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Re: Cisco Flash help needed
by Sean Donelan 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

On Fri, 09 February 2001, Simon Lockhart wrote: > > And then, of course, there's the 1Gb IBM Microdrive. > What is the MTBF for a microdrive exposed to a carrier-grade environment?

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news story about the fiber cut off China
by Steve Bellovin 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/09/asia.cable/index.html --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb

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Hinet.net/Asia-Taiwan outage?
by Michael C . Wu 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Today around 5pm Central Time, everything from *.tw stopped responding. And hinet.net, (something like Asia's Abovenet), stopped responding. Does anybody know anything about this outage? P.S. I want to say that Hinet.net is extremely clueless. We've been crying for their routers to resolve for years, and they refuse to do it. In addition, the email/usenet spams, open relays, etc. from *.hinet.net official services are at absurdly high levels.. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii(a)peorth.iteration.net | keichii(a)bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: network equipment vendors and social responsibility
by Frank Jimenez 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Just to clarify, the product mentioned in the article is Websense. Websense is not a Cisco product. (In fact, it's not even listed in Cisco's price list...) A quick glance at http://www.websense.com/ indicates that integration is offered with over 18 different firewalling products, not just Cisco's PIX. While I may or may not agree with China's politics, I think that to lay this issue at Cisco's doorstep may be a bit much. Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 Systems Engineer Cisco Systems, Inc. franjime(a)cisco.com

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single NIC stats monitoring tool
by Andy Grosser 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Hi there, I realize this is probably a little simplistic for this list, but a colleague asked me if I knew of a tool that would monitor real-time traffic going through a box's NIC card. I know there's NT's performance monitor, but that seems more useful for things like CPU utilization. I used perfmon (or something like that) on Solaris some time ago, but this person's interested in running stats on his 3C905 card on his NT box. The 3Com site wasn't very helpful. Please reply off-list. And I promise I'll cease the inane questions. :-) Thanks in advance. --- Andy Grosser andy(a)conrad.harvard.edu (The above comments are my own; Harvard University claims no responsibility for them.) ---

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Trace Sites
by Jay 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Last week someone posted to this list about compiling a list of various hosts on various networks which accept ICMP/UDP packets for traceroutes. The purpose of this list was for network engineers (or similar) to have a resource of "traceroute-able" hosts for diagnostics, troubleshooting, testing, etc... I replied to the individual who originally posted the idea, but have not heard anything from him. I would like to pick up this idea, as it could be a very useful resource. All would get out of it what you put into it. Meaning, the list of hosts should be opt-in only -- if you're responsible for a host, add it to the list. If you don't want your host(s) on the list, don't add 'em. If anyone has any thoughts on this, please email me off-list and I'll re-post to the list in a week or so with the compiled status. -- ~Jay .. .. .. Jay Jacobson Chief Executive Officer .. .. Opnix, Inc. http://opnix.com .. .. ..

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Draft Atlanta agenda
by Susan Harris 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Greetings - here's the draft agenda for NANOG 21. Any changes will be announced on the web: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/ If you have questions about the agenda, the upcoming meeting, or the email list, please send 'em to nanog-support(a)nanog.org, rather than to the NANOG list. Thanks. --Susan Harris -------------------- DRAFT Agenda NANOG 21 - February 18-20, 2001 Atlanta, GA SUNDAY TUTORIALS 1:30 - 3:00 p.m. Exterior Routing 201: The Full Picture Howard Berkowitz, Nortel 3:00 - 3:30 p.m. BREAK 3:30 - 5:00 p.m. Understanding Standards Track IETF MIBs Mike MacFaden, Riverstone Chris Elliott, Cisco 3:30 - 5:00 p.m. Customer Satisfaction 201 Howard Berkowitz, Nortel MONDAY GENERAL SESSION 9:00 a.m. Welcome, Introductions Susan Harris, Merit Greg Hankins, Riverstone 9:15 a.m. Multiservice Core Design Vijay Gill, MFN Jim Boyle, Level 3 9:45 a.m. Reasons Not to Deploy RED (or, "On the Limits of Active Queue Management") Christophe Diot, Sprint 10:15 a.m. DDoS Attacks and Pushback Steve Bellovin, AT&T 10:45 a.m. BREAK 11:00 a.m. Review & Analysis of Y2K vs. Previous Years' Outages - What's Being Done to Protect the Network Infrastructure? Analysis of Network Outages and Events in the Year 2000 Compared to Previous Years Sean Donelan, Equinix 11:30 a.m. FlowScan Dave Plonka, University of Wisconsin - Madison 12:00 p.m. LUNCH 1:30 p.m. Single Source Multicast: The Multicast Broadcast Model Marshall Eubanks, Multicast Technologies 2:00 p.m. Blurring the Lines Between Circuits and Protocols: Plans to Re-Organize Sub-IP Technologies in the IETF Scott Bradner, Harvard 2:30 p.m. BGP MED Oscillation Daniel Walton, Cisco 3:00 p.m. BREAK 3:15 p.m. Dynamic Service Provisioning in Converged Network Infrastructure Muckai Girish, Atoga 3:35 p.m. Panel: Provider-Provisioned VPNs Jessica Yu, Cosine, Moderator Kireeti Kompella, Juniper Alvaro Retana, Cisco Luyuan Fang, AT&T 5:30 - 7:30 p.m. Beer 'n Gear! Monday Evening BOFs 7:30 - 9 p.m. Network Policy Paul Vixie, MFN, moderator 7:30 - 9 p.m. FlowScan Dave Plonka, University of Wisconsin - Madison 7:30 - 9 p.m. AAA John Vollbrecht, Interlink, moderator 9 - 10:30 p.m. Data Center BOF II Bill Norton, Equinix Michael Lucking, Epoch Internet, moderators TUESDAY GENERAL SESSION 9:00 a.m. Panel: Global Routing System Scaling Issues Cathy Wittbrodt, iVMG, Moderator Bill Woodcock, Zocalo Tony Li, Procket Networks Abha Ahuja, Arbor Networks Vijay Gill, MFN Enke Chen, Redback 10:30 a.m. BREAK 10:45 a.m. IPv6 in Mobile Wireless Networking Dana Blair, Cisco 11:15 a.m. Network Policies - Current and Proposed (BOF Follow-Up) Paul Vixie, MFNa 11:40 a.m. New Version of the RIPE Database Andrei Robachevsky, RIPE 12:00 p.m. - 1:30 p.m. LUNCH 1:30 p.m. Very Short Reach OC-192/STM-64 Interfaces Russ Tuck, Pluris 1:45 p.m. Florida Exchanges Facing South: NOTA and the MIX Bill Manning, ISI, moderator Dan Golding, Netrail Christian Kuhtz, BellSouth 2:45 p.m. Closing Remarks Susan Harris, Merit 2:50 p.m. Adjourn

