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MAE NY?
by Brian Horvitz 07 Oct '98

07 Oct '98

Just curious to know who's exchanging traffic at MAE NY? If I am to believe what I see at www.mae.net, there's only two networks connected there, which would make it a pretty ineffective exchange point. With Pennsauken closed to new connections (anyone got extra rack space there?), I'd like to investigate an alternative for that area. Brian --- Brian Horvitz Shore.Net Network Engineering

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Re: MAE NY?
by Richard Parker 07 Oct '98

07 Oct '98

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Jay Adelson wrote: > Too cold? Are you serious? Man, I just can't win. > > Our readouts were reporting 68-71F... Somebody tell me what this needs > to be set to for our exchange facilities. They're all pretty insanely > big, so this is something to do ONCE. Nows the time, we're deep into > engineering HVAC for the first fifteen. Oh, and I'd love to hear > humidity suggestions as well. Well, lets see... 1) Largest minimum operating RH for a communications device that I happen to have the specs for is 20%. 2) Smallest maximum operating RH for a communications device that I happen to have the specs for is 80%. 3) Static electricity is minimized when RH is at or above 35%. 4) RH below 25% can cause embrittlement of hygroscopic materials such as paper. 5) RH above 65% can cause mold growth and metal corrosion. 6) Humans are most comfortable when the RH is between 20% and 60%. 7) RH above 50% in cold weather can cause condensation inside of outer walls. So... perhaps a target humidity somewhere between 35% and 45% would be ideal. -Richard

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Re: The number of the AS
by shields＠crosslink.net 07 Oct '98

07 Oct '98

In article <19981005230954.B3137(a)cp.net>, "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk(a)cp.net> wrote: > Not to be confused with the AS that shall forever live in > infamy, 7007. Anybody still filtering that one? Also 3830 (when it was reused). -- Shields, CrossLink.

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Co-Lo for a customer -- OFF TOPIC
by Derek Elder 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

I need to get co-lo pricing and specifications for a customer. I need co-location space (preferably from the same folks) in: NYC Chicago San Francisco Minimum requirement at each co-lo is OC-48 redundant LEC connectivity. Must have carrier class HVAC (CO quality) and must be able to scale to 5 or more racks in 12 months. When you contact me, I'll also need to know how much backup capacity you have and what the backing is (UPS type, diesel, etc.). Any other info that you can provide, i.e., access, average temp/humidity, etc. would be very helpful. Over and out. D E R E K E L D E R Senior Engineer, CCIE# 4048 __________________________________________ USWeb Corporation http://www.usweb.com/ Network Solutions Practice 733 Third Avenue 7th Floor New York, NY 10017 ph: 212 301 2200 fax: 212 301 2201 mailto:delder@usweb.com USWeb - A Strategic Partner for the Information Age

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NDAs
by Jennifer DePalma 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

