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Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)
by McElearney, Kevin 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

On 7/28/14, 5:35 PM, "Jim Richardson" <weaselkeeper(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said >eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown, >that's life. But if <$IP_PROVIDER> throttles it specifically, rather >than throttling me to (x),I consider that fraud. > >I didn't pay for (x) bits/sec from some whitelist of sources only. Along with paying <$IP_PROVIDER> for (x) bits/sec up/down, you are also paying (or the product of advertising) eyecandysource to deliver a service (w/ a level of quality). <$IP_PROVIDER> plays a big role in delivering your *overall* Internet experience, but eyecandysource plays an even bigger role delivering your *specific* eyecandy experience. If eyecandystore has internal challenges, business negotiation/policy objectives, or uses poor adaptive routing path decisions, this has a direct and material impact to your *specific* eyecandy experience (and some have found fixable by hiding your source IP with a VPN). While ISPs do play a big role in this, people tend to miss eyecandystore decisions (and business drivers) as a potential factors in isolated application performance issues.

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Call for Presentations :: DNS-OARC Fall Workshop 2014
by Mehmet Akcin 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

NANOG, apologies if you have already seen this in a different list. DNS-OARC Fall Workshop 2014 Los Angeles, California, USA Schedule OARC meeting October 11-13 Program announcement August 29th (six weeks before the meeting) Submission deadline August 15th Call for Papers July 20th Meeting announcement July 20th Official announcement proposed text, feel free to edit Call for Presentations Next OARC Fall Workshop will take place in Los Angeles, California, USA on October 11th to the 13th, the weekend before ICANN51. On Monday October 13th there will be a joint session with ICANN Tech Day. OARC is requesting proposals for presentations, with a preference for DNS data analysis tools and techniques. This workshop continues OARC's tradition of having meetings include a strong operational component. Presentations from DNS operators are particularly welcome. We'll also gladly accept talks from DNS researchers, as well as any other DNS-related subjects such as tools, visualizations, DNSSEC and novel uses of the DNS. If you are an OARC member, and have a sensitive topic you would like to present for members-only, we will accommodate those talks too. Adopting practice from other conferences, a section of lighting talks will be available for short presentations. Workshop Milestones • 20 July 2014, Call for Presentations posted • 21 July 2014, Open for submissions • 15 August 2014, Deadline for submission • 29 August 2014, Final Program published • 9 October 2014, Final deadline for slideset submission Details for abstract submission will be published here: https://indico.dns-oarc.net/event/workshop-2014-10 The workshop will be organized on different tracks, depending on the topics. On Sunday October 12th we will have the more in depth technical presentations, and on Monday October 13th presentations that can benefit from a larger and broader audience. If you consider submitting a presentation, please let the Programme Committee know for which track in advance to help us organize the presentations tracks. You can contact the Programme Committee: https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/programme via (submissions(a)dns-oarc.net) if you have questions or concerns. Mehmet Akcin, for the OARC Program Committee (Please note that OARC is run on a non-profit basis, and is not in a position to reimburse expenses or time for speakers at its meetings.)

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SHDSL / Copper Loop testing
by Mike 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

Howdy, I'm looking for reccomendations for a copper-loop test set that can effectively troubleshoot SHDSL. I'm looking for more than 'yup, I got sync' - it would be very helpful to be able to see noise/interference as well as calculate loop length, check bridge taps, and any other kind of metallic testing that would help to identify and isolate loop troubles. Thank you. Mike-

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FTTH and DSLAM Access Vendors
by Colton Conor 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

I am looking for comparisons between the following FTTH GPON and VDSL2 access platforms. Has anyone recently compared the capabilities of each of these platforms? Alcatel-Lucent 7360 ISAM Adtran Total Access 5000 Calix E7 Cisco ME4600 Huawei MA5600T Zhone MXK They all look great on paper, but there has to be some key differences other than price. Besides the vendors listed above, is there anyone else in this market?

