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Re: VeriSign's rapid DNS updates in .com/.net
by Robert L Mathews 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

At 7/22/04 10:08 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: >the primary beneficiaries of this >new functionality are spammers and other malfeasants I think you're suggesting that such people will register domain names and use them right away (which may be true), and that the lack of a delay enables them to do things they couldn't otherwise do (which isn't). Plenty of spammers register lots of .com domain names and let them sit for a little while before using them; if you're a committed spammer, it's obviously trivial to just get three days ahead of the game. The policy change doesn't allow evildoers to do anything they couldn't already do with a tiny amount of forethought (or by registering a .biz, .org, .info or .us domain, for that matter). But the new policy does allow normal people to do something they couldn't otherwise do: have a working .com/.net Web site and e-mail in a few minutes. That's good for legitimate domain owner happiness. By far the number one question customers ask my (hosting) company when they sign up is "When will it start working?". It's almost embarrassing to tell these poor people "ahem... it probably won't work for a day or so, and it's a bit random -- your friends might find it works before you do, so please don't complain if that happens", etc. It's certainly true that a day's wait isn't the end of the world, but these people are anxious, and it is a source of confusion, bother and worry for them. I welcome the change. -- Robert L Mathews, Tiger Technologies http://www.tigertech.net/ "There are many who dare not kill themselves for fear of what the neighbours might say." -- Cyril Connolly

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RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul
by Michel Py 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

> Christopher Woodfield wrote: > In the interest of complicating things further, I think > you have NIU and smartjack backwards in your explanation You think, which is a good beginning. Seeing it with your own eyes might be of some interest, NTM that doing it for a living for 20+ years may give new an entire new outlook on it. For the entertainment of non-american readers, wannabes, and rookies I stopped by a T1 MPOE on my way home and took a few photos. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack1_lr.jpg These are smartjacks, RJ48. Two are connected (grey cable, on the right, going directly to the CSU/DSU). The red/violet pairs on the right come from the NIU. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack2_lr.jpg A little more detailed. As you can see, there is nothing smart about these, it's a glorified patch panel. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack3_lr.jpg >From a distance. The white punch blocks are called "66 blocks". http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack4_lr.jpg Sometimes the LEC does not install a smartjack, leaving the customer and/or contractor to punch it, which typically produces a smartjack like this :-) http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/niu1_lr.jpg A very common NIU with the Adtran modules. Each board is basically an HDSL "modem", has lights and can be looped. Also present an RS-232 port for configuring it with a laptop and the drop banana jacks to plug your BERT tester. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/niu2_lr.jpg Another variation of NIU, very common too. Both NIUs receive power from the telco. Here are the hires: http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack1_hr.jpg http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack2_hr.jpg http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack3_hr.jpg http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/smartjack4_hr.jpg http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/niu1_hr.jpg http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/photos/niu2_hr.jpg If I have time tomorrow I will post some pictures of an extended DS-3 demarc at a remote site. Michel.

