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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Table Analysis 13 May '05

13 May '05

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 14 May, 2005 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 162108 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 94259 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 78235 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 19652 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 17086 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 8015 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2566 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 71 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.5 Max AS path length visible: 23 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 14 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 33 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1391460672 Equivalent to 82 /8s, 240 /16s and 1 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 37.5 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 58.9 Percentage of available address space allocated: 63.7 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 76090 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 33164 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 15592 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 31094 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 15795 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2265 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 664 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 342 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.4 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 182890112 Equivalent to 10 /8s, 230 /16s and 174 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 67.9 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7, 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 87932 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 53612 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 68656 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 25198 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 9936 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3619 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 944 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 4.3 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 23 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 247977984 Equivalent to 14 /8s, 199 /16s and 216 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 70.4 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/6, 68/7, 70/6, 198/7, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 30781 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 21276 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 27830 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 18584 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 6644 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3500 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1119 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 5.2 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 23 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 205021632 Equivalent to 12 /8s, 56 /16s and 97 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 71.9 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 80/5, 88/8, 188/8, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 8623 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 3013 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 7049 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 4101 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 617 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 196 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 114 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 5.2 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 23 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 18751744 Equivalent to 1 /8s, 30 /16s and 33 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 55.9 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 200/7 AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 1588 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 766 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 972 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 773 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 124 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 36 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 14 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.6 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 13 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 2272256 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 34 /16s and 172 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 6.8 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4134 906 5136 185 CHINANET-BACKBONE 1221 757 1182 543 Telstra Pty Ltd 9583 735 54 75 Sify Limited 4755 590 244 123 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 4766 590 3413 279 Korea Telecom (KIX) 7545 495 88 72 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 17676 431 6509 73 Softbank BB Corp. 9443 370 77 76 Primus Telecommunications 9929 360 197 46 China Netcom Corp. 2907 345 1838 319 SINET Japan 10036 317 29 286 C&M Communication Co. Ltd. 17557 311 22 149 Pakistan Telecom 4808 309 251 169 CNCGROUP IP network: China169 7474 303 270 208 SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 9498 296 83 59 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 4802 281 47 166 Wantree Development 17974 258 65 14 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 703 255 277 210 UUNET - Commercial IP service 2764 253 238 198 AAPT Limited 18302 247 75 141 SK Global co., Ltd ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1489 6486 953 AT&T WorldNet Services 174 1179 5611 1009 Cogent Communications 721 1115 21755 312 DLA Systems Automation Center 4323 1105 648 218 Time Warner Telecom 701 1004 8233 856 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 6197 905 378 461 BellSouth Network Solutions, 1239 899 2869 651 Sprint 2386 853 533 633 AT&T Data Communications Serv 18566 806 224 7 Covad Communications 209 655 3521 495 Qwest 20115 594 503 312 Charter Communications 3356 578 10833 436 Level 3 Communications, LLC 27364 565 43 18 Armstrong Cable Services 3561 537 2400 421 Savvis 852 531 1095 391 Telus Advanced Communications 3602 513 122 97 Sprint Canada, Inc. 5668 487 115 25 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 22773 483 1188 21 Cox Communications, Inc. 6198 465 382 219 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7725 449 60 15 MediaOne RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 596 2003 488 UUNET - Commercial IP service 3320 303 3233 237 Deutsche Telekom AG 3301 292 1084 281 TeliaNet Sweden 8220 272 469 266 COLT Telecommunications 680 253 2041 238 DFN-IP service G-WiN 3246 232 491 227 Song Networks 8708 229 252 212 Romania Data Systems S.A. 1257 200 728 176 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 5515 178 778 128 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 786 176 1794 176 The JANET IP Service 6746 165 47 144 Dynamic Network Technologies, 3269 164 1488 69 TELECOM ITALIA 8866 164 21 11 