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Re: FC: More on how FCC and Congress will regulate new vs. old media
by William Allen Simpson 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan McCullagh wrote: > From: "Dave McClure" <dmcclure(a)usiia.org> > I fear that in the current environment, the answer will be to allow all > networks to be closed to competition. That scrunching sound you hear > is the door slamming shut on 7,000 independent ISPs. . . > > Regards, > Dave McClure > > [Dave and I generally agree, but we may part paths here. We justify keeping > telco lines open because of the ex-monopoly status of the RBOCs, but in the > long run hope that those regulations can fade away. --Declan] > I'm afraid I have the numbers to back up Dave.... That's fine in theory, but in your "long run", we are all dead. I'm a partner in an ISP in rural northern Mississippi. We were the first in the region, 7+ years ago, and have been offering DSL about a year. Bellsouth charges ISPs $40 per month, plus $375 installation, for a "dry pair" (alarm equivalent), or $91 per month, plus $2,000 installation, for the "unloaded" version (needed for DSL over more than a few hundred feet of distance). That's a pair with no switch, no user billing, nothing. We have to provide both ends of the equipment, switching, and Internet service from a backbone. Bellsouth went to court to overturn the original FCC determination that a fair price for an unbundled pair would be $15 per month in rural Mississippi (less in more urban states). Bellsouth.net, the unregulated subsidiary, just showed up in several of our towns offering ADSL for $40 per month at 1.5M/256K bps, with higher fees for "business" rates. Calculating costs for upstream, amortizing costs of equipment, and assuming that a T3 will support about 900 DSL users, unregulated Bellsouth.net would have to pay regulated Bellsouth less than $8 per line per month to break even. Since we "know" that Bellsouth.net has very few customers as yet, we can understand that they might operate at a loss for awhile. Still, it would take pretty deep pockets.... But, assuming that they are being charged the tariffed rate for wiring that Bellsouth swore in court papers was needed as a base price, they can NEVER MAKE MONEY. Remember, the Bells were highly subsidized when they started up. They've leveraged that subsidized monopoly into owning all the rights of way, and by statute are exempt from paying to install their lines. We have to pay a monthly fee to the cities per pole and linear foot where we run our lines in parallel, although there is a court case over that in some states. Our barriers to entry are huge. Sorry, but the unregulated regime is killing ISPs, and the tenor has drastically changed now that the baby bells know that the new administration is unlikely to rein in anti-competitive behaviour. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1 iQCVAwUBOoLaQ9m/qMj6R+sxAQG0GwQAxIbwK2XfZWABlqcX6k1HvJjiaXDCL+xh 2z2RHcJmG5ZJZdbhKZkaX8VNHvfnrSr04l7uKM9Gge4GgtpwM16ioxm8lVPW+qZT UbY/fE+tjnOEDXEbjLV/dOdZ7IOdrn9uF942VU1h9oXttfKsVku326bl8djS4elQ GMN3bWFWXNw= =rCSF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Social responsibility (censorship?) on NANOG?
by Steven M. Bellovin 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> >I'm not the only one seeing this problem and I'm pretty sure that we all >understand how the mailing list works. We've all been active for years, >even prior to there being such thing as "nanog-post" so, something is >happening on that end that shouldn't be. I haven't had problems posting, but a few months ago, I also was mysteriously unsubscribed from the nanog list. I don't know if it was a glitch in the mailing list manager software or enemy action (of course, I'm a security guy, so I always wonder about enemy action...). --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb

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Re: Social responsibility (censorship?) on NANOG?
by John Fraizer 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:38:48PM -0500, John Fraizer wrote: > > I was recently SPAMMED by a WCOM sales-droid. Wanting to bring this to > > the attention to as many movers-and-shakers as possible, I forwarded the > > SPAM to nanog-post. > > You may have simply typo'd this, but one never sends mail to > nanog-post. Just nanog. > > -- > Jeff Haas > NextHop Technologies > OK. nanog-post was a typo. The mail was sent to nanog(a)merit.edu. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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