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Re: GigaRouter (Was Re: Cisco as Big Brother))
by Rob Liebschutz 20 Oct '96

20 Oct '96

> > From: Michael Dillon <michael(a)memra.com> > > On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > > > With cold-convenient-swappable IDE drawers that let even a > > kindergartener swap out an IDE hard drive and high quality 100mb hard > > drives available for like $50 > > Where on earth do you find new drives this small??? > > http://www.corpsys.com > > But apparently with their current stock of new drives you'll have to > settle for IBM 3.5" 170mb drives for $99 each ($89 qty 10). > > Now, if you don't mind refurbs, there are $65/$55 80mb drives and > $69/$59 131mb drives. I've dealt with these folks before and they're > righteous. > > Oh well, the $50 was a little optimistic, or maybe not if you're > buying a bunch of 'em... > > ---Rob > > > I have a hard time calling IDE drives reliable. At one time I used them in firewalls, and every now and then, tripwire would report random changed bits on the disk, and then the next time I ran tripwire, the problem would just go away. Now I use low end SCSI drives for these kind of applications cause I prefer to have all my data parity checked. Rob

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GigaRouter Latency?
by Deepak Jain 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

Now I know a lot of people are going to jump on me for raising the latency question here, and I don't want to inflate its importance at all. Latency in a router is only somewhat important for most network applications but on some applications it has a very serious effect. If anyone would like to flame me, please do it in private email and I am sure I will find the time to get back to you :). How does the latency through a Gigarouter compare to the latency of say a NetBSD or FreeBSD box with (say) FDDI interfaces. [Ignoring the fact that most BSD boxes are running on a single PCI bus]. Basically I am curious how much advantage/disadvantage one gets by going from a Cisco to a Gigarouter solution based on issues like latency. I am sure the difference we are talking about is very slight and <2ms total, I just want to get an idea and I don't trust most of the technical sales personnel I have talked to to get a straight answer. I am very familiar with the latency of BSD (typical) boxes and those of Cisco Routers. Thanks, -Deepak.

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Re: Cisco as Big Brother (Was Re: Cisco's AIP vs HSSI)
by Kent W. England 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

At 01:29 AM 10/16/96 -0500, Alan Hannan wrote: > > Although, I know lots of smart smart smart people who haven't. > One of them is looking for a job, and he's not looking at cisco. > (not me...) > > -alan > > > Alan; Somebody has to stay out of the cisco orbit to give the others a chance to figure it out. :-) Seriously, I started out with Proteon p4200 routers and I was one of the ones to talk Wellfleet into building a router (me and a hundred others) when what they wanted to sell were bridges. cisco came in third for the NEARnet startup. One of the reasons that cisco has earned its place as Number One is that, to my knowledge, cisco has never terminally screwed a client. No other contender can make that claim with me. I've been screwed by all of them, except cisco. They don't always give me what I want when I want it, but they don't do fundamentally bad things like walking away from the ISP market as Proteon did or wiping out their upper management team as Wellfleet did from time to time. cisco is no longer easy to work with in many respects, there is so much management for a large company. But in the early days, cisco was one of the first companies to turn their customer support inside out on the Net. You could (still can) talk to anyone in the company about almost anything. Not as easy as it was, but it can happen. But you can't get one engineer to hack something into the router code for you on just his say-so anymore. But once you could. I dunno maybe you still can, but I think you have to have megabucks behind you to do it. --Kent

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Re: The Cidr Report
by Hakan Hansson 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

At 12:53 1996-10-18 -0700, Tony Bates wrote: > > Tony Bates <tbates(a)cisco.com> writes: > * Even though I try to stay impartial, a couple of things are worthy of > * note here. AS455 (Telianet) may want to check a possible leak as an > * increase of 455 Classful routes seems a little hard to belive. Others >[..] >Oops - I meant AS3301 ...apologies... Tony, We will take care of this obvious leakage asap. Thanks, Hakan

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Re: Cyberpromo.com spam snuffed?
by root＠netreach.net 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