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 5400 161 285 135 BT Ignite European Backbone 719 159 340 101 LANLINK autonomous system 3300 155 185 88 AUCS Communications Services 25186 138 137 98 France Telecom Transpac's Tra 6830 137 513 27 UPC Distribution Services 9051 128 8 34 INCONET Autonomous System 2856 127 2304 115 BTnet UK Regional network LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 373 598 147 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 16814 266 16 7 NSS, S.A. 11172 225 99 54 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 6147 177 102 20 Telefonica Del Peru 11664 153 19 22 Keytech SA 7303 148 68 21 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 14117 136 9 5 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 6505 131 90 88 Global One Communicaoes Ltda 22047 131 96 6 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 19632 119 14 5 Metropolis Intercom S.A. 13999 112 52 9 Mega Cable S.A. de C.V. 11556 111 55 7 Cable-Wireless Panama 18822 105 7 15 TELEFONICA MANQUEHUE 6503 103 146 73 AVANTEL, S.A. 19169 99 6 16 Telconet 10481 98 40 7 Prima S.A. 21826 92 12 18 INTERCABLE 22927 92 65 22 TELEFONICA DE ARGENTINA 11311 89 8 18 Sinectis S.A. 23216 89 24 23 RAMtelecom Telecomunicaciones AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 270 637 225 The Internet Solution 5536 119 15 17 Internet Egypt Network 20928 93 16 2 Noor Advanced Technologies AS 2018 90 295 86 Tertiary Education Network 2905 74 266 68 The Internetworking Company o 8452 71 28 6 TEDATA 24835 63 34 6 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 9129 44 3 3 UUNET Kenya 12455 39 6 3 Jambonet Autonomous system 5713 36 142 29 Telkom SA Ltd 6713 35 54 9 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 15706 31 8 3 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 2609 26 26 3 Tunisia BackBone AS 8524 25 1 4 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 15475 24 84 4 Nile Online 16637 22 10 19 Johnnic e-Ventures 10798 19 1 11 Standard Bank of South Africa 33765 19 3 8 TANZANIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS C 7460 17 3 5 LIA Internet Access 12258 17 3 11 Vodacom Internet Company Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 4323 1105 887 Time Warner Telecom 721 1115 803 DLA Systems Automation Center 18566 806 799 Covad Communications 4134 906 721 CHINANET-BACKBONE 9583 735 660 Sify Limited 27364 565 547 Armstrong Cable Services 4755 590 467 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 5668 487 462 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 22773 483 462 Cox Communications, Inc. 6197 905 444 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7725 449 434 MediaOne 7545 495 423 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 3602 513 416 Sprint Canada, Inc. 6467 419 384 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 17676 431 358 Softbank BB Corp. 6140 402 329 ImpSat 9929 360 314 China Netcom Corp. 4766 590 311 Korea Telecom (KIX) 9443 370 294 Primus Telecommunications 6478 415 289 AT&T Worldnet Services List of Unregistered ASNs (Global) ---------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 65050 PRIVATE 168.96.148.0/24 6140 ImpSat 65004 PRIVATE 200.0.113.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.0.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.1.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.2.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.3.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.4.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.5.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.6.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 64512 PRIVATE 200.61.32.0/23 11664 Keytech SA 64512 PRIVATE 200.61.48.0/20 11664 Keytech SA 65005 PRIVATE 203.200.197.0/24 4755 Videsh Sanchar Nigam 65444 PRIVATE 212.25.125.0/24 8551 Bezeq International 65529 PRIVATE 216.21.199.0/24 14697 VDot.Net Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 172.1.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.2.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.3.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.4.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.5.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.6.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.7.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.8.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.9.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.10.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.11.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.12.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.13.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.14.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.15.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.32.0.0/24 7011 Citizens Utilities 172.50.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.51.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.52.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.74.0.0/16 12956 Telefonica Data Autonomous Sy 172.122.28.0/24 210 Utah Education Network 192.43.230.0/24 7575 Australian Academic and Rease 192.44.0.0/24 5501 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.84.205.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.119.135.0/24 270 NASA 192.135.50.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.200.100.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:18 /9:3 /10:8 /11:15 /12:70 /13:156 /14:306 /15:599 /16:8407 /17:2550 /18:4377 /19:10319 /20:11111 /21:9001 /22:12466 /23:13410 /24:88429 /25:279 /26:242 /27:136 /28:67 /29:38 /30:71 /31:0 /32:30 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 18566 790 806 Covad Communications 6197 744 905 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7018 677 1489 AT&T WorldNet Services 2386 603 853 AT&T Data Communications Serv 27364 556 565 Armstrong Cable Services 9583 551 735 Sify Limited 4323 523 1105 Time Warner Telecom 7725 422 449 MediaOne 4766 407 590 Korea Telecom (KIX) 5668 402 487 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 1239 378 899 Sprint 702 368 596 UUNET - Commercial IP service 6198 342 465 BellSouth Network Solutions, 10036 317 317 C&M Communication Co. Ltd. 6467 300 419 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 6517 300 323 Yipes Communications, Inc. 7011 298 348 Citizens Utilities 9929 281 360 China Netcom Corp. 11456 278 319 Carolina Online, Inc. 15270 259 279 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:3 8:13 12:1531 13:1 15:9 16:2 17:3 18:4 20:4 24:1123 30:2 32:69 33:4 38:114 40:53 44:3 47:2 52:4 55:2 56:3 57:21 58:47 59:32 60:33 61:796 62:609 63:1881 64:2717 65:2072 66:2850 67:577 68:528 69:1014 70:105 71:17 72:175 80:570 81:549 82:404 83:263 84:178 85:194 86:9 128:152 129:160 130:82 131:277 132:35 133:1 134:148 135:40 136:189 137:65 138:169 139:57 140:191 141:105 142:153 143:142 144:182 145:33 146:281 147:108 148:291 149:165 150:97 151:65 152:106 153:86 154:5 155:144 156:78 157:92 158:161 159:174 160:77 161:65 162:203 163:82 164:207 165:175 166:154 167:233 168:423 169:140 170:315 171:8 172:2 192:5705 193:3199 194:2361 195:1558 196:655 198:3935 199:3277 200:3907 201:128 202:5554 203:6178 204:3822 205:2016 206:2476 207:2786 208:2064 209:3294 210:1689 211:829 212:1142 213:1281 214:266 215:31 216:3439 217:1133 218:198 219:105 220:377 221:214 222:102 End of report