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Table Analysis 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 24 Jul, 2004 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 142670 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 85520 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 68654 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 17645 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 15315 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 7166 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2330 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 72 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.8 Max AS path length visible: 26 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 9 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 19 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1304901856 Equivalent to 77 /8s, 199 /16s and 56 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 35.2 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 57.8 Percentage of available address space allocated: 60.9 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 65553 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 27454 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 13982 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 25658 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 14026 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2082 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 624 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 331 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.9 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 153526784 Equivalent to 9 /8s, 38 /16s and 162 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 70.1 APNIC AS Blocks 4608 - 4864, 7467 - 7722, 9216 - 10239 17408 - 18431, 23552 - 24575 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 202/7, 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 81511 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 49985 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 63255 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 22028 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 9329 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3339 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 914 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 4.6 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 18 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 227994656 Equivalent to 13 /8s, 150 /16s and 236 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 75.5 ARIN AS Blocks 1 - 1876, 1902 - 2042, 2044 - 2046, 2048 - 2106 2138 - 2584, 2615 - 2772, 2823 - 2829, 2880 - 3153 3354 - 4607, 4865 - 5119, 5632 - 6655, 6912 - 7466 7723 - 8191, 10240 - 12287, 13312 - 15359 16384 - 17407, 18432 - 20479, 21504 - 23551 25600 - 26591, 26624 - 27647, 29695 - 30719 31744 - 33791 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/6, 68/7, 70/8, 198/7, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 26378 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 18619 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 23173 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 15368 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 5688 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3071 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 973 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 5.4 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 26 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 167462080 Equivalent to 9 /8s, 251 /16s and 68 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 58.7 RIPE AS Blocks 1877 - 1901, 2043, 2047, 2107 - 2136, 2585 - 2614 2773 - 2822, 2830 - 2879, 3154 - 3353, 5377 - 5631 6656 - 6911, 8192 - 9215, 12288 - 13311, 15360 - 16383 20480 - 21503, 24576 - 25599, 28672 - 29695 30720 - 31743, 33792 - 34815 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 80/5, 88/8, 188/8, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 6115 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 2249 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 5805 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 3530 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 384 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 111 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 74 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 5.1 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 15371008 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 234 /16s and 139 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 45.8 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592 - 26623, 27648 - 28671 LACNIC Address Blocks 200/7 Emerging AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 1208 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 685 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 817 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 645 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 91 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 21 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 13 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.8 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 1903616 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 29 /16s and 12 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 11.3 AfriNIC AS Blocks <none> AfriNIC Address Blocks 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 1221 818 1056 589 Telstra Pty Ltd 4134 812 4096 150 Data Communications Bureau 4766 502 2895 265 Korea Internet Exchange for " 9583 486 39 109 Satyam Infoway Ltd., 4755 398 134 54 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 9443 353 69 78 Primus Telecommunications 2907 352 1840 326 SINET Japan 17676 341 5084 33 XTAGE CORPORATION 9929 329 159 31 China Netcom Corp. 17557 321 22 164 Pakistan Telecom 703 316 342 245 UUNET 2764 289 258 236 connect.com.au pty ltd 7474 267 269 205 Optus Communications Pty Ltd 9942 237 71 130 COMindico Australia 9800 225 369 62 CHINA UNICOM 4802 224 25 139 Wantree Development 9498 222 48 52 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 17633 203 54 8 ASN for Shandong Provincial N 10036 197 18 178 C&M Communication Co. Ltd. 4837 191 2019 105 chinanet IDC center beijing n ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1426 6874 993 AT&T 701 1312 8443 943 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 6347 952 391 122 SAVVIS Communications Corpora 1239 938 2871 623 Sprint 3356 888 10932 671 Level 3 Communications, LLC 4323 739 570 210 Time Warner Communications, I 18566 729 192 8 Covad Communications 6197 721 479 301 BellSouth Network Solutions, 209 614 3427 500 Qwest 721 569 20776 263 DLA Systems Automation Center 20115 566 376 291 Charter Communications 852 511 1142 399 Telus Advanced Communications 7843 511 669 127 Adelphia Corp. 7132 484 7880 366 Southwestern Bell Internet Se 6198 449 394 203 BellSouth Network Solutions, 2386 411 533 230 AT&T Data Communications Serv 22909 396 830 33 Comcast Cable Corporation 4355 391 323 101 EarthLink, Inc. 705 388 128 264 