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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Roeland Meyer 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

|> From: Jim Dixon [mailto:jdd@vbc.net] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:01 AM |> |> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote: |> |> > |> Or they could just fly plainclothes armed marshals on |> US flights. |> > |> |> > |> Apparently they tried this years ago, but stopped because it was |> > |> "uneconomical". I guess the airlines have figured out how to |> > |> put a dollar |> > |> amount on human lives. |> > |> > excuse me, but I don't think that the airlines were paying |> for those |> > marshals. Please look towards uncle sugar, for that gaff. |> |> The US government paid for the marshals' airplane tickets? To my understanding, the airline didn't charge the marshals and the marshals didn't charge the airline, quid pro quo. I remember some senator raising a big stink about airlines getting preferential treatment, at the time. An aircraft is considered private property. They only did it on domestic flights, as I recall, due to international jurisdictional issues. There was also the issue of firearms and aircraft pressure hulls. There was a big push to find a round that was effective, yet wouldn't create problems there. That was about the time that the Tazer was invented (a real problem with multiple assailants, per man). I recall this from another life and the memory is not clear (as well as being more than 20 years old).

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Roeland Meyer 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

|> From: Dan Hollis [mailto:goemon@anime.net] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:47 AM |> |> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: |> > Locked bulletproof door to the cockpit. Survelliance cameras in the |> > passenger compartments. That all which was needed to foil |> the attack. Now |> > I think it's time to ask why this isn't the standard procedure? |> |> Or they could just fly plainclothes armed marshals on US flights. |> |> Apparently they tried this years ago, but stopped because it was |> "uneconomical". I guess the airlines have figured out how to |> put a dollar |> amount on human lives. excuse me, but I don't think that the airlines were paying for those marshals. Please look towards uncle sugar, for that gaff.

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[nom-steer] Disaster in New York; offer of assistance
by Alex Bligh 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

IMPORTANT! This message has been blind-carbon-copied to you. Do not reply-to-all or forward it without the author's permission. [BCC'd to multiple lists, apologies for duplicates] No doubt everybody reading this will alread be aware of the disastrous events unfold in New York and WDC, and untold human cost. As we try and focus back on running networks, it has become evident that much of downtown NY is currently without power, and many telco hotels are running on backup generators. Some are not being started, or cannot start, due to the ash in the air, and some may stop. At least three colo facilities (WTC obviously, 7 WTC next door, Old slip) are down. 25 Broadway (at least) is running on generator power. It is unknown at this stage how much diesel existing facilities have. At least one C/O is gone, and Verizon is having extensive problems in the downtown area. Most transatlantic circuits land in Manhatten, and most are routed through down town area. Though we didn't see much circuit disruption yesterday (apparently UUnet lost some transatlantic capacity - no doubt they can provide more details), I expect more disruption as generators run dry. This is likely to be a difficult week for transatlantic operators. In the spirit of cooperation in adverse circumstances, XO Europe would like to offer free transit to any European ISP with a presence in the UK, in case of any emergency outage caused by the NY / WDC events (i.e. total lack of transit or severe degredation through). We can bring this up quickly in either Telehouse or Harbour Exchange. Obviously we will need to capacity plan this. Please email or ring me first. Don't just point default. XchangePoint has similarly offered to put in private interconnects at minimal notice if required under similar circuimstances (please contact Brett Wilde there). I would encourage other large ISPs with transatlantic capacity spare to join us in this offer. Please feel free to redistribute this message intact. Alex Bligh Senior Technology Officer, Europe XO Communications - http://www.xo.com/ (formerly Nextlink Inc, Concentric Network Corporation GX Networks, Xara Networks) -- Nominet UK Steering Committee Mailing List