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Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
by Joe Loiacono 13 May '05

13 May '05

So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless. Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different) What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters into use yet. I see it as a really pent-up capability that, in light of broadband video, etc., is just going to have to break wide open soon. Joe Ross Hosman <rosshosman To: Steve Sobol <sjsobol(a)JustThe.net>, Fred Heutte <aoxomoxoa(a)sunlightdata.com> @yahoo.com> cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent by: Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years? owner-nanog 05/12/2005 02:16 PM Not pointing any fingers but many of you think these small ISP's are just going to die off instead of adapt. Wireless is becoming a better and more reliable technology that in the future will be able to provide faster service then FTTH. I know of atleast one small ISP in Michigan that went from dial-up to deploying wireless. With WiMAX coming out I think you will see a number of smaller ISPs switching to it as a service. It is also much cheaper to deploy a wireless network. Me personally, I think wireless is the future for residential internet/tv/phone. Ross Hosman Charter Communcations --- Steve Sobol <sjsobol(a)JustThe.net> wrote: > > Fred Heutte wrote: > > (1) There will be a market for independent ISPs as > long CLECs > > I think a more appropriate term would be ALEC > > (anti-competitive local exchange carrier) > > ...That having been said, the problem with the small > guys providing access is > they can't generally achieve the economies of scale > that allow them to compete > with the big guys. > > I'm on a Charter cablemodem, 3mbps down x 256kbps > up, $39.95/month. Verizon is > building out FTTH in this area and they're going to > be offering 5x2 for $39.95 > or 10x5 for $49.95, IIRC. Those are all residential > prices, but Charter's > actually pretty competitive on business rates too. > > And yes, there are people who value service over > price, but the price > differential is only going to get worse. > > > -- > JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ > - 888.480.4NET (4638) > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / > sjsobol(a)JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED > > "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free" > --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle" >

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PGP Key Signing at NANOG 34
by Joe Abley 13 May '05