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 22773 387 774 58 Cox Communications, Inc. Atla RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 647 2038 539 UUNET - Commercial IP service 3320 300 2468 237 Deutsche Telekom AG 3301 281 1098 270 TeliaNet Sweden 8220 276 433 264 COLT Internet - International 680 244 2025 239 DFN-IP service G-WiN 1257 217 747 186 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 13083 216 51 8 Mannesmann Datenverarbeitung 3246 215 484 212 Song Networks 5515 200 842 146 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 8708 192 113 176 Romania Data Systems S.A. 3215 182 895 70 France Telecom Transpac 786 174 1794 174 The JANET IP Service 25186 172 156 114 France Telecom Transpac's Tra 6746 158 29 128 Dynamic Network Technologies, 719 150 288 102 LANLINK autonomous system 5400 146 207 121 BT Ignite European Backbone 3269 138 1131 63 TELECOM ITALIA 8866 133 15 14 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 3303 131 610 130 Swisscom Ltd 12302 128 18 32 MobiFon S.A. LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 11172 353 99 54 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 6140 334 140 65 ImpSat 8151 277 389 126 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 16814 203 13 7 NSS, S.A. 6147 185 86 20 Telefonica Del Peru 6505 134 90 92 Global One Communicaoes Ltda 6503 127 202 85 AVANTEL, S.A. 7303 120 55 18 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 11992 91 9 29 Integrated Systems 11556 87 57 24 Cable-Wireless Panama 6535 81 5 16 Chilesat Servicios Empresari 14420 81 5 31 ANDINATEL S.A. 11311 80 7 18 Sinectis S.A. 15311 75 19 37 Telefonica Empresas 14535 73 6 5 Techtel S.A. 5639 71 8 8 Telecommunications Services o 4270 70 18 9 Red de Interconexion Universi 10292 67 6 26 TELECOMMUNICATIONS OF JAMAICA 11340 67 5 36 Red Universitaria Nacional 14259 67 4 5 GTD Internet S.A. AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 252 632 219 The Internet Solution 5536 113 16 4 Internet Egypt Network 2018 94 297 92 Tertiary Education Network 2905 92 276 81 The Internetworking Company o 11845 42 9 11 Data Pro Business Online 20928 42 16 1 Noor Advanced Technologies AS 24835 31 18 6 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 16637 30 9 23 Johnnic e-Ventures 14988 28 16 1 Botswana Telecommunications C 9129 27 3 4 UUNET Kenya 6713 26 38 9 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 5713 25 125 23 Telkom SA Ltd 8524 24 2 7 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 12455 23 4 2 Jambonet Autonomous system 10798 18 1 12 Standard Bank of South Africa 12258 15 3 10 Vodacom Internet Company 15706 15 4 2 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 8346 13 6 12 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 17148 13 1 7 First National Bank 2609 12 26 4 Tunisia BackBone AS Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 6347 952 830 SAVVIS Communications Corpora 18566 729 721 Covad Communications 4134 812 662 Data Communications Bureau 4323 739 529 Time Warner Communications, I 6197 721 420 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7843 511 384 Adelphia Corp. 9583 486 377 Satyam Infoway Ltd., 701 1312 369 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 5668 383 365 Century Telephone 22909 396 363 Comcast Cable Corporation 4755 398 344 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 6467 369 336 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 27364 349 330 Armstrong Cable Services 22773 387 329 Cox Communications, Inc. Atla 1239 938 315 Sprint 17676 341 308 XTAGE CORPORATION 721 569 306 DLA Systems Automation Center 11172 353 299 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 9929 329 298 China Netcom Corp. 4355 391 290 EarthLink, Inc. List of Unregistered ASNs (Global) ---------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 18416 UNALLOCATED 61.56.96.0/24 9919 New Century InfoComm 18416 UNALLOCATED 61.56.96.0/20 9919 New Century InfoComm 18416 UNALLOCATED 61.56.97.0/24 9919 New Century InfoComm 18416 UNALLOCATED 61.56.98.0/24 9919 New Century InfoComm 65534 PRIVATE 80.68.80.0/20 8943 Jump Networks Ltd. 1877 UNALLOCATED 192.108.199.0/24 1876 Southern Methodist U 18412 UNALLOCATED 211.77.0.0/19 9674 Far EastTone Telecom 63330 RESERVED 213.8.224.0/23 5486 Euronet Digital Comm 63330 RESERVED 213.8.226.0/23 5486 Euronet Digital Comm Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 156.154.16.0/22 7786 Lockheed Martin IMS 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 164.234.0.0/18 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 164.234.0.0/16 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.43.230.0/24 4738 South Australian Academic Res 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.83.16.0/20 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.83.32.0/19 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.83.96.0/22 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.83.100.0/24 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.84.205.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.119.135.0/24 270 NASA 192.135.50.0/24 7018 AT&T 192.136.79.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.172.11.0/24 721 DLA Systems Automation Center Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:18 /9:3 /10:6 /11:15 /12:61 /13:127 /14:301 /15:530 /16:7919 /17:2126 /18:3712 /19:9553 /20:10071 /21:7397 /22:10383 /23:11888 /24:77898 /25:219 /26:198 /27:115 /28:35 /29:17 /30:68 /31:0 /32:10 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 6347 734 952 SAVVIS Communications Corpora 18566 712 729 Covad Communications 6197 552 721 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7018 550 1426 AT&T 3356 499 888 Level 3 Communications, LLC 702 396 647 UUNET - Commercial IP service 701 388 1312 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 1239 369 938 Sprint 5668 336 383 Century Telephone 27364 336 349 Armstrong Cable Services 9583 333 486 Satyam Infoway Ltd., 6198 331 449 BellSouth Network Solutions, 4766 317 502 Korea Internet Exchange for " 20115 300 566 Charter Communications 6467 268 369 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 9929 260 329 China Netcom Corp. 14824 254 278 NewSouth Communications Corp. 3320 248 300 Deutsche Telekom AG 13609 246 289 Choice One Communications Inc 25844 245 245 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:3 12:832 13:1 15:5 16:2 17:3 20:7 24:740 32:66 33:2 38:74 40:54 44:4 55:1 56:3 57:16 60:5 61:439 62:510 63:1887 64:2063 65:2040 66:2713 67:344 68:505 69:687 70:64 80:544 81:348 82:189 83:115 84:6 128:151 129:171 130:81 131:185 132:23 134:178 135:17 136:174 137:55 138:169 139:35 140:165 141:105 142:119 143:60 144:99 145:42 146:287 147:89 148:418 149:111 150:93 151:68 152:162 153:64 154:2 155:128 156:57 157:66 158:139 159:147 160:53 161:65 162:384 163:79 164:184 165:165 166:111 167:218 168:233 169:114 170:285 171:8 192:5555 193:2830 194:2062 195:1392 196:579 198:3641 199:3103 200:3549 201:9 202:4776 203:5679 204:3119 205:2081 206:2264 207:2503 208:2179 209:3057 210:1449 211:574 212:1001 213:1192 214:70 215:30 216:3740 217:984 218:172 219:123 220:226 221:30 222:98 End of report

