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Anything happening on Sunday
by dorn＠atl.eni.net 09 Feb '97

09 Feb '97

For those of us who are here a bit early, is anything happening in or around the Hyatt on Sunday? Dorn Hetzel Epoch Networks

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Re: Unsubstantiated Rumor
by James R. Fisher 09 Feb '97

09 Feb '97

From: MX%"randy(a)psg.com" 9-FEB-1997 10:01:58.40 To: MX%"nanog(a)merit.edu" CC: Subj: Re: Unsubstantiated Rumor Return-Path: <owner-nanog(a)merit.edu> Received: from merit.edu by ISDMNL.WR.USGS.GOV (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Sun, 09 Feb 1997 10:01:52 PST Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by merit.edu (8.8.5/merit-2.0) with SMTP id MAA01011; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by merit.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:55:06 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by merit.edu (8.8.5/merit-2.0) id MAA00936 for nanog-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rip.psg.com (root(a)rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by merit.edu (8.8.5/merit-2.0) with SMTP id MAA00931 for <nanog(a)merit.edu>; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by rip.psg.com id m0vtdSv-000800C; Sun, 9 Feb 97 09:55 PST (Smail3.1.29.1#1) Message-ID: <m0vtdSv-000800C(a)rip.psg.com> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 97 09:55 PST From: randy(a)psg.com (Randy Bush) To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Unsubstantiated Rumor References: <01IF7FWWBUZMA23B63(a)OMEGA7.WR.USGS.GOV> <Pine.BSI.3.95q.970209124243.28620B-100000(a)cais2.cais.com> Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu My intention was not to generate discussion, but to raise the flag and point out the supposed deadline date and the mail address for comments. -jrf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think the proposed Access Tariff is a serious matter. But I think it might be better discussed elsewhere, as it is a business not an ops issue, and is likely to generate some volume for some time. randy

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slides available: TCP and HTTP presentations
by Curtis Villamizar 08 Feb '97

08 Feb '97

Hi, I've talked to Bill Norton about shuffling the schedule a bit and dropping the "ANS use of the IRR for aggregation" and adding the time to the presentation of TCP, and splitting it back into two as we had considered earlier. The "ANS use of the IRR for aggregation" will be presented at a later NANOG. Slides are available for your reading enjoyment for the presentations on TCP and HTTP that will be given. Curtis The slides for the now two separte talks are in the directory: ftp://engr.ans.net/pub/slides/nanog/feb-1997/ the filenames, sizes, and time allocated to the presentations are: tcp-congested.ps 346k 20 slides (15 minutes) tcp-http.ps 459k 27 slides (30 minutes) The first slides in each introduce the topic. These are: tcp-congested.ps: TCP Response Under Loss Conditions It is useful to understand TCP's behavior and in particular, TCP's behavior in the presence of loss. This may help dispell some of the myth regarding emminent collapse of the Internet. This also provides background needed to understand how an application's behavior can affect their own performance, why variations in TCP's algorithms can dramaticly affect performance and how network equipment can affect TCP's performance. tcp-http.ps: What can be done about HTTP small TCP flows? It's well known that HTTP comprises the majority of traffic for most Internet service providers. It is also well known that HTTP as practiced today creates a large number of small TCP flows which do not take advantage of TCP's congestion avoidance due to frequently spending most of their time in TCP slow start. This presentation demonstrates the effects of tuning browser response and benefits of HTTP 1.1 persistent connections. HTTP proxy and other possible improvements are mentioned.

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CASCADE IN BED WITH THE COMMIES!
by Jon Green 07 Feb '97

07 Feb '97

What do you think? Now we better boycott BOTH Bay and Cascade. ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- People's Republic of China Builds First Nationwide ATM Network Based on Cascade CBX 500 ATM Switches Major Chinese Win Underscores Growing Acceptance of Cascade ATM Solutions Westford, Mass. -- February 4, 1997 -- Cascade Communications Corp. (NASDAQ: CSCC) today announced it will provide the Chinese government with switches that will be used to build the country's first nationwide broadband digital network. [snip] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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.COM auto-caching DNS server
by Jim Fleming 07 Feb '97