Since a thread related to nondisclosure agreements has been brought up and I have been mulling over this topic lately, I'd like to know your opinions on whether or not the practice of requiring NDAs will continue. Are free market pressures working against such a model? Can secretive pricing really be sustained over a long period of time? It makes me think of when market economies first began. A lot of haggling took place, and buyers didn't always know what prices others were buying at. Some might buy the chicken for a quart of milk, others might have to hand over a whole cow. As the market matured, fixed pricing became more the rule of thumb for efficiency and expediency reasons. Bargaining still takes place but mainly with small "mom-and-pop" sort of shops and in more informal markets. A haggled down discount at Barnes & Nobles seems inconceivable. (Of course, a customer can haggle down a car salesman--or at least think he is--and individual car lots might receive periodic discounts from the factories...) An effective marketing strategy for a competitor of WorldCom might be open pricing. Am I right? Wrong? I'd like to see pricing become open, but I don't want the government outlawing NDAs. Perhaps NDAs are a market experiment that won't hold up? Thanks, Jennifer At 10:41 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >last i checked www.spicegirls.com wasn't on the exodus network. > >i think it's on netkonect.net > >whitehouse.com is on exodus though... ;) > >as per the contractual issues, all they told lowly engineers like myself >was that we could disclose publicly the fact: > >1. we have reached a solution with GTEi >2. it includes expanding ds3's with them >3. we're not buying transit or paying for peering >4. we're like friends and stuff now... ;) > >i'm sure when bowman gets up, he'll have something to say. he probably has >a LOT more insight into #3 > >-dhiraj >sr. systems engineer, exodus communications > > > >On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Adam Rothschild wrote: > >> > > Hmm.. not to start another massive thread here, but I wonder if this means >> > > that Exodus is now paying for transit and/or peering? >> > >> > Disclosure of this information is probally violation of >> > the agreement, so unless you work for one of them, or know >> > someone who does, you won't find out. >> >> Indeed. Point well taken. >> >> Still, I have a funny feeling that GTEI/BBN is being compensated royally >> for this. This would have never happened otherwise, methinks. >> >> I doubt Mr. Curran is doing this simply to allow himself and his customers >> to continue accesssing quality Exodus-hosted content, such as the Spice >> Girls and whitehouse.com. Then again, I could be mistaken! :-) >> >> > > ***************************** After September 25, please respond to jdepalma(a)alumni.princeton.edu Jennifer A. DePalma 202.789.5226 202.842.3490 (fax) Research Analyst Telecommunications and Technology Studies Cato Institute 1000 Massachusetts Ave., NW Washington, DC 20001

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Re: MAE NY?
by David Lesher 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

It sounds to me as if what's needed is MAE-Byrd_Station. A further advantage is the limited number of backhoes on the continent. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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MAE NY?
by David Graves 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

I know that people continually talk about no space at 60 Hudson -- but does anyone have a human contact of the folks who run 60 Hudson, where I could verify this? -- David Graves Senior Systems Engineer, NYC Covad Communications 1-215-753-8952 Home Office 1-215-748-8628 Home/Cell

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Re: MAE NY?
by Chris Mauritz 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

Last I checked (it's been a couple of months) only one customer was connected to the 100mbit patch panel on the peering switch and everyone else was at 10mb. And yes, it does get rather hot in there....though not as bad as 60 Hudson in the summer. C Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism(a)raremedium.com -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> To: Reid Fishler <redhead(a)cloudy.lightning.net> Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 12:38 PM Subject: Re: MAE NY? >> As another member of the IIX, I just wanna chime in...It's nice to be able >> to exchange traffic without MFS. ;-) > >what's really nice is that they maintain mfs's high temperature standards >too. :-( > >randy

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As if to. weren't enough
by nanog＠FREDNET.NET 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

Look out -- if the .to TLD wasn't enough for you, then the next problem TLD could end it all. The same folks who are running the .to TLD appear to have the .tv TLD too. Didn't a few of us post something about preventing this from being a problem back in October 1995 on domain-policy? How much do you suppose NBC [might have] paid for the NBC.TV domain name? -fjb |ihnp4% nslookup -type=ns tv. |Server: ns.frednet.net |Address: 199.248.239.1 | |Non-authoritative answer: |tv nameserver = NS1.TDC.TO |tv nameserver = NS1.NERVESYS.COM | |Authoritative answers can be found from: |NS1.TDC.TO internet address = 206.86.247.250 |NS1.NERVESYS.COM internet address = 209.24.6.2 -- Fred J. Bourgeois, III FREDNET Corporation President & CEO Scotts Valley, CA fjb(a)frednet.net fjb(a)frednet.com Colorless Green Ideas Sleep Furiously, and so do I.... FREDNET is a registered service mark of FREDNET Corporation, Scotts Valley, CA.

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More on Exodus
by Adam Rothschild 06 Oct '98

06 Oct '98

Without engaging in mindless drivel, I would like to simply say this: I really do not appreciate the attempts of several Exodus staff members to intimidate me into silence. Needless to say, they have not worked (hence, this message ;-). So, give it up, guys (and gals). It's unethical, unprofessional, anti-First-Amendment, and just plain sickening! There is something to be said for the fact that Exodus has gone though such lengths, while failing to address their numerous problems. I think such behavior speaks against them louder than anything that can possibly be posted to this list. Regards, -Adam (speaking on behalf of myself only)

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