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Re: filtering long prefixes
by kai＠netcom.com 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

As my company (belcom.net) as gotten the 206.82.160.0/22 network assignment as recently as _10_ days ago (from the Internic, after endless fights against the small brains that wouldn't want to see the usefulness of route aggregation; and yes: it's routed by Sprint), isn't the Internic committing some terrible crime against the public , err: network , here ? Now, would someone please explain in no more than 5-10 lines why the old class-A and class-B space is NOT hacked into smaller than /8 and /16 assignments, or at least shouldn't ? bye,Kai --- Kai Schlichting Internet Project Manager, BelCom, Inc. 515 Madison Ave Suite 2100 NY,NY 10022 212-705-9500 (voice) 212-755-0864 (fax) kai(a)belcom.net

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Re: Sprint violations
by Per Gregers Bilse 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

We have been filtering subnets of As (except 39) Bs and Cs for 5 months -- but outbound, not inbound (ie nobody behind us can announce these things except by special arrangement; we still hear other people's funny stuff). One problem we see is European offices/branches of US companies who want to use parts of their "company B" for a European connection, instead of using local provider space; filtering subnets is a good incentive for them to overcome that desire. It's clear that the Net needs fewer announcements and this is one way to go; and by filtering essentially "rogue" networks inbound (towards presumably interesting things), one likewise provides an incentive for better aggregation. However, I think Sprint's approach is rather heavy-handed and probably a toad counter-productive in the long run. I would consider it reasonable for Sprint to filter their own funny stuff (like we have done) for a considerable length of time before filtering other people's funny stuff; if for no other reason than proof of concept on home ground. Plus stones and glasshouses, etc. -- ====== ___ === Per G. Bilse, Mgr Network Operations Ctr ===== / / / __ ___ _/_ ==== EUnet Communications Services B.V. ==== /--- / / / / /__/ / ===== Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL === /___ /__/ / / /__ / ====== tel: +31 20 6233803, fax: +31 20 6224657 === ======= 24hr emergency number: +31 20 421 0865 === Connecting Europe since 1982 === http://www.EU.net; e-mail: bilse(a)EU.net

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filtering long prefixes
by Sean Doran 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

I was talking to a set of customers of ours today, some of whom were dealing with some long prefixes which were being heard originating within SprintLink and propagating to MCI. This caused me to audit how well our edge filtering was working, and to spend some time reworking the filters that match long prefixes. I shall post the text of the filter here tomorrowishly so that everyone can look at how gross it is, comments-and-all. Meanwhile, however, it seems correctly to implement this policy, which is now many months old: reject BGP announcements which: -- are an old-style classful A network with a mask longer than 8 bits except for exp39, 39.0.0.0/8, where we allow prefixes to be up to 24 bits long and the two operational IBM prefixes: 9.20.0.0/18 and 9.2.0.0/16. -- are an old-style classful B network with a mask longer than 16 bits -- are in the range of 206.0.0.0/8 to 239.0.0.0/8 with a mask longer than 18 bits -- has a mask longer than 24 bits [RSN we will also reject RFC1597 prefixes in this list; currently another mechanism is used to avoid hearing RFC1597 prefixes.] Note that we accept prefixes in the range of 192.0.0.0/8 - 205.0.0.0/8 (known cordially as The Swamp) as long as the prefix is at least 24 bits long. Also, this is not cast in concrete; there was some discussion of possibly allowing /19s at some point, and also some discussion about attacking the top several octets of The Swamp, by allowing only /23s or shorter. There has also been some talk about relaxing the maximum mask length on 1.0.0.0/8 - 126.0.0.0/8 to something a bit longer. I suspect all of this will be revisited at intervals, however, I believe that the consensus at the NANOG in Pittsburgh was that it'd be a good idea to post things like this here. Also, I note that we currently are not applying this list *outbound* or against customer BGP sessions. The reason for this is quite simple -- call it a (very) small incentive for other folks we peer with to apply the same kind of inbound filter against very long prefixes. I will admit that this is more a case of oversight than direct engineering terrorism, however, at some point we certainly will begin stopping the announcement of this type of long prefix to our external peers, and in the mean time it's useful to know that there really are people out there who notice /32s and the like floating around, and who complain about them. That's a good thing. Personally, I'd be grateful if people *did* toss long prefixes gotten from SprintLink (and elsewhere), so long as they tell people about it. Penultimately, this filter is currently deployed at all of SprintLink's edges, but not within ICM AS 1800. This is principally to allow for differential comparisons between what long prefixes the two networks see over the next short while. That makes it easier to see what we're filtering out on the SprintLink side, in hopes of catching botches and spending a couple of days firing off email to people responsible for announcing long prefixes, explaining why they should stop. Finally, the list of the prefixes affected by the filter, obtained by differential comparison between SL and ICM, is below. The classful subnets were noted in CIDRD; the stuff in 206/8 is of some interest to the very-newly-connected (connected, in fact, by people who probably didn't warn their customers of the very very very old announcements I made here and on CIDRD about precisely this filtering on 206/8, on 13 April, 23 June, 24 August, and other dates, and at NANOGs and IETFs galore) are interesting: many (more than 120) are covered by idempotent less-specific aggregates anyway, and others seem to be easily aggregatable, or just don't seem to go anywhere yet. 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FYI: EuropaNET migration
by M.H.Behringer＠dante.org.uk 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

