to make the arguments fit the end-game, and have the same conversation the rest of us are, ok? (And the next assertion you shouldn't make is that I'm saying governments are perfect, or even better than private corporations *IN GENERAL*; we're talking about a very specific commons, with a very specific set of requirements that are not well served by proprietary profit-making corporations.) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274

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Cable Company Network Upgrade
by Toney Mareo 21 Jul '14

21 Jul '14

Hello, I working on a plan about improving/upgrading a Euro-DOCSIS3 based cable network with the following requirements (very briefly): -20 CMTS-es on different locations needs to be connected to the network All of these locations currently connecting to the internet through 1Gbit/s link through a single internet provider, I have to upgrade them to be able to connect to at least 2 but ideally 3 ISPs at the same time and use their links for failover (do bgp peering as well). What type of *budget* routers would you recommend to use for this purpose if cisco is not an option (the company doesn't want to buy cisco equipment)? If you can please give me exact model numbers. The company has over 35K customers at the moment which use various cable modems on different areas (docsis1-3). In the future this network has to be able to provide, max 240Mb download/30 Mb upload speed per customer. I also have to give them a proposal about what type of docsis3 cable modems should they buy in the future. And in addition they need some ABR video streaming solution. I know it's a very brief statement and I left out a lot details, so any hw suggestions are more than welcome. Have a nice day folks!

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Re: Net Neutrality...
by Larry Sheldon 20 Jul '14

20 Jul '14

On 7/20/2014 11:08 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > >> An LED screen doesn't refresh the way a CRT does, right? The light >> doesn't flash and fade, it stays constant until the next change. So >> why would a 30 hz refresh rate make any difference at all for tasks >> which update the screen less often than 30 times a second? Mike did >> say he used it for doing software development. > > You are absolutely correct Bill, however, > >> Movies were shot at 24fps and TV shows at 30fps (60 interlaced), so >> I'm not sure where the harm would be there either. > > In order to create a perception of movement, the images need to have "no image" between them. 24 frame progressive (such as a movie theatre from real film) is usually projected as 48 frames using double shutters. It is the "blank/dark/no image" parts between the images that create the perception of movement in the brain. For a scanning display (CRT) this is automatic -- the persistence of each display frame is timed such that it only persists for one half a scan (which is why if you take a picture of a CRT displaying an image with a camera with a shutter speed faster than the refresh rate, you see a rolling black bar). The "blank/black" frames are created automatically. > > LCD displays, however, do not have these blank frames between the actual frames, which is why they do not create the appearance of motion correctly. Most LCD display devices, however, have a refresh rate of 60 Hz (some are higher). When fed with a 30p signal, the display electronics should display blackness for every other 60p image. If you send a 60 Hz display a 60p signal, however, it will not have smooth motion. > > LCD's designed to display moving pictures (ie, TVs) will run at even higher refresh rates (120 Hz for example) which allows a 60p display with proper blanking. In some cases the motion vectors are calculated and only the "moving bits" are blanked (or in some cases displayed as a complement image). Devices with even higher refresh rates do even more esoteric computations to determine the interstitial frames to create a proper perception of motion by the brain. > > Each manufacturer uses their own proprietary algorithms to determine what to actually display -- some better some worse. Some even use a "scanning backlight" which makes the LCD display "emulate" the scanning behaviour of a CRT display allowing for a CRT-like creation of motion. > > Now, back to regularly scheduled programming.... Like TV--time for a potty break. Really interesting read--lotta stuff I didn't know. It is a good day. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Rackspace (AS36248) peering contact
by Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr 20 Jul '14

20 Jul '14

Hi, Can someone from Rackspace hosting peering team get in touch with me ? No peeringDB page or contacts easily available. Thanks. -- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR

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BGP Session
by Abuse Contact 20 Jul '14

20 Jul '14

Hi, So I just purchased a Dedicated server from this one company and I have a /24 IPv4 block that I bought from a company on WebHostingTalk, but I am clueless on how to setup the /24 IPv4 block using the BGP Session. I want to set it up to run through their network as if it was one of their IPs, etc. I keep seeing things like iBGP (which I think means like a inner routing BGP) and eBGP (what I'm talking about??) but I have no idea how to set those up or which one I would need. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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