07 Feb '97

Despite the IAHC debates, despite the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) investigation of the National Science Foundation (NSF) and despite the moves by the IANA to deploy two TRUE Root Name Servers at Network Solutions, Inc. we still have to focus on software development. As I see it, one of the next major projects on the horizon is the... ".COM auto-caching DNS server" This server will appear to be a standard TLD Name Server for the .COM TLD. The one difference will be that it will cache .COM registration information from the popular Root Name Servers and will log this information. ISPs will be able to use this server to support their subscribers but also to log interest in the various .COM domains. This information can be used by the ISP to bill the owners of the .COM domains for domain services. Just as the NSF and Network Solutions, Inc. have arbitrarily set their domain registration service fees at $50 per year, ISPs should be free to set whatever fees they feel are fair and represent the market. Large ISPs may be able to demand larger fees from .COM owners because they can claim that they have more users that they provide access to the DNS mapping services. As noted in the past, countries and state governments can set up .COM TLD Name Servers as effectively "mirrors" of the 9 popular servers controlled by NSI, and can charge .COM owners to register each year in their servers. With the proposed "COM auto-caching DNS server". -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Any Cancelations
by Scott Reubelt 06 Feb '97

06 Feb '97

I love to attend the meeting in S.F. Where do I find out about cancelations?? -- Scott F. Reubelt sreubelt(a)whistle.com (http://www.whistle.com)

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Attend workshop on obsessive-compulsive disorders
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 06 Feb '97

06 Feb '97

Take verbatim notes... :) More exchanges, A couple from in the US and one in Spain: ESPANIX - an exchange in Madrid Spain TTI - The Tucson Interconnect BNAP - Baltimore -- --bill

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RBOC's on the move in Washington State
by Doug Tooley 06 Feb '97

06 Feb '97

Hi all- Below are excerpts from two articles published the same day, Tuesday, Feb 4, in the Seattle paper, the post intelligencer. In sum they give a nice picture of telco/isp issues, including modem surcharge and metered access service charges, as they play out in the Seattle market. In the Business Section: State Seeks More Data on US West Overloads "State regulators yesterday told US West that it hadn't provided all the information about recent problems with call overloads in downtown Seattle and asked the utility to deliver more by next week." .... "Much of the problem is blaced on the increasing popularity of the Internet services such as America Online. ... Last week, the State asked the phone company for its explanation. US West responded, but yesterday regulators siad their answer wasn't good enough." Glenn Blackmon with the Washington Utilities and Telecommunications Commission was the drafter of the letter, addressed to US West VP Scott McClellan. ****** In the same paper, on the editorial page, Mr. McClellan has a 'response', printed in the form of an op-ed piece: Outdated Policies Driving Force Behind the Traffic Jam at America Online By Scott McClellan "The first response of many people reading the headlines about the massive digital traffic jams plaguing America Online has been to place the blame squarely at the of AOL management. A closer look reveals a second culprit - outdated policies that govern the nation's local telcommunications networks, which actually deliver computer traffic from customers to AOL and then along the internet." The piece than continues claiming that re-dials from AOL customers attempting to find an open modem caused a 60 percent increase in traffic between Seattle and Bellevue (a major local suburb in the Seattle area) over the course of two weeks. ****** -Douglas Tooley

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questions and answers about IAHC
by Paul A Vixie 06 Feb '97

06 Feb '97

Someone who shall remain nameless asked me a question in followup to the discussions of new domains that went by on NANOG earlier today. I think there's enough confusion on the topic that a more general answer will do some good; note that this is not a North American issue per se, but it did show up here earlier so here goes. Note that no answers on this subject can be considered authoritative unless they come from the IANA. > I seem to have lost sight of the tld debates, though now there > seems to be a bit of generally accepted minutiae that it will > happen and become common. > > Is this your opinion? Yes. > What do you think about Curran's volunteering to host zones? I think he was making the point that it's a technical problem, amenable to technical solutions, if not enough people see dollars in it and do it for the dollar (or ruble, or whatever) reason. And in this, he's right. > Why did Fleming respond that he'd have to "get in line" with > everyone else? Is there money to be made in hosting the zone? > Perhaps you've knowledge of a FAQ or web site with ifno? Fleming is a pirate. He, and a bunch of other flamers calling eachother names like "AlterNIC" and "Root-64", believe that the unmet public demand for new entries in "." has created an opportunity for a coup. I disagree. Of the ~40000 name servers listed in a *.COM "NS RR", ~0.01% answered with pirate data last time I surveyed them. The other ~99.99% said NXDOMAIN. I draw from this the conclusion that any pirated preuse of an IAHC-recommended gTLD has precisely zero market standing and will shortly disappear. > What does gTLD stand for? Generic Top Level Domain. We used to call them iTLD's ("international") but the IAHC decided, for several reasons, to call them gTLD's instead. > BIND won't required any modifications, assuming something like > .biz is introduced with .com, right? It's just 1's and 0's. As I've pointed out, BIND doesn't care if you put in a half million names in the "." zone. It's all hashing and malloc()'s. > What do you think we should be doing wrt this issue? I think you should read the final report shown on http://www.iahc.org/, and that you should decide whether your customers will be well served by a coherent, unified namespace whose management is open to public debate and to competitive (non-monopoly) registries. I very much think that they will be. A network with multiple incoherent allocation authorities, which is what the DNS pirates wanted, would utterly have failed. On the other hand a network with no clearly defined allocation mechanism for new names under "." was not serving anybody well, either.

