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Re: Ascend GRF400
by Neil J. McRae 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

> > The interesting products now are the IP/SONET OC3c card and the OC12 card > that should turn up one day. They are available, we are using them at the moment and so far not a dropped packet. > > The attraction to us for buying this product is the BSDi OS used at the > management controller. We have somewhat unusual requirements, including our > own internal protocol for dynamic routing of dialups, and the availability > of the BSDi environment behind Ascends new CLI makes this one of the few > real routers that works off the shelf. > Indeed, using gated on this box rules. > We currently have one in house, and once some SNMP issues are fixed we will > be able to complete testing and then maybe buy some. > > As to who is using them in a production environment, I understand from > colleagues that a recent "supercore" upgrade that PSI did in NY (where we > peer with them) was to roll out one or more GRF's. This is of course > unconfirmed rumour until someone from PSInet speaks up. > Cool. Neil. -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking. D O M I N O neil(a)DOMINO.ORG NetBSD/sparc - 100% SpF (Solaris protection Factor) Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">Computer!</A>

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NSF claiming ownership to com/org/net
by Hank Nussbacher 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

>It's as if some bidder had won a five-year contract to run a restaurant >overlooking the Grand Canyon, a restaurant that had been previously been >run by a previous contractor ... and at the end of the five-year contract, >the contractor announces that it plans to stay forever and not pay rent to >anyone ever again. Hank Nussbacher IAHC member

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by garyz＠savvis.com 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

Not exactly true, we have used a HSSI card from NetStar since October of last year. I know they have had a ethernet card after that but before Ascend. What really matters though is the software that runs the cards, and since Ascend has taken over we are seeing releases for upgrades and fixes coming alot faster. More people to throw at it.... Any way, we were a early adopter and have used all the cards that are available, from ethernet, fddi, hssi and atm. T1 card does not make allot of since to us, but it does to our customers and I know they are working on it as we have these discussion. Gary Zimmerman V.P. of Network Engineering Savvis Communications Corp. email: garyz(a)savvis.com http://www.savvis.com Office: 314.719.2423 Address: 7777 Bonhomme Suite 1000 St. Louis, MO 63105 ---------- > From: Deepak Jain <deepak(a)jain.com> > To: Tim Salo <salo(a)msc.edu> > Cc: jprovo(a)ma.ultranet.com; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Ascend GRF400 > Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 10:35 AM > > > (I do not know if this is true, but it is a guess). That the Netstar > product did the ATM routing extremely well. I believe that was its > market originally.. All of the other cards, the ether, the new T1 line > cards (hah-hah) maybe even the HSSI cards are all new since Ascend took > them over, to broaden their market. > > I hear their ATM interfaces are great, haven't played with them yet though. > > Just a thought, > > -Deepak. > > On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Tim Salo wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:12:43 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Joe Provo - Network Architect <jprovo(a)ma.ultranet.com> > > > To: neil(a)domino.org > > > Subject: Re: Ascend GRF400 > > > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > > > [...] > > > - the grf is not all of ascend. maybe they finally got things > > > right? > > > [...] > > > > It is probably useful to differentiate between Netstar, which was > > recently acquired by Ascend, and the rest of Ascend. The GigaRouter > > was developed by Netstar prior to its acquisition by Ascend. > > > > -tjs > >

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HOTEL REMINDER
by Pam Ciesla 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

You must register at the Hyatt by the cut-off date May 15 to get the conference rate of $129.00. Please remember to mention NANOG when registering. Hotel information is available on the nanog web page http://www.nanog.org/. Thanks Pam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pam Ciesla 313-936-0172 - phone Merit Network, Inc. 313-647-3185 - fax University of Michigan 4251 Plymouth Road Bldg. I, Suite C Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re: routes to hit 50,000 soon? or filter AS 7007....
by Mark Borchers 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

> AS7007 has a 1 800 number 1 800 918-0524 > > I cant get an answer > > They started advertising more secific routes for our CIDR block at > approx 7:45 PDT. > > They are connected to Sprintlink. > > Could someone pull the pug on these guys. > Preliminary info from Sprint (~12:30 EDT) was that AS7007 (FL Internet Exchange) was announcing the entire global routing table plus numerous more-specifics in their peering session with Sprint. Subsequently Sprint began appearing as the best-path to everywhere, seriously inconveniencing my lunch hour.

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RE: Ascend GRF400
by Peter Galbavy 25 Apr '97

