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Exodus (last post)
by chrism＠postino.raremedium.com 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

I'm afraid I'm going to have to bow out of the Exodus discussion. Their corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing". As far as I know, this is my SECOND posting to a public forum with respect to my dealings with Exodus. I'm not sure how that qualifies as numerous, nor do I understand how my initial note could be construed as offensive or harassing. I guess if you're an Exodus customer you're simply not supposed to tell anyone if you've gotten poor service or if you've gotten spammed. So rather than create work for their insufficiently utilizized legal counsel, I'll just let it drop. If anyone would like to discuss this with me offline, please feel free to drop me a line. As far as I know, you can't be harangued by a lawyer for talking to folks in private. *shrug* Simply amazing. I thought I'd seen it all.... Chris -- Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism(a)raremedium.com

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Re: MAE NY?
by Chris Mauritz 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

That's why you attach a sticky label to the sawzall saying "Brother P-touch". 8-) C Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism(a)raremedium.com -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Stratton <nathan(a)robotics.net> To: <alex(a)nac.net> Cc: Chris Mauritz <chrism(a)raremedium.com>; TTSG <ttsg(a)ttsg.com>; Geoff Lisk <glisk(a)digisle.net>; <rpa(a)insnet.net>; <amb(a)gxn.net>; <randy(a)psg.com>; <redhead(a)cloudy.lightning.net>; <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 1:32 PM Subject: Re: MAE NY? >On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 alex(a)nac.net wrote: > >> > basically rummage round and get you a tile with a random-sized hole in it. >> > If you're lucky, you get a big hole in the middle. If you're not, you get >> > one just big enough to fit your hand through (and risk the jaggies on the >> > bottom) at some random spot on the tile. I've thought about keeping a >> > sawzall in cabinets there just for the purpose of "customizing floor tiles" >> > in the wee hours of the night. 8-) >> >> I'm sure telehouse would actually not have a problem with that. >> >> They are generally very accomodating. > >Wow, I thought I was accommodating in my colos, but I never would have let >someone have at it with a sawzall. > >><> >Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting >www.robotics.net nathan(a)robotics.net >-- >"No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by >his great strength." - Psalm 33:16 > >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - - >> ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs. October 26-28, 1998, Atlanta, GA. >> Three days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and >> brightest. http://www.ispf.com/ for information and registration. >> >> Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. >> Alex Rubenstein, alex(a)nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member >> Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer >> Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 >> Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - - >> >

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Where do you stand?
by john＠ciag.net 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

What would you do in this case? You are contracted by an accounting firm and as a favor to them you provide email redirection, pop accounts, web redirection, and web space to their clients at no charge. Your company is the one who registers the domain name and pays for it. In fact the domain name isnt in the name of the company, but is in fact in the name of your company. All of a sudden the individual stops dealing with the accounting firm. Out of the blue, without any contact you receive a notice showing domain modifications. After perfoming 15 months of free service they dont even bother to call to tell you they are transfering the domain name they paid for.

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Re: Sprint's filtering
by Ron Buchalski 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:44:28 -0500 >From: Karl Denninger <karl(a)mcs.net> >To: "David R. Conrad" <David_Conrad(a)isc.org>, > I Am Not An Isp <patrick(a)ianai.net> >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: Sprint's filtering > [snip] > >Balderdash. The cost of a few SIMMs in routers pales beyond the >market damage that comes from not being able to get where your >customers want to go. [snip] Even the cost of _Cisco_ SIMMs? ;-) -rb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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IP allocations, renumbering, and RFC 2050
by Scott Gifford 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

We have a customer who is in the process of moving from MCI^H^H^HCable and Wireless to us. They have been using MCI/CW for a while, and need time to renumber their equipment, have their customers change places they have hardcoded IP addresses, etc. A quick read through RFC 2050 (IP Allocation Guidelines) talks about this situation in section 2.1: The ISP should allow sufficient time for the renumbering process to be completed before the IP addresses are reused. However, the rep they spoke with at MCI/CW seems to feel that the moment the connection is cancelled, the IP addresses may be reassigned to another customer, and they should not expect a grace period for renumbering. Anybody had any experience with this before? Is it reasonable of me to expect MCI/CW to be nice about the whole thing, and give their customer 6 months to renumber? Or is this what everybody does, taking the "should"s in the RFC very literally? Anybody had any luck with the appeals process on things like this? Thanks for any experience/info/ideas/reality checks, --------Scott.