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that MIT paper again (Re: VeriSign's rapid DNS updates in .com/.net )
by Paul Vixie 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

i'd said: > > wrt the mit paper on why small ttl's are harmless, i recommend that > > y'all actually read it, the whole thing, plus some of the references, > > rather than assuming that the abstract is well supported by the body. someone asked me: > Would you happen to have the URL for the MIT paper? I meant to keep it > to read at a latertime, but it seems I deleted the message. http://nms.lcs.mit.edu/papers/dns-imw2001.html

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Re: VeriSign's rapid DNS updates in .com/.net
by Paul Vixie 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

> >... so, let's increase dynamicism of domain addition, but let's please > >not also increase dynamicism of delegation change and domain deletion. > > What would be your suggestion to achieve the desired effect that many seek > by lower TTL's, which is changing A records to point to available, lower > load servers at different times? "get over it." > I did read the point that lower TTL's should only be used when > appropriate but if most high-traffic sites use low TTL's, the point > about the rest is moot. (with the exception of the root-servers) The > load will be seen on ISP resolvers, specially on consumer networks. that's not even the worst of it. many business plans throughout history have involved virtualizing something that used to be physical, or driving a bus through a loophole, or both. i'm happy to see dns still working lo these 25 years later, but the terminology has improved to the point where i can make my complaints more exact. what is dns exactly, and what isn't it? dns is a distributed, reliable, autonomous, coherent database. dns is not a directory service. if you want a directory service you probably want soundex rather than wildcards, and you probably want something that's specific to a protocol (like web browsing) rather than something that also affects e-mail, ssh, and everything else. dns is not a mapping service. incoherency is bad. an answer should depend on the question (which means name, class, and type) and on the time the question was asked. offering different results when the same question is asked at the same time is "deliberate incoherence". when once upon a time yelling at akamai for doing this, i called it "stupid dns tricks". i remain open to the possibility that a standards effort will someday add directory services, or mapping services, to dns. but delivering such services without protocol changes is an abuse of a loophole, not "innovation." note that immediate updates for .ORG and now .COM/.NET are completely within the definition of dns and i'm happy to see people doing it. (in isc's own .ORG bid, we also proposed to have it work this way.) i say this in case someone mistakenly believes that this is not a new thread.