EuropaNET Migration Starts Tomorrow You may have heard about the migration of EuropaNET to a new backbone. Basically, todays core, EMPB (AS 2043) will be replaced by a new core network, IBDNS (AS 5400). The transition will start tomorrow and hopefully finish mid next week. The final switch-off of the EMPB is on the 2nd Oct 95, 9:00 CET (GMT+1). Obviously we try to handle things such that the migration should be smooth. However, if you are filtering based on AS paths to some of the destinations below, you might have to change your filters. Generally, if you experience routing problems during this period to the ASes mentioned below, and in particular if the core ASes 1128, 2043, 5400 are involved, contact nmc(a)dante.org.uk. For non-European networks these changes should be invisible, except that some ASes will gradually not use the 1800 1804 1128 connection any more, but 690 1128 5400 *. This path is in use already today, so there should be no problems. Note also that a number of ASes mentioned below is not affected, because they have other arrangements for intercontinental capacity. The following ASes are involved in the migration: (This macro as-dante will be available on whois -h whois.ripe.net tomorrow.) *am: AS-DANTE *de: DANTE customers. *al: AS137 AS513 AS559 AS766 AS786 AS789 AS1103 AS1104 AS1125 *al: AS1128 AS1135 AS1213 AS1274 AS1275 AS1754 AS1888 AS1902 AS1922 *al: AS1930 AS1955 AS2012 AS2038 AS2060 AS2107 AS2111 AS2546 AS2547 *al: AS2592 AS2598 AS2602 AS2605 AS2607 AS2611 AS2614 AS2875 AS2879 *al: AS3208 AS3219 AS3230 AS3314 AS3323 AS3333 AS3346 AS5400 *al: AS-NORDUNET For more information please refer to the (very) detailed EuropaNET routing plan and other information (topology, ...) on: ftp://ftp.dante.net/pub/europanet/transition/* For more information, problems, questions, etc... contact: nmc(a)dante.org.uk (+44.1223.302992, fax: +44.1223.303005) Michael Behringer DANTE NMC

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Re: Sprint violations
by lear＠yeager.corp.sgi.com 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

Sean: This would pose dual homed people a problem. I think it's reasonable to charge for the special arrangement, as long as the charge is not completely contrived. Here is your opprotunity to really charge for announcements, which would add a bit of economics into the picture. -- Eliot Lear [lear(a)sgi.com]

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Sprint violations
by Mark Kent 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

>> Oh, btw, as of now we have received six queries from people who >> feel they may be affected by this filtering. Good, hopefully you'll get more. >> and one concerns 206.197.184/24, which >> I cannot get to from ICM AS 1800 or from the CIX That one is an on-demand net (with no associated route flap). >> Mark, could you follow up your exhortations to people to >> bombard the INSC et al I never asked them to bombard, I merely let the affected networks know what was happening. I'm sure this saved countless calls to various NOCs around the globe. You see, posting to NANOG is not exactly the way to spread the word about your policies. >> they include _exactly_ which prefixes they are announcing, >> and to where, so that we can really track and fix problems? What? Don't they get a person when they call your NOC? Can't the Sprint NOC people ask questions? But I will mention it now as I start to mail to your customers who are in 206/8 with prefixes of /19 or longer. >> Also, are you no longer with AGIS AS 4200? I am with AGIS AS4200, and Net99 AS3830, and MainStreet AS3720. But since this started at about 3am Pacific time I thought it best that I act from my own company. I am not acting on behalf of AGIS, but on behalf of everybody who followed the rules, satisfied the NIC criteria, and got allocated a reasonably sized chunk of space. >> It is particularly useful if you suggest that people contact >> their service providers That's what I'll do now with the "Sprint violations" list of nets I earlier posted. Thanks for the pointers, -mark

