February 2001 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Re: Social responsibility (censorship?) on NANOG?
by John Fraizer 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Susan Harris wrote: > John, your forwarded message went to nanog-post, not to the NANOG list. > nanog-post is simply the list of people who are subscribed (allowed) to > send to the NANOG list, and therefore nanog-post doesn't go anywhere. > > People that are on the NANOG list also have to belong to the nanog-post > list if they want to send messages to the nanog list. This is explained > on the web: > > http://www.nanog.org/email.html > > See section 2. > > Susan Harris, Ph.D. > Merit Network/Univ. of Mich. > Susan, The only way my message was going to nanog-post is if the MTA there at MERIT is mutating them on their way in. Here is what has been sent out. ATTEMPT #1: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: John Fraizer <nanog(a)EnterZone.Net> To: nanog(a)merit.edu cc: spam(a)wcom.com, abuse(a)wcom.com bcc: Jason.Weeks(a)wcom.Com Subject: WCOM SPAM!!! : Lower Cost T-1/ T-3 lines from WorldCom/UUNET for ISP's. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061402350.8783-100000(a)Overkill.EnterZone.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ATTEMPT #2: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Fraizer <nanog(a)EnterZone.Net> To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: WCOM SPAM!!! : Lower Cost T-1/ T-3 lines from WorldCom/UUNET for ISP's. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102070041240.20944-100000(a)Overkill.EnterZone.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (Unsubscribed from NANOG and NANOG-POST, resubscribed with email@FQDN) ATTEMPT #3: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:22:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Fraizer <nanog(a)Overkill.EnterZone.Net> To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: WCOM SPAM!!! : Lower Cost T-1/ T-3 lines from WorldCom/UUNET for ISP's. (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102072222060.12448-100000(a)Overkill.EnterZone.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As you can see, every message was sent to nanog(a)merit.edu, just as always. I'm not the only one seeing this problem and I'm pretty sure that we all understand how the mailing list works. We've all been active for years, even prior to there being such thing as "nanog-post" so, something is happening on that end that shouldn't be. I thought I should bring it to the attention of the powers that be. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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[jared@puck.Nether.net: New "operational" list.]
by Adam Rothschild 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

FYI, since I still haven't seen this post make its way to the list... -adam ----- Forwarded message from Jared Mauch <jared(a)puck.Nether.net> ----- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:28:06 -0500 From: Jared Mauch <jared(a)puck.Nether.net> Subject: New "operational" list. To: Adam Rothschild <asr(a)latency.net> Cc: John Fraizer <nanog(a)Overkill.EnterZone.Net>, nanog(a)merit.edu I've set up an unmoderated list inet-ops(a)puck.nether.net that people can subscribe to. List information: to subscribe: echo subscribe | mail inet-ops-request(a)puck.nether.net to unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail inet-ops-request(a)puck.nether.net There is no list charter so everything is on-topic. We do request that you send issues that are better suited for other lists such as vendor specific issues or otherwise to more appropriate lists than this one. Thanks, - Jared On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:49:55PM -0500, Adam Rothschild wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:38:48PM -0500, John Fraizer wrote: > > Is the list being moderated or filtered in some way? > > Apparently. That, or it's somehow silently discarding random messages > of an operational nature, either of which is a bad thing(tm). > > -adam -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared(a)puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine. ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: /24's run amuck?
by Richard A. Steenbergen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:20:34PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > > > Almost time to bring back the satanic filters. > > bring back? Speaking of satan(ic filters)... :P What size routing table does verio carry? :P -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

