April 1997 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Re: What's going on?
by Sanjay Dani 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

>To remove a site from the internet [competitor, bad guy, good guy, enemy, >let your imagination run wild]... What is keeping someone from spamming >half a dozen or so sites (just enough to get noticed) with the line >"please visit site 'http://www.xyz.com' for more information." The same laws that apply to someone running a false advertisement on TV or newspaper should apply here. Any ISP would be willing to help law enforcement with appropriate warrants to track the identity of the spammer. Take that one step further: we need legislations to make spamming illegal, just like making crank telephone calls is. I've a feeling even the smallest ISP would rather cooperate with law enforcement to help track the identity of the "law-breaking" spammer than the messed up system today where the selp appointed anti-spammers feel good about heaping guilt on ISP's rather than actually punishing the spammer. It is upto us whether we want to extend the civilized system (that gives the state monopoly over judicial matters) that protects our physical property to our cyberspace property or continue to fantasize that every ISP must implement "my version of the AUP". Sanjay.

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WEB PAGE CORRECTION
by Pam Ciesla 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

The NANOG registration web page has been corrected. Sorry for the interuption. Pam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pam Ciesla 313-936-0172 - phone Merit Network, Inc. 313-647-3185 - fax University of Michigan 4251 Plymouth Road Bldg. I, Suite C Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re: Response from Cyber Promotions (fwd)
by MarkG 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

We hate SPAM more than anyone, We have a site at "http://usemail.net/NoSpam/ " to help us fight these #$%@ spammers feel free to copy this site and/or provide links..... Lets repay all their "caring" ......

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Sean Doran and ATM.
by Charles F. Crizer Jr. 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

I really hate to ask, but does anyone know how to find Sean Doran of Sprint infamy? I really need to follow up on some comments he made one day about ATM. If you do, please just e-mail me. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles F. Crizer Jr. KF4MNE Senior Systems Engineer ccrizer(a)dyncon.net Certified Novell Administrator http://www.cais.com/dyncon -------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1997 Charles F. Crizer Jr. All Rights Reserved.

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by William S. Duncanson 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

At 11:48 4/22/97 -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: > >We have been trying to get decent units from Ascend. > >Everything we get from them has some kind of hardware problem (ethernet >wise) that flakes out after about 7 days uptime. > >Email me if you want more specifics. Unfortunately, that's not suprising from Ascend. William S. Duncanson caesar(a)starkreality.com Artificial Intelligence stands no chance against Natural Stupidity.

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Re: cyberpromotions
by Sanjay Dani 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

>He can sign all of the deals that he wants. If he doesn't stop >his illegal tactics of theft of services, he will be out >of business -- we have contacted the local police department >after the 3rd or 4th time he used our mail relay -- they >believe that charges of theft of service will stick. We are >holding off civil suits against cyberpromotions and their clients >until criminal charges have been brought. Once he has been >charged with criminal theft of service, we will sue both cyber >promotions and their clients for damages. Great way to go! IMO, this is the best way to hit where it hurts and punish the real offender instead of arm-twisting or hacking into ISP's in the chain. >> And in Interactive Week today, I see Cyber Promotions just signed a >> three year deal with UUNet/Worldcom. Someone was quoted as saying they >> will have the capacity to "send 111 average-sized email messages per >> second". <sarcasm> I'm eager to see which of the anti-spam preachers will be the first to stop peering with and/or taking transit from UUnet (WCOM) in order to stay "clean". </sarcasm> Sanjay.

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Re: Response from Cyber Promotions (fwd)
by Darrell Fuhriman 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

Charles Sprickman <spork(a)inch.com> writes: > And in Interactive Week today, I see Cyber Promotions just signed a > three year deal with UUNet/Worldcom. Someone was quoted as saying they > will have the capacity to "send 111 average-sized email messages per > second". They're merely buying worldcom circuits, not IP service. Earlier today, I was bitching about Inter@ctive Week not following up on the story and simply believing what Cyber Promo put on their web page. Darrell

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cyberpromotions
by dgraves＠netreach.net 23 Apr '97

23 Apr '97

He can sign all of the deals that he wants. If he doesn't stop his illegal tactics of theft of services, he will be out of business -- we have contacted the local police department after the 3rd or 4th time he used our mail relay -- they believe that charges of theft of service will stick. We are holding off civil suits against cyberpromotions and their clients until criminal charges have been brought. Once he has been charged with criminal theft of service, we will sue both cyber promotions and their clients for damages. He speaks of first amendment rights -- he should pay more attention to laws regarding simple thievery. They will be his downfall. > From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Wed Apr 23 01:04:41 1997 > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:54:33 -0400 (EDT) > From: Charles Sprickman <spork(a)inch.com> > To: MarkG <ceo(a)netconcept.com> > Cc: Daniel Senie <dts(a)openroute.com>, nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Response from Cyber Promotions (fwd) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > And in Interactive Week today, I see Cyber Promotions just signed a > three year deal with UUNet/Worldcom. Someone was quoted as saying they > will have the capacity to "send 111 average-sized email messages per > second". > > Lovely. > > ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Charles Sprickman Internet Channel > INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 > spork(a)inch.com access(a)inch.com > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, MarkG wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:18:46 -0700 > >From: MarkG <ceo(a)netconcept.com> > >To: Daniel Senie <dts(a)openroute.com> > >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > >Subject: Re: Response from Cyber Promotions (fwd) > > > >We hate SPAM more than anyone, We have a site at "http://usemail.net/NoSpam/ > >" to help us fight these #$%@ spammers > >feel free to copy this site and/or provide links..... > > > >Lets repay all their "caring" ...... > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by Alex Rubenstein 22 Apr '97

22 Apr '97

I think AGIS does in Washington; check with them. At 08:09 AM 4/22/97 -0700, Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote: > >Has anybody used an Ascend GRF400 in a production environment? > >Dirk > >

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by Alex Rubenstein 22 Apr '97

22 Apr '97

whi4>mae-east.agis.net Trying mae-east.agis.net (192.41.177.145)... Open Ascend Embedded/OS 1.1 (washington5.agis.net) (ttyp1) Does this answer your question? At 02:57 PM 4/22/97 EDT, David Davis wrote: >In-fact an Ascend salesguy said something about MAE-EAST.agis.net now being or shortly becoming a GRF-400. Can anyone lend credence to that claim? > >-Dave > >> >> >> I think AGIS does in Washington; check with them. >> >> >> At 08:09 AM 4/22/97 -0700, Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote: >> > >> >Has anybody used an Ascend GRF400 in a production environment? >> > >> >Dirk >> > >> > >> > >

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