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Re: Sprint violations
by Sean Doran 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

Oh, btw, as of now we have received six queries from people who feel they may be affected by this filtering. Two were behind a provider which has now fixed up aggregation so as to announce shorter prefixes, and two did not indicate which prefixes were affected. One was from you, and one concerns 206.197.184/24, which I cannot get to from ICM AS 1800 or from the CIX or from a site behind AlterNet anyway... Mark, could you follow up your exhortations to people to bombard the INSC et al. with complaints by suggesting that they include _exactly_ which prefixes they are announcing, and to where, so that we can really track and fix problems? It is particularly useful if you suggest that people contact their service providers to see if they have plans to aggregate or do other workarounds such that no past connectivity between long prefixes in 206/8 and SprintLink AS 1239 breaks unnecessarily. Also, are you no longer with AGIS AS 4200? Sean.

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Re: Sprint violations
by Sean Doran 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

| So you are suggesting that we filter out the attached announcements | that are behind AS1239? | | Or to continue with the perfectly clear translations: | "I'm messing with your customers, so you can mess with mine." Yes, I hope that this is exactly what is done. If and when this happens, the prefixes that can be aggregated into something that will pass through inbound filters will be aggregated. Those that cannot will either a/ be SOL or b/ will require a special arrangement with everyone doing that type of filtering. Sean.

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Sprint violations
by Mark Kent 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

>> Also, I note that we currently are not applying this list >> *outbound* or against customer BGP sessions. The reason for this >> is quite simple -- call it a (very) small incentive for other folks >> we peer with to apply the same kind of inbound filter against very >> long prefixes. So you are suggesting that we filter out the attached announcements that are behind AS1239? Or to continue with the perfectly clear translations: "I'm messing with your customers, so you can mess with mine." -mark 206.15.224.0/23 206.24.100.0 206.40.96.0 206.40.97.0 206.40.98.0 206.40.99.0 206.41.128.0/20 206.41.192.0/19 206.43.48.0/20 206.43.128.0/19 206.47.2.0 206.47.3.0 206.47.4.0 206.47.12.0 206.47.14.0 206.47.17.0 206.47.18.0 206.47.19.0 206.47.20.0 206.47.21.0 206.47.22.0 206.47.40.0 206.47.41.0 206.47.42.0 206.47.43.0 206.47.45.0 206.47.46.0 206.47.47.0 206.47.80.0 206.47.81.0 206.47.84.0 206.47.85.0 206.47.87.0 206.47.88.0 206.47.89.0 206.47.93.0 206.47.94.0 206.47.95.0 206.47.96.0 206.47.104.0 206.47.106.0 206.48.57.0 206.48.58.0 206.48.59.0 206.48.60.0 206.48.73.0 206.48.112.0/21 206.48.120.0/21 206.48.128.0/19 206.53.96.0/21 206.55.64.0/22 206.56.254.0 206.64.100.0 206.71.32.0/20 206.72.64.0/22 206.80.32.0/19 206.80.64.0 206.80.65.0 206.80.66.0 206.80.67.0 206.80.68.0 206.80.69.0 206.80.70.0 206.80.71.0 206.82.160.0/22 206.108.252.0 206.108.253.0 206.108.254.0 206.194.192.0 206.195.32.0/19 206.195.64.0 206.196.96.0/19 206.197.104.0 206.197.121.0 206.197.130.0 206.197.138.0 206.197.190.0 206.197.207.0 206.201.208.0/20 206.206.0.0 206.215.224.0/19

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Merit GateD Consortium
by skh＠MERIT.EDU 21 Sep '95

21 Sep '95

Merit is now the Caretaker of the GateD Consortium. The Web page for Gated is available on: http://www.merit.edu/~gated. Versions 3.5.9, 3.5.10, 3.5.11 of gated are available via ftp ftp.gated.merit.edu in the net-research/gated directory or via Gopher from the gopher.gated.merit.edu in the Gated Distribution directory. Bugs can be reported to: gated(a)gated.merit.edu. We'd love to hear from people who discovered bugs in these version of gated. Any company who is a GateD consortium member can suscribe to a consoritum members mailing list (gated-members(a)gated.merit.edu.) Merit Staff will will answer any questions sent to the gated-members within a day. If you are a member, and would like to receive mail from that list please subscribe to gated-members-request(a)gated.merit.edu. Gated-people(a)merit.edu is for the exchange of information regarding GateD by those using GateD. If you interested in gated, I'd love to hear from you. Susan Hares Technical Contact Merit GateD Consortium skh(a)merit.edu

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