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Re: [asr@latency.net: Re: Social responsibility (censorship?) on NANOG?]
by Jamie --gavroche 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: Adam Rothschild <asr(a)latency.net> >On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:38:48PM -0500, John Fraizer wrote: > > Is the list being moderated or filtered in some way? > >Apparently. That, or it's somehow silently discarding random messages >of an operational nature, either of which is a bad thing(tm). No, I dont think that is the case. I am posting now from my hotmail account because I've somehow been black holed from posting. It's very clear to me that this is not a mailer problem ... A couple weeks ago, I found myself unsub'd from both nanog@ and the nanog-post list. Now, I could see being unsub'd accidentally from nanog@ if something weird happened and bounces came back, but no list mechanism would unsub someone from nanog-post@, since it doesn't generate outgoing messages. I was removed without notice or warning, and e-mail to susan harris went unanswered. It was fairly rude, considering I've been around nanog since, what, 95? I'd think I'd deserve a little more respect than that. At least three times since then I've been unsub'd from nanog-post, *but not nanog*, again, without warn or notice. Today, I found out that while I was still on nanog-post@, any post that I make from my primary account gets blackholed. I know the list is working, and I know mail is being delivered to the merit mail servers: 04/02/2001 20:03:00 sendmail[22307]: f1512eV22305: to=nanog(a)merit.edu, ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:20, xdelay=00:00:18, mailer=esmtp, pri=60967, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 421A35DDC2) 07/02/2001 15:03:13 sendmail[54414]: f17K2pK54412: to=nanog(a)merit.edu, ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:22, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=esmtp, pri=61366, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as E55775DE63) 07/02/2001 17:53:43 sendmail[54937]: f17MrfM54935: to=nanog(a)merit.edu, ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=61085, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 710C85DD96) 07/02/2001 17:55:02 sendmail[54951]: f17MsVP54949: to=nanog(a)merit.edu, ctladdr=jamie (100/20), delay=00:00:31, xdelay=00:00:04, mailer=esmtp, pri=120967, relay=mail.merit.edu. [198.108.1.41], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as E92CB5DDCC) So, who is deciding who gets to be on the list and who doesn't? Since this is obviously a MERIT-sponsored forum, what is MERIT's policy on supporting selective censorship in its mail lists? Considering the level of OT posts lately on the list, and the list maintainer's silent policies, where can one go for less S:N, better administration, etc. ? jamie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Social responsibility (censorship?) on NANOG?
by John Fraizer 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

I have received tons of requests to forward the message and headers to people. It is now posted in all it's glory at: http://stats.ez-hosting.net/~tvo/WCOM-SPAM.txt --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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OT: test
by John Fraizer 07 Feb '01

07 Feb '01

Test message. Please disregard. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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Re: Managing task lists
by Paul Vixie 07 Feb '01

07 Feb '01

> What sort of software do people use to manage various tasks? Something > like a helpdesk or ticketing system, where users can report problems, etc. Keystone with Postgres. That is, http://www.stonekeep.com/keystone.php3 and http://www.postgresql.org/.

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network equipment vendors and social responsibility
by Vadim Antonov 07 Feb '01

07 Feb '01

People on this list were laughing at me when i asked them few years ago to express disapproval to Cisco and others about selling censorship tools to Chinese police agencies. Now read about it in the news :( http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/features/lat_chiteck010127.htm Regards, --vadim

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On fiber cuts in Charleston SC
by SMcGrath＠dhhs.state.nh.us 07 Feb '01

07 Feb '01

My vendor is reporting a major cut in the Charleston SC area from their upstream provider I apologize NDA prevents me from revealing more specific data. What I wanted to know in the first place is there really a cut that anyone else knows about Scott

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RE: Managing task lists
by Roeland Meyer 07 Feb '01

07 Feb '01

Some of you guys are REALLY not going to like this. But there is a reason I use MS-Outlook and corporate task management is one of them. It talks to my Pilot, my Cell-phone, etc. It ain't perfect, by a long-shot, but it's better than the sea of paper/yellow-sticky/scraps I was constantly in before. I don't lug a 50# paper day-timer around anymore either. Trouble-ticket forms are built into an Outlook form and stored in an Oracle DB. > -----Original Message----- > From: bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com > [mailto:bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:59 PM > To: rmeyer(a)mhsc.com > Cc: jssmith(a)mobshop.com; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Managing task lists > > > > > > Home-brew. > > > > Whiteboard... or for more permanent... > YellowSticky notes. > > Works fine for a (very) small shop. > > --bill >

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