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Best practice for BGP session/ full routes for customer
by Anurag Bhatia 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

Hello everyone! I have quick question on how you provide full BGP table to downstream customers? Most of large networks have few border routers ("Internet gateways") which get full table feed and then they have "Access routers" on which customers are terminated. Now I don't think it makes sense to push full routing table on the "access routers" and simply their default points to border routers. In this scenario what is best practice for giving full table to downstream? 1. Having multi-hop BGP session with a loopback on "border router" for injecting full table in customer router and another BGP session with access router for receiving routes? (messy!) 2. Injecting full table in just all access routers so that it can be provided whenever needed? 3. Any other? Thanks in advance! -- Anurag Bhatia anuragbhatia.com Linkedin <http://in.linkedin.com/in/anuragbhatia21> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/anurag_bhatia> Skype: anuragbhatia.com PGP Key Fingerprint: 3115 677D 2E94 B696 651B 870C C06D D524 245E 58E2

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Re: [OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins
by Scott Weeks 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

--- sean(a)donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151142.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/network-and-comp… -------------------------------------------------- As is usual, you come up with the coolest data on stuff. This http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/sw151142.png "Annual Mean Wage of Network and Computer Systems Administrators by State, May 2013" is surprising, though. The numbers are much lower than I would expect. scott

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Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
by Jay Ashworth 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

Here's a link to a post from VZN's public policy blog, about Netflix. Now, just as a matter of principle, I tend to assume that anything VZN says in public is a self-serving lie based on a poor understanding of the Real World... but I did in fact read it. Yup. The money quote: One might wonder why Netflix and its transit providers were the only ones that ran into congestion issues. What it boils down to is this: these other transit and content providers took steps to ensure that there was adequate capacity for their traffic to enter our network. "their traffic". What, Verizon: Netflix is just sending you that traffic uninvited? No: that's *your customers traffic*. You *knew* that there would be asymmetrical amounts of traffic flowing downhill to your customers, *or you wouldn't have provisioned nearly uniformly asymmetrical last mile links to them*. You just lost the bet on how much traffic that would be. That's why they call it gambling: sometimes you lose. You lost. Man up and provision usable peering. That traffic is your responsiblity. If you decided not to charge your customers enough to provision for it, take it out of retained earnings. Just don't try to convince us all that, somehow, that traffic flow isn't your customers traffic, and thus yours. Netflix's only fault is being popular. http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/why-is-netflix-buffering-dispell… Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274

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[OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins
by Nolan Rollo 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

I've been trying to decide for a while what makes a good home for a Network Admin... access to physical, reliable upstream routes? good selection of local taverns? What, in your opinion, makes a good location for a Network Admin and where in the US would you find that? Also, I'd like to introduce myself [[ o/ ]] I've been watching the list for a while now and have found it helpful with picking up some "best practices", getting use-case scenarios you might not see in text books. I attended Michigan Tech for Computer Networking and System Administration and have been bouncing around for a couple of years trying to find my calling. I've been working a lot with VoIP and that's been my interest ever since middle school. I've been mainly playing with stub networks for most of my life but have recently started working with larger routed networks, leading me to subscribe to the NANOG list. My latest endeavor was acquiring and ASN and a /24 from ARIN and multihoming a very small MSP. I've been fortunate enough to have really sharp mentors to help answer any questions I've had along the way. I know there must be quite a few people like myself that are lurking on the list and I just wanted to thank you guys for answering other questions and providing input on topics that have come through the list. TL;DR: Hi, see subject

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Re: [OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins
by Scott Weeks 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

--- Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:52:05 -0400, Miles Fidelman said: > Still DC is a nice place to live. Depends on your definition of "nice". I'm perfectly OK with the fact that when I look out the window here in my office, the skyline is mostly National Forest. Not many places in DC have that going for them.... ------------------------------------------------- Just for fun... Nice is indeed subjective. We have crap for restaurants for the most part, the only "mall" here is tiny, traffic is terrible and everything is expensive, so we go do free stuff like: hiking http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~iacob/photos/Kauai/napali05.jpg http://www.world-of-waterfalls.com/images/Hanakoa_060L.jpg and surfing http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/db/ca/ff/dbcaff7ecc0504a9278e2b804cd… scott One day, hopefully, telecommuting really takes off, I can actually sound intelligent in an interview (I do worse than geek-attempting-to-ask-a-girl-out-for-a-date) and I get to do the job I want from here instead of struggling through what I do for work. You gain some; you lose some.

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Re: [OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins
by Scott Weeks 26 Jul '14

26 Jul '14

--- mike(a)mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas <mike(a)mtcc.com> Maybe the webrtc stuff will help this by making ad hoc communication trivial --------------------------------------------- Some work from home well and some don't. It all depends on self-discipline. However, for those that can telecommute successfully (I've done that in the past, so I have experience to speak from) easy communication of various types (text, audio, or a/v when needed) with team members is crucial. scott

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