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Multihoming (was YA Class B)
by Howard C. Berkowitz 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

The class B discussion contains a lot of discussion about what "multihoming," and especially "legitimate multihoming," mean. I don't pretend that I have the definitive answer on the meaning of legitimacy -- since I live in the same metropolitan area as Bill Clinton, I may not be sure of the meaning of anything -- but I do have a strawman to offer in coming up with a consensus definition of multihoming. Many of you attended my multihoming presentatation at the Albuquerque NANOG. That derived from an informational I-D, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-berkowitz-multirqmt-01.txt. Officially, it expired in August, but it's still there and I am working on a new draft Slides for this were on the NANOG web page when last I looked; I'd be happy to send a PowerPoint version to anyone who doesn't want to scan through those GIF's. This document was written as a guide to analyzing customer multihoming requirements and then selecting the appropriate technology(ies) to implement the customer requirement. In the current version, I didn't include issues such as the number or speed of exchange point connections, but that certainly could be worked into the taxonomy. Anyway, suggestions are welcome on how I could extend the taxonomy in the draft to include some of the requirements for "legitimate" multihoming. Probably more likely than coming up with a definition of legitimacy, I'd be happy if we could come up with standard terms and criteria so we could talk consistently about multihoming. Howard

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Re: MAE NY?
by Chris Mauritz 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

I dont' think "giga"switches need any help from the ambient temperature to lose packets. 8-) C Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism(a)raremedium.com -----Original Message----- From: <alex(a)nac.net> To: Sean Donelan <SEAN(a)SDG.DRA.COM> Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:25 PM Subject: Re: MAE NY? > >I recall seeing a study a few years back that showed direct correlation >between packet loss and temperature on DEC Gigaswitches; does anyone else >remember this? > > >On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Sean Donelan wrote: > >> amb(a)gxn.NET (Alex Bligh) writes: >> >> core1.nyc>sho env all >> >> >> >> Temperature readings: >> >> chassis inlet measured at 26C/78F >> >> >> >> 78F in my cabinet in the inlet seems reasonable to me. >> > >> >Well seeing as we're playing this game: >> > >> >newyork1>show env all >> >... >> > card inlet hotpoint exhaust >> >RSP(2) 15C/59F 19C/66F 18C/64F >> > >> >Brrrr... >> >> paix1>show env all >> >> card inlet hotpoint exhaust >> RSP(2) 14C/57F 19C/66F 17C/62F >> >> PAIX is the only place I worry about my equipment getting too cold, >> condensation and such. Anyone know what the dewpoint at PAIX is? >> Any other entrants in the cold co-locate arena? >> >> Of course, WCOM wins for having the hottest POPs. >> -- >> Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO >> Affiliation given for identification not representation >> > >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs. October 26-28, 1998, Atlanta, GA. > Three days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and > brightest. http://www.ispf.com/ for information and registration. > > Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. > Alex Rubenstein, alex(a)nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member > Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer > Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 > Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >

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Re: IP allocations, renumbering, and RFC 2050
by Tony Li 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

brad(a)null0.qual.net (Bradley Reynolds) writes: > After taking a cursory glance at RFC2050, i happened upon > the ambiguous and unintelligable wording 'best current > practice'. Even though the definition of this term was thoroughly > obfuscated, i did not find LAW or JESUS SPAKE preceding any > of the edicts contained within the mentioned rfc. Please see RFC 1818. Tony

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[YA] Fwd: Class B Purchase
by David R. Conrad 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

Hi, Seems scanning ARIN's database for B's is becoming a trend. Anybody want to provide the procmail incantation to forward flems and other wasted bits (like this message) to Gabriel automatically? Don't these people realize addresses have no value? After all, addresses are just integers. Right, Bill? :-) Hmmm. At last! A way to cover the upkeep costs for my black helicopter (they're so useful, I didn't want to return it when I left APNIC)! As APNIC's 16 Bs are still registered to me, I see a _wonderful_ profit potential -- anybody got the URL for the Address Black Market, I seem to have misplaced it...? Regards, -drc --------------- >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:07 GMT >From: "CommuniTech.Net, Inc." <gabriel(a)communitech.net> >Subject: Class B Purchase >To: <davidc(a)apnic.net>, <gabriel(a)communitech.net> > >My name is Gabriel Murphy and I am with CommuniTech.Net, a rapidly growing >Internet Presence Provider. I am writing you today to inquire if you might >be interested in selling the Class B you have registered through the American >Registry of Internet Numbers. > >As you may or may not know, ARIN is no longer issuing Class B blocks. Our >business is growing quickly and the availability of IP Addresses is fundamental >to our business going forward. > >If you are interested in selling the Class B you have through ARIN, please >contact me personally at gabriel(a)communitech.net. We realize that an outright >purchase of a Class B would be expensive, but it is extremly important to the >future of our business. We are quite serious about this inquiry and hope to >hear from you soon. > > >Best Regards, > > >Gabriel Murphy >CommuniTech.Net Inc. >http://www.communitech.net >

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Re: Sprint's filtering
by Scott Bradner 08 Oct '98

08 Oct '98

it was said > I have been told that ARIN did make an effort to have Sprint remove its > filter so that ARIN could allocate blocks longer than /19, but I have not > confirmed this with ARIN. this is not true - ARIN has not, nor will it, ask an ISP to add or delete any filters - dealing with filters is far outside of ARIN's mission ARIN has discussed changing alocation policies but this did not include asking Sprint or anyone to change their policies before I get asked- changes to ARIN policies are posted on the ARIN web site Scott

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