cyberpromo may have had their own site disconnected -- but they're still practicing their arrogant ways. They surreptiously used our system on Thursday to spam compuserve and aol, as well as prodigy. The plethora of bad email addresses brought our server to its knees for some time. We're planning on seeking damages and taking them to court if they don't compensate us for the trouble that they caused. I believe that we're also going to name the original client of cyberpromo as well -- a hardware house in california, as well as carnival cruises -- just to make the pain felt and spread to the business community the news of what's going on. Not sure on that one. If anyone else here was a victim of cyber, let me know. > From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Fri Oct 18 20:26:56 1996 > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:02:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Todd R. Stroup" <tstroup(a)tstroup.inhouse.compuserve.com> > To: pferguso(a)cisco.com > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Cyberpromo.com spam snuffed? > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > > It appears that the infamous cyberpromo site has been disconnected. > > > > - paul > > > > [snip] > > > [snip] > > Cyberpromo is a suspect in sending mail from a host with the name and > local domain of compuserve.com (the exact name of one of our mail > gateways) They were creating fakeing mail headers by actually haveing a > machine on their network with the same name and domain. I could have > thought of more creative ways to do this but this is what we saw... Since > were getting an influx of mail from upset individuals asking why > CompuServe was the host of all this spam. After we found out what > Cyberpromo was up to, we asked for cooperation from Sprint to pull the > plug. > > At this time (and to my knowledge), CompuServe has not yet made an effort > to engage in any legal action. I am unable to comment on anything > else at this time. > > Todd R. Stroup > Network Engineer - CompuServe > > >

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Re: hole punching reality check
by Bradley Dunn 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Randy Bush wrote: > after the move (as it should be): > P announces A'/L1 some block containing I's block, A > I announces A/L2 (where A is within A' & L2>L1) to P and other(s) > P and others announce A/L2 which they hear from I > B/24 is contained in A and is a static route to C and known internally > to P (note change from I) > P should announce B/24 > > after then P claims that the following must occur: > P will not do the last above, announce B/24 > I is being told to announce a *mess* of *pieces* of A (to 'get around' > B/24) to P and their other upstream(s) because P can not seem to > properly announce all of A', A, and B > P and others should announce the *many* *pieces* of A/L2 they hear > from I > P still announces A', which is now the only covering prefix for B/24, > thereby turning a /24 into many smallish announcements. > > And, given prefix length filters around the net, guess who eats it, I and > I's customers who now have many pieces of A as opposed to A. And this > gives one a suspicion why P and C don't want B/24 to be announced. But why > should I, I's customers, and the rest of the net pay for this? I should not. I should find a new P if P is going to play this game. P and C are lucky I is nice enough to give them time to renumber. If P continues to be belligerent about this, I should immediately assign B/24 to someone else. -BD

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Re: Cisco's AIP vs HSSI
by salo＠msc.edu 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

> Subject: Re: Cisco's AIP vs HSSI > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:54:21 -0500 (CDT) > From: alan(a)mindvision.com (Alan Hannan) > [...] > Agreed. On a side note, the HSSI card does not terminate in a > V.35, but rather in a HSSI physical connection, similar to a SCSI > physical termination. > [...] Oops. I was corrected on this three or four times. -tjs

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Why won't the MCI sales critters respond?
by Patrick J. Chicas 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

Greetings All, For the past 3 months I have left numerous messages with MCI.net folks in an effort to obtain point to point or frame relay backbone connectivity pricing and availability in Las Vegas. The only messages I have received in return, direct me to a local rep here in Hawaii who then directs me to a Las Vegas office that never returns my calls. Can anyone clue me in on a person or process that will answer my questions? Regards Patrick J. Chicas Email: pjc(a)unix.off-road.com

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Re: Cyberpromo.com spam snuffed?
by Todd R. Stroup 19 Oct '96

19 Oct '96

On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Paul Ferguson wrote: > It appears that the infamous cyberpromo site has been disconnected. > > - paul > > [snip] > [snip] Cyberpromo is a suspect in sending mail from a host with the name and local domain of compuserve.com (the exact name of one of our mail gateways) They were creating fakeing mail headers by actually haveing a machine on their network with the same name and domain. I could have thought of more creative ways to do this but this is what we saw... Since were getting an influx of mail from upset individuals asking why CompuServe was the host of all this spam. After we found out what Cyberpromo was up to, we asked for cooperation from Sprint to pull the plug. At this time (and to my knowledge), CompuServe has not yet made an effort to engage in any legal action. I am unable to comment on anything else at this time. Todd R. Stroup Network Engineer - CompuServe

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Re: GigaRouter (Was Re: Cisco as Big Brother))
by Paul Ferguson 18 Oct '96

18 Oct '96

At 12:55 AM 10/19/96 +0400, alex(a)relcom.eu.net wrote: >- I have 'gdc dump' in gated, and this dump answers to all my question. >Where is this command in IOS? How can I determine if Network-A is >redistribute from STATIC to RIP (or OSPF) and is it anounced to >the neighbour D? > Try the 'debug' command sometime. ;-) I've tried to avoid this thread, due to the inherent dangers of jumping into the middle of any cisco-bashing melee, but somehow just had to point out this nifty little command. - paul

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