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above.net/hurricane electric look out for portential DoS
by Jim Mercer 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

the content of the page at www.saverealbig.com is being spammed out with the standard "click here to be removed" blather. partial text: "We at the family of SaveRealBig.com know every American and citizens of other nations around the world are appalled at this great act of terrorism and hope you choose to support relief efforts; by showing your support and purchasing a 3 x 5 US Flag." i would imagine that this, rather tasteless, "entreprenurial" effort might just cause some problems for anyone related to it (above.net/he.net) -- [ Jim Mercer jim(a)reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ Now with more and longer words for your reading enjoyment. ]

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Roeland Meyer 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

|> From: Vadim Antonov [mailto:avg@exigengroup.com] |> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:21 PM |> |> Locked bulletproof door to the cockpit. Survelliance cameras in the |> passenger compartments. That all which was needed to foil |> the attack. Now |> I think it's time to ask why this isn't the standard procedure? "Bulletproof" is not needed when you can't get guns aboard. Guns are as dangerous to the hijacker as to anyone else. They can puncture the pressure hull. Readywhip has been the standard answer to survalance cameras for years. Locks don't do you any good if they aren't used. The real big problem is that we haven't had a hijacking in almost 10 years and no serious terrorism activity since the mid-'70's. The answer then is the same as now, SOGs specifically tasked to take out terrorist bases and training camps. But, that was in the daze of Scair America and BlackOps Rangers.

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Re: Additional Power Outages in Lower Manhattan
by Robert Boyle 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

---- Original Message ---- From: spork(a)inch.com To: sean(a)donelan.com, Subject: Re: Additional Power Outages in Lower Manhattan Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:28:03 -0400 (EDT) >On 11 Sep 2001, Sean Donelan wrote: >32 Old Slip houses (at least) an ATT local services switch (ex-tcg, >ex-acc), Focal, and GlobalNaps. We lost PRIs and backhauls at about >5:45 >p.m. The last Focal person I spoke with said the building was >evacuated >this morning (it's actually quite far from WTC, relatively speaking). >Apparently whatever generator power they have has to be manually >activated. I just spoke to the Focal NOC and they claim they have been running on generator power at 32 Old Slip since this morning and they have now run out and since no (fuel) trucks are allowed into the city... Focal claims to have two people there at the building investigating whether they can use DC power to run things until 10:30AM when they have been told power will be restored. Our GlobalNAPs contacts told us earlier today that the building management at 32 Old Slip elected to not turn on the generators or that they were unable to do so because of the soot in the air. I'm not sure which story is true or if both are partially correct. All staff was evacuated from the building in the AM and we are only communicating with staff in remote cities so their information may not be any better than us guessing. I just wanted to relate the AC restoration time 10:30AM? and the two conflicting stories I have heard regarding generator power at 32 Old Slip. -Robert

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RE: World Trade Center attack
by Marshall Eubanks 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

> >I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in NYC >from London. > >Anybody else having the same issues ... ? Both WTC towers are down. My guess is that every person in NYC is calling / being called by their families. The government has been moved to a secure location (probably Mount Thunder.) I cannot get any US news site in my bookmarks. I have heard that cell phone service in DC is down. I would anticipate some difficulty in getting through. e-mails still seem to be working well. Marshall > >Chuck Youse > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM >To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' >Subject: World Trade Center attack > > > >Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into >them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't >give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for >those killed. > >Greg Pendergrass > > Marshall Eubanks tme(a)21rst-century.com

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Verizon Reports Cellular, Landline Calls Double During Peak of Today's Tragedy
by Jeff Ogden 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