13 May '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In Seattle, we are going to try to replace the single/long/tedious PGP key-signing event on Monday evening (which invariably clashes with the NSP-SEC BOF, or with dinner, or with sleep, or with accidental loss of sobriety) with a series of small key-signing parties, held in the last 10-15 minutes of every break on Monday and Tuesday. The thinking behind this will be described in a brief presentation on Monday morning. More details can be found here: <http://www.nanog.org/pgp.abley.html> Briefly, if you would like to participate: 1. Paste your public key into the convenient form at <http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?keyring=2230>, and 2. Visit the terminal room during one of the meeting breaks, armed with a pen, photo ID and a trusted copy of your PGP key fingerprint. I'll be printing out one set of fingerprint sheets per day, so make sure your key is submitted the day before the key signing party you plan to attend. If you don't know much about PGP, and you'd like to participate, try to plan to attend a key signing party on Monday in order to get a feel for what is going on -- it should then be straightforward to hook up with someone who can help you install/configure PGP software, and you can then plan to attend one of the key-signing parties the following day. I will attend all the parties, and will sign every key I can verify, and will hence act as a trust-bridge between individual key signing parties. It would be excellent if one or two other people who have enthusiasm for useful PGP deployment could find the time to do the same. Drop me a note off-list if you're interested in helping out. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFChMcJ/f+PWOTbRPIRAiqMAKCHTlSvS+N0Q30TRJKt7q0pUS1uRQCfWPWE P7/tzVJXi+UdHiRXlJAKolE= =LJco -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
by Frank Coluccio 13 May '05

13 May '05

Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >there's going to be *plenty* of room for small >flexible operators in niche markets, at both >ends of the pipe. Agreed. Adding some substance to those words, see: http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21312808 Frank A. Coluccio DTI Consulting --------- On Fri May 13 9:03 , Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu sent: >On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:23:14 BST, Michael.Dillon(a)radianz.com said: > >> Their impact can't be measured because it spread out into niche >> markets. Like blogs and wikis and all those photo sites. >> And my company's network with 1,000 customers and PoPs in >> 20 countries all doing 100% ASP traffic. ASPs businesses are >> thriving. However, the crystal ball gazers who hyped them >> back in the late 90's just got it all wrong because they >> thought ASPs would displace MS-Office desktops and SAP >> installations. > >Exactly what *I* predicted - there's going to be *plenty* of room for >small flexible operators in niche markets, at both ends of the pipe. > >In fact, there's almost certainly money to be made by leveraging the fact that >Comcast wants to do 4M/384K/$25 - the number of companies making money from >finding innovative ways to sell you electricity is *far* outweighed by the >number of companies finding new ways to make money based on the fact that >somebody *else* is selling you electricity. > >The only people who need to worry are the ones whos business model is "We made >money selling 'just pipes' in that market 5 years ago, and we're doing it now, >so it will still be OK 5-10 years from now". 98% of *those* companies are in >for a rude awakening. ;) >

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RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
by Matt Bazan 13 May '05

13 May '05

bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey solutions for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely configurable to meet the latest trends and needs. there will be no use for the small time 'innovator' or 'player' except in a purely academic environment. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On > Behalf Of Mark D. Bodley > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:44 PM > To: 'Stephen J. Wilcox'; Matt Bazan > Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be > doing in a few years? > > > > Matt, your questions seem extremely prejudiced to a > determined outcome. In my opinion resellers are in the long > run going to lose because of lack of tangible assets (there > is my Bias, on the table. I have my own facilities, and > equipment). However because pure resellers lack the > facilities they can be resellers(and often are) of whatever > the technology of the day is. Strangely, many resellers, grow > into facilities based carriers, but if they do not, then they > can always move to the next thing. If you sold ISDN, in the > 90's, and you knew how to walk someone through configuring > their pipeline, you were better than Bell (read PSI Net). If > you could accurately test, and deliver DSL, to a client 3-5 > years ago, (read COVAD) you were better than Bell. In the > future, who knows what it will be, (my bet is wireless, and > we all cook like chickens in a Showtime rotisserie) the > prevailing trait of those that have been in this for a long > time is adaptation. There was a day when selling access off > an ISDN connection was doable. I got out of the straight > access market in the late 90's. I provide, and resell > connectivity, with static routes to applications I host, or > maintain. Hopefully the straight resellers of today will be > selling microwave, or implant connectivity, or whatever in a > few years. Bottom-line public or not, Mom, and Pop, or not no > matter what you do in this business you have to be ready to > adapt. If you are huge and don't catch the next wave you > could be just as dead as the smaller guys that don't catch that next > wave. > > > Mark D. Bodley > President > Cyrix Systems > m(a)cyrixsys.com > www.cyrixsys.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On > Behalf Of Stephen J. Wilcox > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:12 PM > To: Matt Bazan > Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be > doing in a few years? > > > On Wed, 11 May 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: > > > why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private > > reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for > $25? think > > you dsl resellers out there are doomed. in fact, just a matter of > > time before most of you isps are down the toilet. im > reminded of the > > mom and pop grocery store phenomenon that has now been > replaced by the > > kohls, a&p, whole foods etc. of course there will always be niche > > markets but this is less applicable for a pure commodity like > > bandwidth. yeah, i suppose you'll say something about value added > > services and such and you may have a point but i doubt that > will keep the > ship afloat for long. > > Matt, > first whats your affiliation and experience in this arena? That these > markets exist and more profitably so than the large carriers > suggest the > problems you are raising dont exist. > > What is your theory based on, you only cite your personal > preference to buy > from Comcast which cannot be said to be indicative of the > market. Grocery > stores are not comparable, this is a different industry and different > market. Also bandwidth is not a pure commodity, and DSL is not pure > bandwidth. > > I think your argument is at best uninformed, at worst > non-existent.. you > need to provide some references, examples, figures, > whatever.. else this is > little more than trolling. > > Steve > > > >