25 Apr '97

On Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:36 PM, Deepak Jain [SMTP:deepak@jain.com] wrote: > (I do not know if this is true, but it is a guess). That the Netstar > product did the ATM routing extremely well. I believe that was its > market originally.. All of the other cards, the ether, the new T1 line > cards (hah-hah) maybe even the HSSI cards are all new since Ascend took > them over, to broaden their market. As an almost customer of Netstar, and a long time one from Ascend, I have watched the product get integrated into what it is today. The original point of these boxes was HIPPI. HIPPI over WAN. Hmm. Well, "I have no supercomputers", as they say - so I waited for other cards. When Netstar was acquired I remember that the cards available were HIPPI, HSSI, FDDI and ATM. Ethernet was on the way (100Mb was talked about, then switchable down to 10Mb) by end of 1996. The interesting products now are the IP/SONET OC3c card and the OC12 card that should turn up one day. The attraction to us for buying this product is the BSDi OS used at the management controller. We have somewhat unusual requirements, including our own internal protocol for dynamic routing of dialups, and the availability of the BSDi environment behind Ascends new CLI makes this one of the few real routers that works off the shelf. We currently have one in house, and once some SNMP issues are fixed we will be able to complete testing and then maybe buy some. As to who is using them in a production environment, I understand from colleagues that a recent "supercore" upgrade that PSI did in NY (where we peer with them) was to roll out one or more GRF's. This is of course unconfirmed rumour until someone from PSInet speaks up. Regards, -- Peter Galbavy Demon Internet Ltd http://www.demon.net/

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RE: "Which Internet?"
by Dave Van Allen 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

>-----Original Message----- >From: Robert E. Seastrom [SMTP:rs@bifrost.seastrom.com] >Sent: Monday, April 21, 1997 8:38 PM >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: "Which Internet?" > > >Whilst investigating why my routing table size suddenly jumped by 5k >routes, I discovered that Advantis (AS 2685 at MAE-E, origin AS 3082) >was leaking all sorts of more-specifics for various networks into the >bgp mesh. Yeah, I know I should be running bogon filters... > >Speaking of said filters, does anyone have a concise ACL that filters heard >routes for inappropriate announcements? That they would care to share? > >I have an old example that Sean Doran posted a long time ago that he admits >was overly paranoid. I'd like to see a few other examples if possible. It >would also probably help the group in general. > >TIA >Best regards, > >David Van Allen - You Tools Corporation / FASTNET(tm) >dave(a)fast.net (610) 289-1100 http://www.fast.net >FASTNET - PA/NJ/DE Internet Solutions >

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Route Server mailing lists
by Abha Ahuja 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

Hi All! In response to the discussion at the Route Server BOF during the last NANOG, we have created a mailing list (rs-discuss(a)merit.edu) to provide a forum for discussing route server issues. We hope to discuss the technology, pros and cons of the service, issues with the existing service, suggestions for improvement of the current route server service, etc. We hope that this will be a broad discussion with the internet community that will address non-specific RSng issues as well as specific RSng issues. To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)merit.edu with subscribe rs-discuss in the body of the message. We have also created a mailing list (rs-announce(a)merit.edu) for announcements of route server maintenance and outages. We recommend that all organizations peering with the route servers at the exchange points subscribe to this list. To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)merit.edu with subscribe rs-announce in the body of the message. Thanks! -abha ;) __________________________________________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- abha ahuja ahuja(a)merit.edu Merit Network, Inc.

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Re: Ascend GRF400
by Joe Provo - Network Architect 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

[snip] Warning. only the end of this is truly relevant to nanog, IMO. Clobber the message now if you want to avoid a mini-rant about ascend. I'm a right tool for the right job person myself, so I'm glad that people have found ascends to work for them, but I have to interrupt the love-in long enough to point out - the grf is not all of ascend. maybe they finally got things right? - ascend CPE equipment is constantly shipped with incorrect cables - ascend CPE equipment has poor design on the human-interface and the electrics. That is, people will, can and do plug the wrong cable into the wrong port which in turn fries the unit. They have a very smooth RMA process, which says something about how often it has to be used. - software-of-the-week releases that are rife with regression faults - nigh-abandonment of product with no warning: see software version 5.x for the p400 series? see it coming anytime soon? All that said, we have had good luck with scend on the higher-end gear, MAXes et al, so maybe the GRF is done right. But that's a co$tly "maybe". Lastly, the bit that's really relevant, how to the GRF-users automate things in their networks? I'll cast a hairy eyeball on claims that "cisco-free" is a good thing until I see other products that give high flexibility on route tuning and a method to programatically alter configs. Asking for vendors to have a common programatic interface is a bit much to ask, so I'll settle for sane, regexp-parsable files... Disclaim, disclam; affiliation, not representation; etc etc. Joe -- Joe Provo, Network Architect 800.763.8111 x3006 Network Operations Center Fax 508.229.2375 UltraNet Communications, Inc. <jprovo(a)ultra.net>

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FYI...
by Robert Mathews 24 Apr '97

24 Apr '97

F Y I .. Just thought of sharing this with you.. *************************************************************************** DIGITAL Licenses FDDI Full Duplex Technology to Cisco Provides Maximum Bandwidth and Investment Protection for Switched FDDI Networks MAYNARD, Mass., April 22, 1997 -- Digital Equipment Corporation (NYSE:DEC) and Cisco Systems, Inc. (NASDAQ: CSCO) today announced a licensing agreement for Digital's patented FDDI Full Duplex Technology (FFDT) to be used on Cisco's high-end routers. The agreement will enable Cisco high-end routers to maximize performance when connected to full duplex FDDI-capable devices, such as Digital's GIGAswitch/FDDI backbone switch. The agreement will also provide FDDI customers with a path encompassing future growth and capacity needs. [ Rest Deleted ]

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