This item was posted at 1:35 AM to MI-Telecom, an e-mail list used to post information related to telecommunications in Michigan. Not sure what the time of the press release itself is/was. -Jeff Ogden Merit http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story /09-11-2001/0001570617&STORY&EDATE= Verizon Reports Cellular, Landline Calls Double During Peak of Today's Tragedy NEW YORK, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Calls to Verizon's cellular and landline networks doubled from their peak normal volumes in the wake of the apparent terrorist attacks in New York City and on the Pentagon, near Washington, D.C. In the aftermath, calls to Verizon's networks reached twice the normal daily volumes of 115 million calls in New York City and 35 millions calls in the nation's capital. On a normal business day Verizon handles 1.5 billion calls. The wireless network, while operating well, is experiencing congestion due to heavy calling. During the peak of the day, Verizon experienced 50 percent to 100 percent more traffic than normal, nationwide, on its wireless network. Phone lines were extremely busy much of Tuesday, and many people who tried to call into or out of New York City and Washington, D.C. experienced a "fast busy" signal and had to redial. Calls to Verizon Directory Assistance and "0" operators also were 100 percent to 200 percent above normal today. Call answering times averaged between 5 and 50 seconds. Wherever possible the company is re-routing call traffic. The Verizon network has redundancies ranging from fiber optic rings to backup power. In Manhattan, the company has asked long-distance carriers to work with it in routing traffic. Two facilities at the World Trade Center that handled calls to and from the complex were destroyed in the building collapse. Normally, Verizon has 488 employees, including some sales people, who work in the World Trade Center. They worked on lower floors of the North Tower. The company has accounted for most of these employees. At 140 West Street in Manhattan, the company's operations center was evacuated before the WTC buildings collapsed. Normally, 1,737 employees are assigned to that building. Verizon has as many as 10 wireless cell sites in New York City that are not operating. These are mostly out of service because facilities that connect the sites to the landline network went through the World Trade Center. Three temporary cell sites are on standby to go into southern Manhattan as soon as emergency officials allow. The company is increasing power and redirecting capacity at several northern New Jersey cell sites to serve southern Manhattan. By 10 p.m. a new cell site will be on the air in Liberty State Park in New Jersey, and two additional new cell sites will be on the air by midnight to bolster New York City coverage. Temporary cell sites have been established at the Pittsburgh crash location and a temporary site will soon be operational at the Pentagon. Verizon Communications (NYSE: VZ) is one of the world's leading providers of communications services. Verizon companies are the largest providers of wireline and wireless communications in the United States, with 125 million access line equivalents and approximately 28 million wireless customers. Verizon is also the largest directory publisher in the world. A Fortune 10 company with about 260,000 employees and more than $65 billion in annual revenues, Verizon's global presence extends to 40 countries in the Americas, Europe, Asia and the Pacific. For more information on Verizon, visit http://www.verizon.com. ************************************************************************** Resources for Michigan Telephone Users web page: http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ ************************************************************************** To submit a message to this list, send it to MI-Telecom(a)MailList.Net (NOTE: If you just hit "Reply", most e-mail programs will send a private reply to the original sender only, that will NOT be posted to the list) ************************************************************************** To subscribe to or unsubscribe from the MI-Telecom mailing list, please visit the web page at http://www.maillist.net/mi-telecom.html **************************************************************************

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RE: Horrible world trade center crash, traffic effect
by Rishi Singh 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Our Internap DS-3 circuit is down in NY. InterNAP can't call the circuit out to Verizon, because Verizon isn't doing any testing or dispatching currently. It could be a few days till this circuit comes back. We are moving to our other providers at different geographical sites currently. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lockhart [mailto:simonl@rd.bbc.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:42 PM To: Daniel Golding Cc: deeann mikula; Charles Sprickman; Avi Freedman; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Horrible world trade center crash, traffic effect >The problem seems to be site limiting, rather than network limiting. >i.e., news sites are being overloaded, which is causing slow or no >response to http queries due to either server overload (my guess) or >news site transit link overload (also possible). This is what seems to >be causing lacking of response to news sites, instead of generalized >network or peering congestion. I can concur. Network running fine (busy, but not full). Servers *very* busy. I am amazed how few network outages in NYC I am hearing about. Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart(a)bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/

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Circuits down, Free Verizon payphones
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Some European circuits from 60 Hudson have failed, according to the carrier due to power problems. Other carriers in 60 Hudson report no current problems. Verizon, the local New York City telephone company, has re-programmed all Verizon owned payphones in lower Manhatten to provide free local telephone calls.

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