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Fwd: Enterprises indicate plans for MPLS VPN use
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Interesting migration, albeit good sense in many regards. FYI, - ferg ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- NETWORK WORLD NEWSLETTER: STEVE TAYLOR AND JOANIE WEXLER ON WIDE AREA NETWORKING 07/22/04 Today's focus: Enterprises indicate plans for MPLS VPN use [snip] Today's focus: Enterprises indicate plans for MPLS VPN use By Steve Taylor and Joanie Wexler Early results of a Webtorials survey about WAN service usage plans conducted in May 2004 and sponsored by Network Physics turned up some interesting results. In particular, there is a strong indicator that enterprises are planning fairly broad adoption of MPLS-based VPN services in the next 18 months. Some of that growth in MPLS VPN adoption will be at the expense of traditional frame-relay network services. This is not because of dissatisfaction with those services but rather it is the nature of the applications to be supported that seems to be changing. Enhanced quality of service (QoS) guarantees, especially for converged networking applications such as VoIP, plus a greater degree of meshed networking to support such applications, were shown to be particularly strong drivers, for example. Businesses generally don't just build new networks simply because they're impressed by the idea of QoS or meshed topologies. They build networks to support the needs of the applications they run. Clearly, these "network layer" considerations point to the rapid adoption of converged networking on a widespread basis. But widespread adoption isn't necessarily a good idea unless the newly adopted networking capabilities are manageable. Difficulty with managing MPLS ranks among four of the top six obstacles to MPLS adoption at the current time. However, the Webtorials survey results showed that management of the newly deployed MPLS-based VPN is expected to be at least as good as - and hopefully better than - current capabilities for legacy networks. Technically speaking, this is a reasonable expectation, so one may be quite hopeful that the deployed capabilities will indeed take advantage of the enhanced technology. RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS 2004 MPLS-Based IP VPNs Survey Results Abstract http://www.webtorials.com/abstracts/MPLSSurvey2004.htm MPLS snowballing, alliance says The Edge, 06/02/03 http://www.nwfusion.com/edge/news/2003/0602mplsall.html MPLS adds lift to Boeing net Network World, 06/07/04 http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/0607boeing.html Group tackles interoperability to give MPLS needed boost Network World, 07/19/04 http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/071904forums.html -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