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 13 May '05

13 May '05

This report has been generated at Fri May 13 21:44:55 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 06-05-05 157716 108341 07-05-05 157747 108272 08-05-05 157845 108355 09-05-05 157874 107939 10-05-05 157991 107998 11-05-05 158104 108225 12-05-05 158263 108345 13-05-05 158437 108294 AS Summary 19548 Number of ASes in routing system 8018 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1475 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 90463488 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 13May05 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 158472 108345 50127 31.6% All ASes AS4323 1099 221 878 79.9% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom AS18566 806 8 798 99.0% COVAD - Covad Communications AS4134 894 220 674 75.4% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS721 1113 562 551 49.5% DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center AS27364 565 22 543 96.1% ACS-INTERNET - Armstrong Cable Services AS7018 1475 941 534 36.2% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS22773 483 23 460 95.2% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS7725 449 50 399 88.9% CCH-AS7 - Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc AS6197 901 513 388 43.1% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS3602 513 142 371 72.3% SPRINT-CA-AS - Sprint Canada Inc. AS17676 431 78 353 81.9% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS9929 349 46 303 86.8% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS4766 575 280 295 51.3% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS6478 415 126 289 69.6% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS6140 401 138 263 65.6% IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat AS14654 266 6 260 97.7% WAYPORT - Wayport AS9443 374 123 251 67.1% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS1239 893 650 243 27.2% SPRINTLINK - Sprint AS7545 493 252 241 48.9% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS23126 254 18 236 92.9% KMCTELCOM-DIA - KMC Telecom, Inc. AS15270 272 38 234 86.0% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS9583 733 501 232 31.7% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS6198 464 236 228 49.1% BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS5668 487 262 225 46.2% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS2386 851 633 218 25.6% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS9498 297 79 218 73.4% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS11456 318 109 209 65.7% NUVOX - NuVox Communications, Inc. AS6167 264 67 197 74.6% CELLCO-PART - Cellco Partnership AS6517 321 128 193 60.1% YIPESCOM - Yipes Communications, Inc. AS812 209 21 188 90.0% ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable Inc. Total 16965 6493 10472 61.7% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 172.1.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.2.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.3.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.4.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.5.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.6.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.7.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.8.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.9.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.10.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.11.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.12.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.13.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.14.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.15.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.32.0.0/24 AS7011 CITLINK - Citizens Utilities 172.50.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.51.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.52.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.74.0.0/16 AS12956 TELEFONICA Telefonica Backbone Autonomous System 172.122.28.0/24 AS210 WEST-NET-WEST - Utah Education Network 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.44.0.0/24 AS5501 FRAUNHOFER-CLUSTER-BW Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS - National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.53.0/24 AS8346 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.200.100.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 196.3.162.0/24 AS6083 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS - Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 LANT-AFLOAT - Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET - Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET - CityNet, Inc. 198.160.171.0/24 AS7046 UUNET-CUSTOMER - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM - GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS - Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS - Skotos Tech, Inc 199.9.128.0/17 AS668 ASN-ASNET-NET-AS - Defense Research and Engineering Network 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS - University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NETWORKS-US - 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NETWORKS-US - 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.153.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET - NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS - IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.86.252.0/22 AS4748 RESOLINK-AS Resources Linke Network Limited 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 TELEONE-HK TeleTeleOne (HK) Limited 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.99.0.0/19 AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet 203.99.142.0/24 AS9826 ILINK-HK-AP iLink.net Ltd 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.48.118.0/23 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.48.119.0/24 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBIT - Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.108.96.0/19 AS577 BACOM - Bell Advanced Communications Inc. 206.128.104.0/21 AS11709 VIC - VIRTUAL INTERACTIVE CENTER 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS - Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.191.96.0/19 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc 208.53.224.0/19 AS13576 SDNET - SOUTH DAKOTA NETWORK 208.138.48.0/20 AS7955 SOURCENET - SourceNet Corporation 209.134.0.0/18 AS8082 WORLDSITE - Worldsite Networks 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC - Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL - Telesat International Ltd. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM - SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERNET-ASN-BLOCK - California Education and Research Federation Network 216.82.160.0/20 AS13823 CALYX-USA - Calyx Internet Access Corp. 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JVLNET - JVLNET Internet Services 216.171.96.0/20 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.194.112.0/20 AS29738 UVNET-ASN1 - UVNET 216.194.113.0/24 AS29738 UVNET-ASN1 - UVNET 216.228.64.0/21 AS6295 WHIDBEY1 - Whidbey Internet Services Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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Subject : RE: ACL Monitoring
by J. Oquendo 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Thu, 12 May 2005, Glynn Stanton wrote: > > > If you anticipate doing a lot of this kind of monitoring in the future you > may want to take a look at the "expect" programming language > http://expect.nist.gov/ , which has very simple "send"/"expect" constructs. > E.g. send "show acl 101/r" expect "access-list .." etc. Perl also allows > similar although is probably not quite as easy to pick up if you've never > done this kind of thing before. > > Essentially you'd write a quick script to telnet or ssh to the router "send" > your commands, expect a result and do something based on that result. As I > said, its worth the time investment and you'll find once you get the script > done you can just reuse it for many other tasks. Kind of silly to state using an expect script or any other "script" for that matter considering the assumption that, it seems he is not trusting someone (as mentioned in another post), so I would take it that this script would run from where? Not only that, you would go through hell configuring encrypting the password on an expect script for the script to decrypt, then send. Now, not only that, but then what? How would you configure it to monitor something say in real time? You would likely have to use the diff and grep commands for parsing, and a whole bunch of other things to get it to just monitor a change, not a guarantee you will find out who changed it without some major scripting as opposed to using accounting ala TACACS+ spawn ssh username(a)router.company.org.net.whatever expect "Password: " send "secret\r" expect "something" send "something\r" expect $RESPONSE_FROM_ROUTER spawn $WHAT_DO_YOU_SPAWN_TO_COPY_WHAT_YOU_SEE Expect would be worthless in my opinion. Why reinvent the "kick their asses to accounting mode" wheel. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x0D99C05C http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x0D99C05C sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How a man plays the game shows something of his character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey