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Community Space and Cyberspace (fwd)
by Doug Tooley 06 Feb '97

06 Feb '97

Hi all- The following conference is highly recommended for all who have a bit of activist in their blood. The conference is part of a national series put on by the Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility. (CPSR) For those folks not located in Seattle it makes a great excuse to visit... -Douglas Tooley ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please distribute to interested colleagues and appropriate lists. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Community Space & Cyberspace What's the Connection? http://www.scn.org/tech/diac-97 March 1 - 2, 1997, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm University of Washington HUB Seattle, WA USA Will cyberspace destroy society by turning us all into high tech couch potatoes? Or will it provide unprecented opportunities for community involvement? On March 1 and 2, 1997, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR) will present its sixth DIAC ("Directions and Implications of Advanced Computing") conference to help answer those questions. The theme is "Community Space and Cyberspace: What's the Connection?" and our aim is to challenge some of the cyber-spacy hype and bring the discussion back to earth to the communities we live in. Howard Rheingold, best-selling author of "The Virtual Community: Homesteading on the Electronic Frontier" will give the keynote address on March 1. Howard's presentation will be followed by panel discussions on economics, education, high-technology social mediation, and other topics. In these panels computer pioneers, activists, and other thinkers and doers will describe their experiences and ideas on what has changed, what may change, and, most importantly, what citizens can do to make the technology more responsive to community needs. Some of the Panelists include + Peter van den Besselaar, Social Science Informatics, University of Amsterdam and De Digitale Stad (the Digital City), Amsterdam + Amy Borgstrom, Executive Director, ACENET, OH + Amy Bruckman, Researcher, MIT Media Lab, Cambridge, MA + Steve Cisler, Senior Librarian, Apple Computer, Cupertino, CA + Jamie McClelland, Libraries for the Future, New York, NY + Peter Miller, Network Director, Community Technology Center's Network (CTCNet), Newton, MA + Kevin Rocap, California State University at Long Beach + Rolland Waters, CTO, RTIME, Inc. And many others! The second day, March 2, will feature workshops on a variety of topics presented by practitioners from the Pacific Northwest, Boston, Amsterdam, New York City, and many other places. Workshop Topics include + Libraries in Cyberspace + Community Voice Mail for Homeless Clients + Networking for Non-Profits + City Government Programs On-Line + Telecommunications and Educational Reform + On-Line Services: Forum for Collaboration or Technology of Isolation? + Safety in Cyberspace + Civil Liberties in Cyberspace + Navigating the Maze of Telecommunications Policy Changes and many many more. Some Quick Notes... Location: HUB Auditorium, University of Washington, Seattle. Time: On-site egistation opens at 8:00 AM; program begins at 9:00 and ends at 5:00 pm. Registration: $25 students & low income; $50 CPSR and co-sponsors; $75 other. Some scholarships are available. CPSR Benefit: Meet with conference attendees informally while enjoying snacks, drinks, and demos! Saturday, March 1, at Seattle's Speakeasy Cafe. $25 is the suggested donation and additional contributions gladly accepted to help CPSR organize programs like this in the future. Volunteers Wanted: For registration, workshop coordination, virtual conference, and outreach. (And registration is free for volunteers!) Workshops: We are still interested in seeing your workshop proposal. If you have expertise, experience, or concerns to share, please consider proposing a workshop. Please use the form on the web site. Accommodations: We have reserved a number of rooms at the Silver Cloud Inn near the University. Their phone number is 800-205-6940. Rooms are $66 for a single and $78 for a double. Rooms will not be held after the first week in February unless reservations have been made. Air Travel: United Airlines is the official airline for the conference. Please see the conference web site for more information Please join us in Seattle! DIAC-97 will be one of the most timely and significant conferences on Cyberspace themes. We expect an exciting dialogue between educators, librarians, government officials, journalists, and other community members. Please mark you calendars to attend and help us make "Community Space and Cyberspace: What's the Connection?" as important and inspirational as possible. For more information: Doug Schuler, douglas(a)scn.org, 206.634.0752 ********************************************************************** Aki Namioka, President, Seattle Community Network Association akin(a)scn.org ~~~~~ Support SCNA - Join Today! ~~~~~ www.scn.org ********************************************************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo(a)scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END

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