This report has been generated at Fri Jul 23 21:40:01 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 16-07-04 138915 95775 17-07-04 138948 95666 18-07-04 138700 95737 19-07-04 138785 95899 20-07-04 139016 95894 21-07-04 139084 95894 22-07-04 -1077937324 95894 23-07-04 134555056 95894 AS Summary 0 Number of ASes in routing system 0 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1400 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 0 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) p( : Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 23Jul04 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 139084 95894 43190 31.1% All ASes AS6347 957 129 828 86.5% SAVV SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS18566 701 8 693 98.9% CVAD Covad Communications AS4134 758 165 593 78.2% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS4323 741 210 531 71.7% TWTC Time Warner Telecom AS7018 1400 970 430 30.7% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 512 132 380 74.2% ADELPH-13 Adelphia Corp. AS6197 712 334 378 53.1% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS701 1278 918 360 28.2% UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS22909 397 37 360 90.7% CMCS Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS9583 492 139 353 71.7% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS6467 366 33 333 91.0% ACSI e.spire Communications, Inc. AS22773 384 61 323 84.1% CXAB Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS1239 949 633 316 33.3% SPRN Sprint AS27364 349 39 310 88.8% ARMC Armstrong Cable Services AS11172 347 51 296 85.3% Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V AS9929 322 31 291 90.4% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS17676 339 50 289 85.3% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS4355 381 99 282 74.0% ERSD EARTHLINK, INC AS6198 507 226 281 55.4% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS6478 329 58 271 82.4% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS14654 242 6 236 97.5% WAYPOR-3 Wayport AS25844 244 15 229 93.9% SASMFL-2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS4766 488 265 223 45.7% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS3356 893 674 219 24.5% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications AS6140 369 166 203 55.0% IMPSA ImpSat AS17633 211 8 203 96.2% CHINATELECOM-SD-AS-AP ASN for Shandong Provincial Net of CT AS9443 357 155 202 56.6% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS6327 231 32 199 86.1% SHAWC-2 Shaw Communications Inc. AS5668 381 194 187 49.1% CIH-12 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS20115 566 395 171 30.2% CC04 Charter Communications Total 16203 6233 9970 61.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 AHSICHCL Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.46.4.0/22 AS11711 TULARO TULAROSA COMMUNICATIONS 64.46.12.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 64.46.27.0/24 AS8674 NETNOD-IX Netnod Internet Exchange Sverige AB 64.46.34.0/24 AS3408 64.46.63.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 66.114.0.0/19 AS16526 BIRCHT Birch Telecom, Inc. 69.26.32.0/19 AS19803 ASNBLK-VTLA2 Virtela Communications 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.127.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.80.64.0/19 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.71.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.138.208.0/20 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.190.16.0/21 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALINA Palin Aquisitions Inc. 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLAT-7 Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-1 Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 DEPART-52 Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCBCC Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GTGR GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 AGTA Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MRN Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INS-51 Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASK SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 UBC-3 University of British Columbia 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NXLI NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST IQuest Internet 199.197.8.0/22 AS21814 PARSON-18 Parsons Corp. 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.47.1.0/24 AS7491 PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 202.56.160.0/20 AS10199 DISHNET-AS-AP DishnetDSL Limited 202.70.0.0/20 AS4658 NETFRONT-AS NETFRONT I.T. LIMITED (HONG KONG) 202.70.28.0/24 AS4515 ERX-STAR Star Internet Services Ltd. 202.73.128.0/22 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.81.96.0/19 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.81.109.0/24 AS7657 TIG-US-PAS-AP The Internet Group Limited 202.81.121.0/24 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.123.96.0/20 AS9288 COMCEN-AS-AP Com-Cen Pty Ltd 202.133.3.0/24 AS9335 CIP-JAPAN-AS-AP ATT IPlus 202.136.128.0/20 AS10199 DISHNET-AS-AP DishnetDSL Limited 202.141.160.0/24 AS9237 HUTCHCA-AS BTN Access Limited 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.84.145.0/24 AS4637 REACH Reach Network Border AS 203.84.146.0/24 AS4637 REACH Reach Network Border AS 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBI Exobit Networks Inc. 204.196.0.0/14 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 205.159.72.0/24 AS1660 ANSCOM-5 ANS Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQR-3 Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL-33 Telesat International Ltd. 206.253.190.0/23 AS8123 POLYBA Polybase 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETI NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRTI Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM-1 SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERFN California Education and Research Federation Network 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.130.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.132.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.133.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.134.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.135.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.156.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.158.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.176.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.177.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.178.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.184.0/21 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.186.151.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.152.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.160.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.164.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.192.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.198.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.248.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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ICANN Adds IPv6 to Root DNS
by John Obi 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

It's IPv6 time. http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3384791 Thanks, -J __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/

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Re: Surge Protection
by Mike Nice 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

----- Original Message ----- > We have since purchased some polyphaser surge protectors. I'll second the polyphaser as a good product. We put it in a POP in the base of a 460 foot tower and the equipment and it survived unscathed for at least 5 direct tower lightning hits that we know of since 1998. There were 13 DS1's that sometimes popped fuses at the demarc during a strike. The Polyphaser stuff protected but the hits were never big enough to cause it to fail in a shorted state after strikes. They have a web site http://www.polyphaser.com It must still be installed according to proper engineering principles for best protection. They have some great engineering references on their web site.

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RE: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul
by Michel Py 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Please don't feed the troll; he's about to be ejected from IETF mailing lists by my request, and can't stand it. Thanks Michel. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kent [mailto:mark@noc.mainstreet.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:53 PM To: dean(a)av8.com Cc: Michel Py; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: T1 short-haul vs. long-haul Dean Anderson <dean(a)av8.com> typed: >> Hmm. Michel, We disagree on everything it seems. Just for the record: I believe that, with the exception of your first point (re: diff between ATT telecom and ATT data services), the rest of your black-and-white "Wrong" declarations should instead be more vague "YMMV" declarations. -mark

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