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RE: ACL Monitoring
by Jim McBurnett 13 May '05

13 May '05

Paul, I think a better solution maybe to implement TACACS+ and resrict rights on who can do that.. Sounds like you don't trust someone..... I'd try that first... Later, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ryan [mailto:pryan@rogers.wave.ca] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:15 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: ACL Monitoring Importance: High All - I am looking for a solution (open source, scripts) to allow me to monitor ACL's on Cisco routers. So if for example a line dissapears from an ACL or the entire ACL is removed - I am alerted via pager/e-mail etc. regards, Paul R

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ACL Monitoring
by Paul Ryan 13 May '05

13 May '05

All - I am looking for a solution (open source, scripts) to allow me to monitor ACL's on Cisco routers. So if for example a line dissapears from an ACL or the entire ACL is removed - I am alerted via pager/e-mail etc. regards, Paul R

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Windows OneCare: managed support for unmanaged PCs
by Sean Donelan 13 May '05

13 May '05

Microsoft is announcing a new subscription-based computer fix-it service to automatically patch security holes, virus, spyware and automate maintaining unmanaged PCs such as those found at home. Most importantly it includes live support calls as part of the subscription fee. http://news.com.com/Security+gripes+Microsoft+feels+your+pain/2100-7355_3-5… No pricing was announced, but historically the people who most need such a service are the least likely to pay for it.

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